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Title: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: Jaejae40 on Friday 10 May 19 04:43 BST (UK)
I am trying to confirm that Robert Copeman who died in North Sydney Australia in 1917 and who lived in Hornsby NSW is the same Robert Copeman born 1857 Norwich Norfolk England. I would like any information also re his means of getting to Australia.
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: chempat on Friday 10 May 19 06:43 BST (UK)
What other information is on his death certificate, and what other information have you about him?

Thanks
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: chempat on Friday 10 May 19 06:50 BST (UK)
Have you looked in Queensland State Archives for details?
 (This man ?   
Robt Copeman   Age:25   Birth Year: about 1858
Ship Name: Rohilla
Port of Departure: London   Port of Arrival: Brisbane
Arrival Date:13th October 1883)
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: garstonite on Friday 10 May 19 07:12 BST (UK)
according to freebm records  he was born 1858 in Norwich -
he married Jeanette Charik/ Charie in Hackney in june qtr 1879 - BUT - there is no birth registration for a Jeanette Charik / Charie - so this is a mistranscription

here he is in 1881 census - he is a scaffolder - in Leyton ,East London

Name    Robert Copeman
Event Type    Census
Event Date    1881
Event Place    Low Leyton, Essex, England
Registration District    West Ham
Residence Note    Tanners Terr
Gender    Male
Age    23
Marital Status    Married
Occupation    Builders Scaffolder
Relationship to Head of Household    Head
Birth Year (Estimated)    1858
Birthplace    Norwich, Norfolk, England
..................................................

Household
   
Role
   
Sex
   
Age
   
Birthplace
Robert Copeman    Head    M    23    Norwich, Norfolk, England
Jeannette Copeman    Wife    F    21    Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
so did Jeanette go with him on that ship Rohilla in 1883 ??
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 10 May 19 08:13 BST (UK)
according to freebm records  he was born 1858 in Norwich -
he married Jeanette Charik/ Charie in Hackney in june qtr 1879 - BUT - there is no birth registration for a Jeanette Charik / Charie - so this is a mistranscription


Jeanettes father was Myer/Meyer/Mayer Charik a Commercial traveller - he does appear on census born Prussia   ;D

Her birth was registered in Whitechapel 1858
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: garstonite on Friday 10 May 19 08:24 BST (UK)
Thanks Rosie - couldn't find her - ( not awake yet ...lol ) :)
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 10 May 19 08:46 BST (UK)
I know the feeling  :)
Father on marriage is Robert Copeman occ Barge man

Death of daughter
Deaths Sep 1882   
Copeman    Henrietta    age 2   
Norwich    4b   73
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 10 May 19 10:49 BST (UK)


Who are you researching?

Robert Copeman who died in North Sydney Australia in 1917.......or......
Robert Copeman born 1857 Norwich Norfolk England.

If it can be shown that they are not the same man, which Robert COPEMAN would you still be interested in.....the man born 1857 Norwich, England.....or the man who died 1917, NSW, Australia
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: Jaejae40 on Monday 27 May 19 07:06 BST (UK)
Thank you for responding to my query. If they are not the same Robert Copeman then the one I'm trying to trace back is the Robert Copeman who died 13/2/1917 aged 59 and who was born Norwich England. Father and Mother not known on death certificate. Robert was a labourer and his adds show up in the Sands Directories Sydney NSW giving his address as Hornsby. I'm not sure how to go from here I have nothing concrete.
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 27 May 19 07:33 BST (UK)
Was there a wife on the death cert?
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: wivenhoe on Monday 27 May 19 08:11 BST (UK)

Can you please list all the information on the death certificate, 1917.

All of it is important so do not leave out anything.
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: wivenhoe on Monday 27 May 19 09:18 BST (UK)
SMH   24 Feb 1917 p12
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15709895?
..thank you for kindness in recent bereavement.........sons Stanley and Percy on active service...

SMH 4 Jun 1942 p10
...death notice.....Northern Suburbs Cemetery.....

Mr and Mrs P COPEMAN, Naremburn.....mother

Mr and Mrs George DENT.....mother

Mr and Mrs Stanley COPEMAN.....mother 18 Armstrong St Crows Nest  (this is one notice)

Mr and Mrs J HEATH
Mr and Mrs J WARD     10 Armstrong Street Crows Nest.....mother and grandmother   

BDM NSW death
COPEMAN  Alice Jane 11767/1942 Husband Augustus
80 yrs Crows Nest North Sydney

BDM NSW marriage
1369/1879 DENT   Augustus  marr. GLUE Alice Jane           @ Sydney

BDM NSW birth
5549/1886 DENT  Alice M H   parents Augustus / Alice J   @ Burwood
5743/1888 DENT  George B P  parents Augustus / Alice J   @ Burwood

BDM NSW marriage
8/1905 DENT Alice M H         marr. HEATH James M            @   Sydney

BDM NSW death
23813/1962  HEATH  Alice Maude H parents Augustus / Alice Jane  @ Chatswood

See TROVE for divorce for Augustus DENT and Alice Jane.....1894
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: rosball on Monday 27 May 19 10:17 BST (UK)
Hi Jaejae,

   Welcome to rootschat  :)

    There is a probate packet for Robert COPEMAN available at NSW state archives

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1745282

    I can photograph this for you next time I am there.  It should contain a death cert, a will and details of heirs and property, possessions.  Occasionally there are other certs such as a marriage cert.

   Ros

adding : I could also photograph the divorce file for the divorce that wivenhoe found for Augustus DENT and Alice  Jane DENT https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/3282450

Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: rosball on Monday 27 May 19 10:48 BST (UK)
I can post the death notices for Percy and Stanley (Robert's sons or step-sons?) and links to their WW1 service records if you don't have them Jaejae.

Ros
Title: Re: Help please Re Robert Copeman
Post by: rosball on Monday 27 May 19 10:53 BST (UK)
Here is Alice Jane COPEMAN's death notice in 1942
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27943057

Ros"

adding : And here is Alice COPEMAN's funeral notices which Wivenhoe mentioned which refers to the DENT's, the HEATH's  and the WARD's http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17821906

I am just catching up Wivenhoe  :) - you think so fast  :)