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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: Suemagoo on Monday 13 May 19 17:16 BST (UK)
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Can someone please advise this Canadian lady who is going around in circles, does the area of Tullygony, Rafeenan and Drumcoo (Jackson) fall under the Diocese of Clogher? I have googled but I'm getting myself so mixed up and going in circles. I found the baptism, marriage and death records for Clones Parish which was amazing however I am confused on the area. I found one birth record that could be my ancestor back in 1801 but at the time the parents were from Magherarney. Then of course they could have come from Scotland, settled in Co. Monaghan, but ahhhhhhh!!!!! Excuse my daftness.
Thank you!!
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There are a lot of Catholic parishes in a diocese, and the records at nli.ie are divided into parishes.
I think what you need to ask is what parish Tullygony, Rafeenan, and Drumgoo (Jackson) are in, not diocese.
The answer is harder to come up with. I didn't find Drumgoo (didn't look very hard) but Tullygony and Rafeenan are in the Civil parish of Tydavnet. There is a Catholic parish of Tydavnet as well, but the parish lines don't always match from civil to Catholic.
The map at nli.ie of Tydavnet Catholic parish is here, as you probably have found.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0319
this site locates the Townlands, here is Tullygony
https://www.townlands.ie/en/monaghan/monaghan/tehallan/tehallan/tullygony/
You might have to work it out on your own, compare maps, and decide.
That is my uninformed answer, it's not just you, it drives me crazy also. Someone with more knowledge of the area or Irish Catholic records will hopefully come along and clear it up for both of us.
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Use the link on the bottom of the NLI parish page to Irish Ancestors https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0319&parish=Tydavnet
Than use the link Click here for a listing of placenames in this parish
and it brings you to the Civil parish, click on that to get the list of townlands
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=1970&county=&civilparish=Tedavnet
If you want to see the Dioceses just click on the little map on the parish page on NLI changing it to Show Dioceses or Show Counties.
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Back to Irish Ancestors use the link to Placenames at the top of the page and using hallmark's spelling, you as such do the same thing in reverse and end up here https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0297
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Back to Irish Ancestors use the link to Placenames at the top of the page and using hallmark's spelling, you as such do the same thing in reverse and end up here https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0297
RC Parishes in Clogher Diocese
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Clogher+%28Diocese+of+Clogher%29
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Is this regarding the Graham family you asked about here?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812666.0
In that thread you mentioned a marriage registration in 1842 that gave the townlands of both Thomas Graham and Elizabeth Martin. Was it a civil registration?
Do you know what religion they were? Civil reg of Catholic marriages didn't start until c 1865. If they were not Catholic, you won't find them at nli.ie.
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Church of Ireland, records were from St Dympna's Church..... Civil Reg for non RC's only started 1845
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The photocopy of the marriage record for my ancestors came from PRONI-Belfast. It says Thomas Graham of Tullygony Parish of Tedavnet and Elizabeth Martin of Rafeenan Parish Tydavnet we’re married in this Church by licence with consent on this 21st day of October 1842 by me J. Young. This marriage was solemnized between Thomas Graham and Elizabeth Martin. In the presence of Andrew Martin and Thomas Morrow. What got me confused was seeing baptism records, marriage and death records going back to early 1800’s and further back to the 1700’s for Clones? It was my understanding before that the Church of Ireland didn’t have records that far back. I then found a Thomas Graham born 1801 in those records which would be the right year for my Thomas but not sure? Also Hallmark has advised that marriage records weren’t available until after 1845 but I got a record for 1842. I just don’t want to give up if there are records out there and I can’t find them but I also just seem to keep getting myself more confused.
Thanks everyone again for all the help. Maybe I should take a break for awhile and review my research for the millionth time. Have great week everyone and cheers👍🇨🇦🥴☘️
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The photocopy of the marriage record for my ancestors came from PRONI-Belfast. It says Thomas Graham of Tullygony Parish of Tedavnet and Elizabeth Martin of Rafeenan Parish Tydavnet we’re married in this Church by licence with consent on this 21st day of October 1842 by me J. Young. This marriage was solemnized between Thomas Graham and Elizabeth Martin. In the presence of Andrew Martin and Thomas Morrow. What got me confused was seeing baptism records, marriage and death records going back to early 1800’s and further back to the 1700’s for Clones? It was my understanding before that the Church of Ireland didn’t have records that far back. I then found a Thomas Graham born 1801 in those records which would be the right year for my Thomas but not sure? Also Hallmark has advised that marriage records weren’t available until after 1845 but I got a record for 1842. I just don’t want to give up if there are records out there and I can’t find them but I also just seem to keep getting myself more confused.
Thanks everyone again for all the help. Maybe I should take a break for awhile and review my research for the millionth time. Have great week everyone and cheers👍🇨🇦🥴☘️
No... ]Hallmark has advised that Civil Registrations of marriages weren’t available until after 1845 for non R.C's
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Clones CHURCH RECORDS go back to late 1600's and are a work of Art
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1801 Apr 10 GRAHAM Thomas son of John & Martha, Magherarney is record found!
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Pity there are no more details for the Marriage of Sarah Graham Tullygony
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Hallmark I agree those records from Clones are amazing and just lovely to read over.!! As always thank you for your time and effort and to everyone else as well.
Cheers👍🇨🇦
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As you can see the Diocese goes right across to West Coast!