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I am trying to confirm that Robert Copeman who died in North Sydney Australia in 1917 and who lived in Hornsby NSW is the same Robert Copeman born 1857 Norwich Norfolk England. I would like any information also re his means of getting to Australia.
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What other information is on his death certificate, and what other information have you about him?
Thanks
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Have you looked in Queensland State Archives for details?
(This man ?
Robt Copeman Age:25 Birth Year: about 1858
Ship Name: Rohilla
Port of Departure: London Port of Arrival: Brisbane
Arrival Date:13th October 1883)
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according to freebm records he was born 1858 in Norwich -
he married Jeanette Charik/ Charie in Hackney in june qtr 1879 - BUT - there is no birth registration for a Jeanette Charik / Charie - so this is a mistranscription
here he is in 1881 census - he is a scaffolder - in Leyton ,East London
Name Robert Copeman
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Low Leyton, Essex, England
Registration District West Ham
Residence Note Tanners Terr
Gender Male
Age 23
Marital Status Married
Occupation Builders Scaffolder
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1858
Birthplace Norwich, Norfolk, England
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Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Robert Copeman Head M 23 Norwich, Norfolk, England
Jeannette Copeman Wife F 21 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
so did Jeanette go with him on that ship Rohilla in 1883 ??
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according to freebm records he was born 1858 in Norwich -
he married Jeanette Charik/ Charie in Hackney in june qtr 1879 - BUT - there is no birth registration for a Jeanette Charik / Charie - so this is a mistranscription
Jeanettes father was Myer/Meyer/Mayer Charik a Commercial traveller - he does appear on census born Prussia ;D
Her birth was registered in Whitechapel 1858
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Thanks Rosie - couldn't find her - ( not awake yet ...lol ) :)
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I know the feeling :)
Father on marriage is Robert Copeman occ Barge man
Death of daughter
Deaths Sep 1882
Copeman Henrietta age 2
Norwich 4b 73
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Who are you researching?
Robert Copeman who died in North Sydney Australia in 1917.......or......
Robert Copeman born 1857 Norwich Norfolk England.
If it can be shown that they are not the same man, which Robert COPEMAN would you still be interested in.....the man born 1857 Norwich, England.....or the man who died 1917, NSW, Australia
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Thank you for responding to my query. If they are not the same Robert Copeman then the one I'm trying to trace back is the Robert Copeman who died 13/2/1917 aged 59 and who was born Norwich England. Father and Mother not known on death certificate. Robert was a labourer and his adds show up in the Sands Directories Sydney NSW giving his address as Hornsby. I'm not sure how to go from here I have nothing concrete.
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Was there a wife on the death cert?
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Can you please list all the information on the death certificate, 1917.
All of it is important so do not leave out anything.
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SMH 24 Feb 1917 p12
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15709895?
..thank you for kindness in recent bereavement.........sons Stanley and Percy on active service...
SMH 4 Jun 1942 p10
...death notice.....Northern Suburbs Cemetery.....
Mr and Mrs P COPEMAN, Naremburn.....mother
Mr and Mrs George DENT.....mother
Mr and Mrs Stanley COPEMAN.....mother 18 Armstrong St Crows Nest (this is one notice)
Mr and Mrs J HEATH
Mr and Mrs J WARD 10 Armstrong Street Crows Nest.....mother and grandmother
BDM NSW death
COPEMAN Alice Jane 11767/1942 Husband Augustus
80 yrs Crows Nest North Sydney
BDM NSW marriage
1369/1879 DENT Augustus marr. GLUE Alice Jane @ Sydney
BDM NSW birth
5549/1886 DENT Alice M H parents Augustus / Alice J @ Burwood
5743/1888 DENT George B P parents Augustus / Alice J @ Burwood
BDM NSW marriage
8/1905 DENT Alice M H marr. HEATH James M @ Sydney
BDM NSW death
23813/1962 HEATH Alice Maude H parents Augustus / Alice Jane @ Chatswood
See TROVE for divorce for Augustus DENT and Alice Jane.....1894
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Hi Jaejae,
Welcome to rootschat :)
There is a probate packet for Robert COPEMAN available at NSW state archives
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1745282
I can photograph this for you next time I am there. It should contain a death cert, a will and details of heirs and property, possessions. Occasionally there are other certs such as a marriage cert.
Ros
adding : I could also photograph the divorce file for the divorce that wivenhoe found for Augustus DENT and Alice Jane DENT https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/3282450
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I can post the death notices for Percy and Stanley (Robert's sons or step-sons?) and links to their WW1 service records if you don't have them Jaejae.
Ros
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Here is Alice Jane COPEMAN's death notice in 1942
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27943057
Ros"
adding : And here is Alice COPEMAN's funeral notices which Wivenhoe mentioned which refers to the DENT's, the HEATH's and the WARD's http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17821906
I am just catching up Wivenhoe :) - you think so fast :)