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Title: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Monday 13 May 19 17:48 BST (UK)
Hi I'm looking for a marriage for a thomas Richards and a Margaret I don't know her last names there first child William was born in 1828.on the census they are from badger. Tong.shropshire they also have Edward.ann and Sarah
Sarah is one of my grandparents x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 13 May 19 18:09 BST (UK)
Hi if Sarah was born Sept qtr 1842 Shiffnal then her mothers maiden name was Allen.
Can locate Ann/ie as well mmn Allen, but Edward?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Monday 13 May 19 18:24 BST (UK)
H8 this is what I have for Edward x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 13 May 19 18:35 BST (UK)
H8 this is what I have for Edward x

Hi again, hard to read how old Edward is, but this is the family I have been working on in Badger:-

1841 census

Thomas Richards 35
Margaret 40
William 14
Annie 3
Edward 0
Census ref HO107/909/ 2/7 / 6

So looks to be a possible second marriage?
Keyboard86

PS when/where was Sarah born?
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Monday 13 May 19 18:42 BST (UK)
Does that mean William is from another marriage x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 13 May 19 18:45 BST (UK)
 :) With such a massive gap between first and second child possibly yes?
When/where was Sarah born?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Monday 13 May 19 18:48 BST (UK)
Sarah was born in trysul.in 1844/45 x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 13 May 19 18:59 BST (UK)
Sarah was born in trysul.in 1844/45 x
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OK so family have now moved to Staffordshire:-

Sarah Richards born 16th April 1844 baptism 19th May 1844 Trysull, All Saints Father Thomas Mother Margaret.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Monday 13 May 19 19:05 BST (UK)
I know Margaret married a William green after Thomas death the possible surnames for Margaret are Doran and Morris I'm so confused lol x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 13 May 19 19:08 BST (UK)
I know Margaret married a William green after Thomas death the possible surnames for Margaret are Doran and Morris I'm so confused lol x

 :) The mothers maiden name of Sarah born June qtr 1844 Wolverhampton was Doram.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 13 May 19 19:25 BST (UK)
Margaret Doran
Thomas Richards
Marriage  1 May 1837, Bridgnorth
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 13 May 19 19:25 BST (UK)
 :) Hi again, Margaret Doran married Thomas Richards 1st May 1837 Bridgnorth, St Mary Magdalene.
Keyboard86

 ;D Well I added the church!
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 13 May 19 19:30 BST (UK)
This may be relevant

William Doram
Baptism Date:    11 Nov 1827   Tong ,Shropshire
Mother:    Margaret Doram
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Monday 13 May 19 19:34 BST (UK)
Thank you so much so William took on his step dad's name x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Monday 13 May 19 19:37 BST (UK)
Hi again, if he continued to use Richards 1851 onwards.

A Margaret Doram was bapstised 9th May 1802 Tong Father James Mother Jane.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Monday 13 May 19 19:39 BST (UK)
Oh your fantastic I really appreciate everyone's help x :)
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 16:12 BST (UK)
 :) Hi again, glad to have helped you, what happened to family after these:-

1851 census

Margaret Richards 49 Widow b Tong
William 23 b Tong
Ann 12 b Worfield
Edward 10 b Badger
Sarah 7 b Trysull
Census ref HO107/2017/452/14

Marriage 4th April 1858 Bilingsley

William Green Batchelor Father William Taylor
Margarer Richards Widow Father James Doram
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Tuesday 14 May 19 16:22 BST (UK)
Hi I've found that they lived in romsley in bridgnorth  with Mr green and Edward was with her on the 1861 census with a child Sarah Ann Richards (grandchild) I'm not sure who she belongs to she's on the 1871 census born in 1863 I don't know if Edward married x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 16:36 BST (UK)
 :) Who is Mr Green?
Where were they living in 1861?
Census ref if possible!
Keyboard86

