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Look up please for occupants or description of an address 16, Park place, Park Street, Luton in the years around 1915?
I’m looking for a ‘Ada Denton Bates’ in particular as she lived and had a child ‘Lester Spalding Kitchener Bates’ there.
Any help very much appreciated
John
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You have already asked for this information on this other post. https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812390.
You will be lucky to get electoral registers for the period during WW1. Also not many women would appear on them as they were not entitled to vote.
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Hi Rosie thanks for your help, this address I asked for is not the same as you have mentioned I asked for on that thread, as below;
Another person johnP kindly gave occupants for the below from the Luton year books 1911 and 1917 which is collected in 1916, I didn’t mention the electoral registers, I am just following all leads to find her.
Any help with the above address would be appreciated.
Thanks
John
Could someone help with a look up please for the following 2 addresses on the 1911 census and the inhabitants or what the addressee where then?
406, hitchin road, Luton
333, high town road, Luton.
Thank you
John
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Unfortunately, we are not allowed to post information from the 1911 census other than that which is available in the free indexes.
In 1918 electoral registers and later, that house was occupied by Alfred and Bertha Plowman.
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Park Place was a set of 16 addresses that were between 70 & 72 Park Street....
At #16 in the 1911 Luton Directory is Hugh Bunyan
At #16 in the 1917 Luton Directory is Mrs Bates !
Seems Luton Central Library local studies section has these....
Directories and Almanacs
• Luton directories, 1903 - 1975
• Bedfordshire directories, 1785 – 1940
• Bedfordshire directories on CD-ROM: 1830, 1847, 1864, 1869, 1877, 1890, 1898
• Luton News almanacs, 1900 - 1916
• Telephone directories, Luton and surrounding area, 1961 to date
Regards John
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Great find!
There were two Bunyan deaths in WW1 that could be looked at.
Herbert Bunyan, 1915, Sherwood Foresters and George Bunyan, 1914, Highland Light Infantry.
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Well done JP and Haywood 8), that supports my theory on the other thread that the two boys born in 1913 and 1915 were left Fatherless during the 1st world war, the Mother couldn't support them resulting in them being taken into care and being sent for adoption to Australia as Children.
Great work...I have searching for Ada after 1901 for a couple of days and got nothing...no marriage, death and she doesn't appear on the 1939 register that I could see so there must have been a name change ::)
Carol
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There were two Bunyan deaths in WW1 that could be looked at.
Herbert Bunyan, 1915, Sherwood Foresters and George Bunyan, 1914, Highland Light Infantry.
Those 2 boys were at that address in 1911, George age 21 & Herbert age 19, both privates in the Bedfordshire Regiment ....
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Hi Rosie thanks for your help, this address I asked for is not the same as you have mentioned I asked for on that thread, as below;
But you did ask on the other thread ;D
Much appreciated, thanks John
Looks like Hitchin Road may have been added to or altered perhaps?
Do you have anything on 16, Park place, Park Street, Luton around 1915? I’m looking for the same person Ada Denton Bates
ADDED Do you have Ada Denton Bates date of birth as that could help find her
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........ being taken into care and being sent for adoption to Australia as Children.
Leslie died in Sussex in 1984 and there is no sign of Albert in Australia using those middle names.
'Adoption' is a bit of a misnomer for the fate of the children who were sent to Australia.
Debra :)
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the Father of the boys may not be either of those two men but I thought there may be reports of their addresses.
There is a newspaper snippet dated 8th November 1917 which is a memorial of his death in November 1914. It is is from his family - mentions Father, Mother, brothers and sisters with a possible address 42 Cowper Street Luton. I can’t see it all as I don’t have a subscription and sometimes the extracts move from one article to another.
There is a report of Herbert’s death in 1915 with an address of Langley Road for the parents :-\
This would need checking in case it is not the same family.
I was trying to clarify the address.
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........ being taken into care and being sent for adoption to Australia as Children.
Leslie died in Sussex in 1984 and there is no sign of Albert in Australia using those middle names.
'Adoption' is a bit of a misnomer for the fate of the children who were sent to Australia.
Debra :)
My answer was based on information given by the poster on another thread, not an assumption.
Just trying to offer some explanation which has lead to the info being provided of Leslie's death in Sussex in 1984, but he could have returned from Australia.
Carol
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Wow! thanks to all for the input and investigations, some great results to digest!
