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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Derbyshire => England => Derbyshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: marp on Sunday 05 May 19 08:35 BST (UK)
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I was told recently about an ancestor's involvement in the Stockiness Riot. I have never heard of this although I presume it was one of the many incidents in Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire in the 19th century.
Any information would be helpful.
Thanks,
marp
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Possibly the Stockport Riots in 1852?
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Could it be a local name for say a Luddite riot at a stocking factory? Lots of stocking manufacture in the East Midlands.
Brie
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I am thinking now that my informant may have been referring to stockingers. I believe that stockingers were framework knitters and they were certainly involved in some of the riots and risings in the 19th century.
As the ancestor in question was a framework knitter (1775-1848) living all his life in Pentrich, Derbyshire, I am now thinking perhaps this referred to some of the unrest in Pentrich in 1811 and was a prelude to the Pentrich Rising of 1817.
It still raises the question (which is a family story passed down through the generations) that he heard a knocking on the door of his house with invitations to join the riot and rather than do that he hid in a grandfather clock. This last part has always been a problem to me regarding the size of a clock and the size of the man!! Perhaps the term stockingers has been turned into stockiness over the generations.
Thanks for your help. Any further suggestions appreciated!
marp
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Stockinger (plural Stockingers)
One who weaves stockings.
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"I was told recently about an ancestor's involvement in the Stockiness Riot."
Marp, are you willing to divulge your ancestors name?
Malky
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Yes, my ancestor was Jonathan Wright who was married to Ellen Brambley/Bramley Jonathan was baptised at Pentrich on 16 July 1775 and buried there 30 March 1848.
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I did a newspaper search for the phrase "stockingers riot" and the only hit that came up was an 1840 reference to stockingers riots in Nottingham in 1791.
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Hi
Because of his birth and residence ie Pentrich, feel sure it has to be The Pentrich Revolution your family story relates to. It is quite possible that locals referred to it as Stockinets Riot, which it was.
Just wondered if you were of the following site
http://www.spanglefish.com/pentrichrevolution/index.asp?pageid=293040
Spendlove
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Hi,
I think it likely that the riot was either connected to the Pentrich Revolution of 1817 or a rising of framework knitters in 1811 (Jonathon Wright was a framework knitter). Framework knitters made stockings and again, according the family stories, the stockingers walked to Nottingham from Pentrich to sell the stockings.
Thank you for the link. I had seen it before when searching for the Hunt family. In my family tree is Samuel Hunt who was tried at Derby assizes for high treason for his part in the Pentrich Revolution and transported to Australia. In fact the beginning of the Pentrich Revolution was when the ringleaders met at Hunt's barn in South Wingfield.
Thank you again, marp
However, as I was looking for the Hunt family I did not notice the Bramley/Brambley connections also. So, thank you for that.
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Hi
It is unlikely, but not impossible, for the Pentrich frame work knitters to walk to Nottingham to sell their stockings. However the system was that Bag Men distributed the Cotton or Silk to the FWK’s and then collected the finished hose and paid them for their work.
This system was used until the factory system came into operation, an example is the Ward family of Belper, long established as hosiers, who in 1801 built premises and installed stocking frames and employed FWKs they also rented out machines to FWK in various villages. The cost of renting these frames plus low payment to these out workers, caused a lot of hardship and led to the Pentrich uprising.
Frame work knitting frames were very expensive to purchase, the knitters also had to obtain the raw materials if they operated alone. Think it more likely that many in Pentrich and other places in Derbyshire were renting their frames, some from the Ward family, who in 1801 became Ward Sharpe & co, abt 1811 Ward, Brettle & Ward a company who would later become George Brettle & co.
Please note this is a very rough statement as to the history of FWK.
Spendlove
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Thank you for this Spendlove. Regarding the walk to Nottingham from Pentrich to sell stockings, I was repeating one of the many stories families pass down the generations. Sometimes, they become embellished over time. The story of Stockiness is another example.
I had an aunt who told me the story of the man who hid in a grandfather clock to evade those knocking on his door to ask him to join them in what she said was the Pentrich Revolution. Years later, I heard from a distant cousin, several times removed and found through a DNA match (with guess who), the same story but using the term the Stockiness Riot rather than Pentrich Rising/Revolution which led to my original posting here.
It is interesting to compare the factual accounts with the family stories which often have a grain of truth but the facts have been changed over the years of telling.
Thanks again, marp
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My family also has a story about an ancestor hiding from the Stockiners Riots in his grandfather clock, and the closest surname I have (his son) is Wright, so this Jonathan Wright is also my ancestor. His residence at Pentrich implies that the incident was the Pentrich Uprising of 1817. The rioters toured the area on the night of 9 June cajoling local men to join them in their doomed enterprise. Jonathan Wright wisely dodged them.
If Marp would like to get in touch, we might establish where our family trees converge.
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To Marp. Thank you for your reply that confirms we have the same ancestor, Jonathan Wright, who hid in his grandfather clock to avoid the Pentrich rioters in 1817. I too have a direct ancestry connection to his granddaughter Ellen Wright who married Oliver Stanley. I would like to discuss this further but as a new member of RootsChat, am finding it difficult to negotiate the pages. I seem to be barred from replying to your message of today, but will try. I am particularly intrigued by your mention of the Hunt of Hunts Barn fame.
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Wyken
You have to make 3 posts on the forums to be able to make private posts so just reply to this and I think you should then be able to send a private message to marp