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Title: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 09 May 19 15:41 BST (UK)
 Can anyone find these people, With this info it should be easy  but I`m stumped.  I can`t find then in 1861 or before their marriage.
Thanks.

18 October 1856
On the 14th ult, at Meivod, by the Rev, David Evans, Mr. Thomas Manley, of the Rosset, near Gresford, to Lucy Ann, only daughter of Daniel Luck, Esq, Meivod, near Welshpool.

The first time I find them is in 1871 after their marriage.
1871 Wrexham , there are younger children
Thomas Manley  42 b  Gresford
 Lucy Ann Manley  35 Clifton,  Bristol
 Caroline Ann Manley  12 b Wrexham
 Richd Wm Manley  11 b Wrexham
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 09 May 19 15:44 BST (UK)
There were some parts of the area  missing from the 1861, including  my great grandfather, his brother and step mother. It could be that they were on one of the missing pages  :-\
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 09 May 19 18:32 BST (UK)
See

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/census-for-england-wales-and-scotland-missing-pieces
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 09 May 19 19:18 BST (UK)
Helpful clue about her Clifton connection

1851 she's living in barracks in Trowbridge, WIltshire. Ancestry has mixed up all the people so has ascribed her the wrong father. Ref is  HO107, 1840, 601,  56

Family group

Danl Luck - 50. Troop sgt major b Asply Guise, Bedfordshire
Catherine Luck - 50.  Wife b Woolwich
Lucy Luck - 17 b Clifton
Robert Luck -  10 b Norwich

An obit for Thomas Manley refers to Lucy's uncle, General Sir George Luck. Quite an eminent soldier, who was overseas at times. Another of his nieces, a Miss Pole, spent time with him in India
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 09 May 19 19:24 BST (UK)
Daniel has records in the Chelsea Pensioner files on Fold3 (can;t access myself) He was in the 8th Regt Of Hussars.

The India based George Luck may be the next generation, as he was in his 60s in the early 1900s
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 09 May 19 19:34 BST (UK)
The son Robert Daniel Luck died in 1870 - death registered in Wrexham. Probate has him as provisions dealer and grocer of Queen ST, Wrexham

His baptism lists his mother as Caroline
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 09 May 19 19:38 BST (UK)
Think mother is Caroline not Catherine. There's a Caroline Luck b Woolwich c1796 in Wrexham on the 1871 census  (as Caroline Suck on Ancestry)
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 09 May 19 19:44 BST (UK)
Thanks a lot,  a great help.
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 09 May 19 19:47 BST (UK)
Lucy Ann Luck bp.16/2/1834 Clifton, dau. of Daniel and Caroline.

Annette
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 09 May 19 19:50 BST (UK)
Thomas Manley b.15/5/1828, bp.8/6/1828 Gresford, Denbighshire, son of Richard , miller, and Mary.

Annette
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 09 May 19 20:21 BST (UK)
Hi just to add Robert Daniel Luck was buried 31st December 1870 Brymbo aged 29 his address Wrexham ??
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 09 May 19 20:26 BST (UK)
Caroline Luck age 82
Burial date   15 Jul 1878
Place   Wrexham
Parish   Brymbo
County   Denbighshire Wales
Record set   Denbighshire Burials

Daniel Luck age 65
Burial date   03 May 1865
Place   Wrexham
Parish   Brymbo
County   Denbighshire Wales
Record set   Denbighshire Burials

Daniel Luck
Birth year   1801
Birth Aspley Guire Woburn Bedfordshire
Service number   211
Rank   TROOP SERGEANT MAJOR
Regiment   8th Regt Of Hussars
Year   1825
Attestation date   24 Feb 1825
Attestation age years   24
Discharge corps   8th Regt Of Hussars
Discharge service number   211
Document type   Discharge
Record set   British Army Service Records

Details on F M P


Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 09 May 19 20:37 BST (UK)
The son Robert Daniel Luck died in 1870 - death registered in Wrexham. Probate has him as provisions dealer and grocer of Queen ST, Wrexham

His baptism lists his mother as Caroline

This looks like his marriage both father and sons occ publicans

Robert Daniel Luck f/a
Marriage 24 Feb 1864   Rossett
Father    Daniel Luck
Spouse Alice Mercer Roberts
Spouse's father's John  Roberts
Record set   Denbighshire Marriages And Banns
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 09 May 19 20:43 BST (UK)
Richard Manley and Mary Woolrich married 2/5/1826 Gresford, Denbighshire

Can't find family on census although Richard and Mary had a number of children.

Annette
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 09 May 19 20:51 BST (UK)
Thomas Manley doesn't appear to have been a particularly successful businessman

For example
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4593686/4593695/90/  (scroll down a bit)

Also bankrupt in 1878

On the other hand he was a councillor
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 09 May 19 20:52 BST (UK)
Thomas   Manley Age 90
70 Alexander Road
Burial date   05 Mar 1919
Place   Wrexham
Parish   Brymbo Denbighshire

Lucy Ann Manley Age   80
70 Alexander Road
Burial date   09 Jun 1915
Place   Wrexham
Parish   Brymbo Denbighshire
Record set   Denbighshire Burials

Edit - this link has headstone

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133934920
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 09 May 19 20:56 BST (UK)
Thomas & Lucy 1911

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VD-8CY
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 09 May 19 20:57 BST (UK)
DISSOLUTION OF PARTNERSHIP.
T MANLEY, Wholesale and Retail WINE and SPIRIT MERCHANT, 26, High-street Wrexham, begs to thank his Friends and the Public generally, for their most Liberal support during the last five years he has been in business with  his Father-in-law, Mr Luck. And begs to state that he has now taken to the business on his own account, and trusts by supplying a Genuine Article, combined with strict attention to all orders entrusted to his care, to merit a continuance of their support.

Wrexham and Denbighshire Advertiser and Cheshire Shropshire and North Wales Register
7th November 1863
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 09 May 19 21:01 BST (UK)
Daniel Luck was landlord of the Fleece Inn, Hope Street, Wrexham in the 1860s. He gives up the licence in 1869
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 09 May 19 21:30 BST (UK)
Magdalen Luck bn 3rd Oct
Baptism 26 Dec 1832 Woolwich St Mary Magdalene, Greenwich
Father:   Daniel Luck Sgt 8th Hussars Mother:   Caroline
Abode Hedge Row

Magdalena Luck age 2
Death year   1835
Place   Heston
Dedication   St Leonard
Inscription   Sacred / to the memory of / MAGDALENA LUCK, daughter / of Color Sergt. Major LUCK / of the 8th Hussars / (of Hounslow Barracks) / in this Parish / who departed this life / May 19th 1835 / aged 2 years & 7 months / See Israel's gentle Shepperd Stands / with all enjoying Charmes / Hark how he Calls the tender Lambs / and folds them in his Armes / Permit them to a fold he Cries / nor scorn their humble name / for it was to bless such souls as these / the Lord of Angels came.
Monument type   Headstone with footstone
Memorial reference   B90
Position reference   Churchyard (Old Ground)
Title: Re: Thomas Manley and Lucy Ann Luck.
Post by: wilcoxon on Friday 10 May 19 11:57 BST (UK)
Thanks for all this extra information, very interesting.