PS I see you have amended from Wolverley/Kinver.
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Tuesday 14 May 19 16:51 BST (UK)
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/SALRG9_1849_1852-0295?pid=19654018&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8767%26h%3D19654018%26tid%3D23520400%26pid%3D262105594697%26hid%3D1001607142086%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DtBL1675%26_phstart%3Ddefault%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue&treeid=23520400&personid=262105594697&hintid=1001607142086&usePUB=true&_phsrc=tBL1675&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Tuesday 14 May 19 16:51 BST (UK)
Quote from: breese73 im not sure ive done this right lol xllink=topic=812852.msg6734198#msg6734198 date=1557849068
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/SALRG9_1849_1852-0295?pid=19654018&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8767%26h%3D19654018%26tid%3D23520400%26pid%3D262105594697%26hid%3D1001607142086%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DtBL1675%26_phstart%3Ddefault%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue&treeid=23520400&personid=262105594697&hintid=1001607142086&usePUB=true&_phsrc=tBL1675&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 16:56 BST (UK)
 :) I do not think you are allowed to do that, 1871 yes found them in Romsley William 60 Margaret 69 Edward Richards 30 Stepson Sarah Ann Richards 8 Grandaughter
Census ref RG10/2744/28/4

The census ref is all we need ok
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 17:04 BST (UK)
Sarah Ann Richards was baptised 1st October 1862 Alveley Base born child of Sarah Richards Spinster abode Romsley
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Tuesday 14 May 19 17:04 BST (UK)
Oh ok I didn't know where do I find the reference and can I delete the links x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 17:09 BST (UK)
Oh ok I didn't know where do I find the reference and can I delete the links
Still looking for 1861 but just go through your links looking for 1861 RG09/Piece/Folio/Page and 1871 RG10 etc etc.
Sarah Ann baptism above
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 18:42 BST (UK)
Sarah Ann Richards was baptised 1st October 1862 Alveley Base born child of Sarah Richards Spinster abode Romsley
Keyboard86

Hi again, after this baptism, did Sarah Richards marry by banns an Isaiah Bofi? Locke 25th December 1862 Alveley?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Tuesday 14 May 19 18:57 BST (UK)
Hi yes that's right he is my 3 x grandad isiah they were a travelling family he used his mother's name Locke but his dad Elijah was a Smith of which I can't find has a Smith or his parents x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 19:16 BST (UK)
Hi again, so the couple had a son George Locke baptised 24th February 1867 Alveley Father Isaiah Bofi Locke occ Labourer Mother Sarah
Keyboard86

EDIT Enoch 1868 Matilda 1865 Thomas 1864 All Alveley
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Tuesday 14 May 19 19:24 BST (UK)
Hi yes and there son Elijah.beoufy Locke is my grandad but I would like to know where isiah was born and to who it gets confusing sometimes lol x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 19:30 BST (UK)
The family in 1871 census shows Isaiah Bofi Locke as Bofia Locke 32 with Sarah 26 in Romsley
Census ref RG10/2744/27/1
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Tuesday 14 May 19 19:33 BST (UK)
Yes lol I have no idea why he used those names it must have been a traveller thing x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 19:58 BST (UK)
 :) Hi not the sort of Traveller I normally encounter, was he the transcribed Bofine Lock 45 with Sarah 36 and family in 1881 if so he is a Shepherd?
Census ref RG11/2898/19/3
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Tuesday 14 May 19 20:02 BST (UK)
Hi They were romany gypsys on some census they are down has tinker gypsy.pan seller x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 20:05 BST (UK)
Hi They were romany gypsys on some census they are down has tinker gypsy.pan seller x

Well this one settled down to be a Labourer/Ag Lab/and now Shepherd by the looks of it going on children 1881?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Tuesday 14 May 19 20:08 BST (UK)
Yes they are my family I know my isiah and his son enock my Grandad also settled in a cottage in Cooley Mr Kidderminster x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 20:31 BST (UK)
 :) OK ages all over the place but are the family headed by a Beaufoy Locke 56 b Claverley in 1891 census, if so they have a daughter Anne 28 ( Not Sarah Ann ) b Alveley?
Census ref RG12/2312/30/8
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Tuesday 14 May 19 20:35 BST (UK)
Yes he's the head of the family yes I have Anne in my tree but for some reason I'm getting the same potentiel parents for him and the same for his wife lol x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 14 May 19 20:55 BST (UK)
 :) OK so that I do not have to supply what has already been located by yourself, give us your findings for the parents of Isaiah/Boufi/Beaufoy and Sarah?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 15 May 19 16:50 BST (UK)
Hi yes and there son Elijah.beoufy Locke is my grandad but I would like to know where isiah was born and to who it gets confusing sometimes lol x

 ??? You have already stated his father was Elijah and Isaiah Beaufoy Lock/Locke used the maiden name of his mother, his baptism was:-