A bit of background;
Leslie Spalding Bates ‘as the story goes’ went into care along with his brother Albert Spalding Kitchener Bates, not sure what age? when Ada could not support them, the Father/s never known, (when Leslie looked before his death he was sad to see no father recorded on birth cert)
At some point both came out of care, Leslie married a Patricia Gleeson and settled in Shoreham by Sea having a family.
It was thought Albert had been placed to emigrate to Australia although no records can be found of him or his Mother Ada at present? Name change looks a possibility too.
I have ordered certs;
Ada birth cert
Leslie marriage cert
Leslie death cert
Thanks again to all, I really appreciate it and could not have got this far without the help
John
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Park Place was a set of 16 addresses that were between 70 & 72 Park Street....
At #16 in the 1911 Luton Directory is Hugh Bunyan
At #16 in the 1917 Luton Directory is Mrs Bates !
Seems Luton Central Library local studies section has these....
Directories and Almanacs
• Luton directories, 1903 - 1975
• Bedfordshire directories, 1785 – 1940
• Bedfordshire directories on CD-ROM: 1830, 1847, 1864, 1869, 1877, 1890, 1898
• Luton News almanacs, 1900 - 1916
• Telephone directories, Luton and surrounding area, 1961 to date
Regards John
Fantastic, thanks for that John, just what I was hoping for.
Regards
John
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There is a report of Herbert’s death in 1915 with an address of Langley Road for the parents :-\
On checking Bedfordshire Electoral Registers available on Ancestry there is a Hugh & Eliza Bunyan at 84 Langley Road, Luton from 1919-1928 who are the parents of George Henry & Herbert Edward in 1911
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There is a report of Herbert’s death in 1915 with an address of Langley Road for the parents :-\
On checking Bedfordshire Electoral Registers available on Ancestry there is a Hugh & Eliza Bunyan at 84 Langley Road, Luton from 1919-1928 who are the parents of George Henry & Herbert Edward in 1911
I have seen them so they moved sometime between 1914-1919, I think.
There is an Annie Bunyan at 15 Park Street next door to the Plowmans, I posted earlier.
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In 1917 Luton Directory at 84 Langley Road is G Bunyan
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There is a newspaper snippet dated 8th November 1917 which is a memorial of his death in November 1914. It is is from his family - mentions Father, Mother, brothers and sisters with a possible address 42 Cowper Street Luton. I can’t see it all as I don’t have a subscription and sometimes the extracts move from one article to another.
In both 1911 & 1917 Luton Directories at 42 Cowper Street, Luton is Samuel Bunyan & as per the censuses also had sons Herbert & George.
There's a newspaper report in Luton Reporter of 30 Nov 1914 of the death of Private George Bunyan of Highland light Infantry, son of Mr & Mrs Samuel Bunyan of 42 Cowper Road... His widow is left with two young children.
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Is this right then?
Samuel and Maria Bunyan of Cowper Street had sons Herbert and George aged 19yrs and 15 yrs in 1901
Hugh and Eliza Bunyan (later of Park Place) had sons George and Herbert aged 12 yrs and 10 yrs in 1901.
It would be the second family who are of interest. There is also a daughter Annie in this family.
1901 1519/110/13
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Park Place was a set of 16 addresses that were between 70 & 72 Park Street....
At #16 in the 1911 Luton Directory is Hugh Bunyan
At #16 in the 1917 Luton Directory is Mrs Bates !
Went on a visit to Luton Library yesterday..... occupants of 16 Park Place, Park Street.
1910 John Bacchus
1911 Hugh Bunyan
1912 Hugh Bunyan
1913 - no directory
1914 ? Napp
1915 Frederick Perry he was at no.13 in 1916
1916 Mrs Bates
1917 Mrs Bates
1918 Mrs Bates
1919 directory was not in street order but no Mrs Bates listed **
Annie Bunyan was at no.15
1920-1922 no directories
1923 A Plowman
** Interestingly in 1919 an Ada Bates is listed at 7 Park Lane as is Esther Foster
They were both there again in 1923
Previously Esther Foster is listed there 1915-1918 & also in 1925
However as per Beds Electoral Registers, Ada Bates, Esther Foster & Emma Burton are there between 1918 & 1926
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Hi
Just in case it helps . . . . .
There may have been a 3rd brother
1922 QM Luton 3b 613 Kenneth R Bates (mmn Bates)
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1931 QJ Luton John T Wing married Florence N Bates ( b 1898 Luton )
I bet if someone looks that they can be found together living in the same dwelling in Luton.(I've not got time to check, yet)
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Hi
Just in case it helps . . . . .
There may have been a 3rd brother
1922 QM Luton 3b 613 Kenneth R Bates (mmn Bates)
AND
1931 QJ Luton John T Wing married Florence N Bates ( b 1898 Luton )
I bet if someone looks that they can be found together living in the same dwelling in Luton.(I've not got time to check, yet)
Are these people connected to Ada?
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Connected? ( as mentioned )
"There may have been a 3rd brother"
As in Ada may have had 3x boys
At moment, the third may have been "parked" with a relative of Ada. ( sister/cousin/etc? )
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Thanks, i didn’t understand.
I was thinking when I saw your post that Kenneth was the son of Florence :-\
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Suggest you get Kenneth's birth certificate to verify his mother's name. I reckon he is son of Florence as they are together in 1939 at Wick Hill, Luton.
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Johnp-b
We cannot quote 1939 ( which is why I didn't )
Florence/Ada/another(in the family)may have given birth to the boy.
Just pointing out a possibility
Ray
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Johnp-b
We cannot quote 1939 ( which is why I didn't )
Florence/Ada/another(in the family)may have given birth to the boy.
Just pointing out a possibility
Ray
I think people do quote from the free search -whether that is allowed or not.
However, if it helps, in the 1940s Kenneth Bates and the Wings are living at 5 Wick Hill.
Florence’s father, Percy is close by.
It looks like a different family but as you say, it was a possibility.
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Hi
Ada D Bates parents would seem to be Tom Bates and Isabella Denton
Ada 5m old at census
Isabella appears to have died 1882 (27y) and Tom/Thomas in 1890
John T W and Florence were at Wick Hill for an awful long time.
So happy to cross that couple off my list . . . . . .
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Do you have Ada Denton Bates date of birth as that could help find her
11 Oct 1880, according to a school record from 1884 (Elm, Wisbech)
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Thanks all for the input, really appreciate the help. I've put together all the information given and her history I have found below to try to hopefully help solve the mystery although I think it will take some time to find what happened to her.
1880 10th November born Elm, Cambridgeshire
1881 Friday Bridge, Elm, Cambridgeshire on census 5 months old
1882 Death of Mother Isabella Denton
1891 Friday Bridge, 2, Barracks, Friday Bridge, Elm, Cambridgeshire on census
1901 23, Gathorne Terrace, Potter Newton, Leeds - Servant
1901 Esther Foster single with 1 child living with widowed mother at 66 John St.
1905 Death of brother Francis John Bates and sister Emma Jane Bates
1911 Esther Foster boarder with 2 children living at 78 Church Street
1913 26th September - 406, Hitchin Road, Luton. Leslie Spalding Bates born.
1913 6th November - 333, High Town Road, Luton residence when registered.
1913 6th November - occupation - Theatre attendant when Leslie registered
1915 2nd June - 16, Park place, Park Street,Luton. Albert Spalding Kitchener Bates born
1915 12th July - occupation - Domestic servant when Albert birth registered
1915 - 7 Park Lane -Esther Foster
1916 - 16, Park place, Park Street,Luton - Mrs Bates
1916 - 7 Park Lane -Esther Foster
1917 - 16, Park place, Park Street,Luton - Mrs Bates
1917 - 7 Park Lane -Esther Foster
1918 - 16, Park place, Park Street,Luton - Mrs Bates
1918 - 7 Park Lane -Esther Foster
1919 - 7 Park Lane - Ada Bates, Emma Burton and Esther Foster
1920 - 7 Park Lane - Ada Bates, Emma Burton and Esther Foster
1921 - 7 Park Lane - Ada Bates, Emma Burton and Esther Foster
1922 - 7 Park Lane - Ada Bates, Emma Burton and Esther Foster
1923 - 7 Park Lane - Ada Bates, Emma Burton and Esther Foster
1924 - 7 Park Lane - Ada Bates, Emma Burton and Esther Foster
1925 - 7 Park Lane - Ada Bates, Emma Burton and Esther Foster
1926 - 7 Park Lane - Ada Bates, Emma Burton and Esther Foster
1932 - Death of Father Thomas Bates
1939 - Esther Foster as widow at 23 Bury Park Road, Luton