Isaiah Beaufoy Smith 6th November 1835 Claverley Father Elijah occ Gypsy Mother Margaret address Shipley Common
Where/When did Elijah/Margaret marry?
You state you have "Anne" Lock/e  in your tree, when was she baptised.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Wednesday 15 May 19 19:02 BST (UK)
Hi I don't have a marriage for them I just have them on census her parents were Matthew and remembrace locke I have DNA matches for them on ancestry I've searched for a marriage but I haven't had any luck yet x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 15 May 19 19:15 BST (UK)
 :) So if you do not have Elijah/Margaret or Isaiah or any other siblings on census plus marriage, how do you know for certain Margaret was a Lock/e although looks likely.
And daughter "Anne" of Isaiah & Sarah in your tree?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 15 May 19 19:43 BST (UK)
Hi again, must have been a number of Elijah Smiths in the Shropshire area c 1840ish, as a Millborough Smith ( Daughter) was born 2nd July 1840 and baptised 4th July Worfield Father Elijah occ Gipsy Mother Maryann address Chesterton.
And a Matilda Smith born 26th April 1845 baptised 4th May Worfield Father occ Gipsy Mother Margery address Bamsley ( possibly Romsley )
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Wednesday 15 May 19 19:55 BST (UK)
Milborough is on the 1861 census also x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 15 May 19 19:59 BST (UK)
 :) Either someone can provide a transcription of the 1861 census or provide the census ref as I cannot locate the Smith family in 1861 on FindMyPast
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Wednesday 15 May 19 20:09 BST (UK)
Piece 1851.folio31.page 10 I don't know if you can get the 1861 census from that x
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 15 May 19 20:14 BST (UK)
Piece 1851.folio31.page 10 I don't know if you can get the 1861 census from that x

 :) Thanks for that but FindMyPast do not have that, just give me the family in 1861 the birth ages and places of birth.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: breese73 on Wednesday 15 May 19 20:21 BST (UK)
Living in a tent in romsley
Elijah Smith 1811
Margaret 1805
Dilarifa 1835
Ester 1837
Bofi 1836
Matilda 1846
Charity /grandaughter 1860
Bus 1848
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 15 May 19 20:34 BST (UK)
 :) Thank you, will come back to the baptism of Charity as where she was born looks interesting, Charity was baptised 16th February 1860 Claverley as Charity Lock Mother Delilah occ A Gypsey Woman.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 15 May 19 21:15 BST (UK)
 :) Really need help from fellow Rootschatters as to transcription of Claverley baptism 16th February 1860 of a Charity Lock mother Deliliah address begins with what looks like "Born on lands at Heathstreet belonging to"??
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 15 May 19 22:29 BST (UK)
Born on lands at Heathton  Belonging to Mr Bower (?) of the Black Lands, Bobbington

Added, Claverley, Bobbington and Heathton form three points of a triangle . They are only about 40 minutes walk from each other (according to Google)
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 15 May 19 23:22 BST (UK)
 :) Thank you so much for your help, the Dilarifa in 1861 could be the baptism of Delalipha Locke 3rd November 1833 Stockton Father Elijah Mother Margena address High-Way Stockton Occ Gypsies.
Keyboard86

PS and I still do not have a reply re the "Anne" in your tree, who were her parents?
Also cannot see as you state "Millborough" registered Sept qtr 1841 Bridgnorth as Millbrew mmn Lock on the 1861 you kindly sent?

Ester 1837 and Bus 1848 I cannot locate births?
Title: Re: Richards
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 19 May 19 18:52 BST (UK)
Hi again, in case these census returns help anybody and to get them off my pad:-

1881 census
Edward Richards 39 b Badger
Margaret Green 78 Widow/Mother b Tong
Sarah Ann Richards 18 Niece b Romsley
RG11/2790/8/3

1891 census
Beaufoy Locke 56 Claverley
Sarah 41? b Trysull?
Anne 28 b Alveley
Harriett 18 b Alveley
William 9 Grandson b Wolverley
Census ref RG12/2312/30/8

1901 Census
Beaufoy Lock 66 b Claverey
Sarah 57 b Trysull
Census ref RG13/2764/27/10

So was Sarah Ann Richards illegitimate daughter of Sarah Lock/e nee Richards Anne Locke in 1891?
And was William Locke 9 Grandson a son of Sarah Ann?
Keyboard86