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Title: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: gidget37 on Tuesday 14 May 19 00:34 BST (UK)
My gr gr grandfather James Porter came to Victoria,Australia   I believe 1854 on the ship Mooltan. In 1860 he married at age 29 to Ann Caffrey (Irish) in Albury, NSW. They had 6 children born in Wagga Wagga,NSW where James was a brick maker. He died in 1906 Wagga. His death cert has him born Shropshire, father Benjamin.His first born was Benjamin, his next Helen. I am searching for his family in Shropshire. All information after his arrival in Australia I already have. Im trying to go back to UK.
I found there were two Benjamin Porter born Shropshire. One in 1792 the other 1795. One had parents Edward and Ellen, the other James and Ann I think,
I followed up on one Benjamin and found he had son James etc who married in 1861 census. This cannot be our James Porter born 1833, because he married Ann Caffrey here in Albury, NSW. 20 May 1861. So I'm guessing ours is the other one. Please help find my James Porter.                       In criminal records etc, UK. 1828 Staffordshire,Benjamin Porter sentenced to 7 yrs and transportation for larceny and some other thing I cant read because ink has faded. I think it was his second offence. So did he get transported?
Did he return to UK? did he get reduced sentence? How do we follow him? Maybe he is our Benjamin.

It doesn't explain how James Porter b 1833 Shropshire could be his son but I'm wondering if James was cared for by his grandparents and that is why he named his first daughter Ellen. I am going to look at 1841 Census for Edward and Ellen next? long shot maybe.
Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 14 May 19 06:59 BST (UK)
if he was 29 when he married in 1860 - he would be born 1830-31 not 1833 ??  I am confused - where did you get the info he was born 1833 please ?
Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 14 May 19 08:14 BST (UK)
My gr gr grandfather James Porter came to Victoria,Australia   I believe 1854 on the ship Mooltan. In 1860 he married at age 29 to Ann Caffrey (Irish) in Albury, NSW. They had 6 children born in Wagga Wagga,NSW where James was a brick maker. He died in 1906 Wagga. His death cert has him born Shropshire, father Benjamin.His first born was Benjamin, his next Helen. I am searching for his family in Shropshire. All information after his arrival in Australia I already have. Im trying to go back to UK.
I found there were two Benjamin Porter born Shropshire. One in 1792 the other 1795. One had parents Edward and Ellen, the other James and Ann I think,
I followed up on one Benjamin and found he had son James etc who married in 1861 census. This cannot be our James Porter born 1833, because he married Ann Caffrey here in Albury, NSW. 20 May 1861. So I'm guessing ours is the other one. Please help find my James Porter.                       In criminal records etc, UK. 1828 Staffordshire,Benjamin Porter sentenced to 7 yrs and transportation for larceny and some other thing I cant read because ink has faded. I think it was his second offence. So did he get transported?
Did he return to UK? did he get reduced sentence? How do we follow him? Maybe he is our Benjamin.

 



I can't read it either as the text in the Link you provided is very faded....    ;D
Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 14 May 19 11:57 BST (UK)
Do you mean the bit after larceny or something else I can't see at all because it is faded  ;D

The bit after larceny reads "having been before committed"

The previous record of larceny was in 1824 imprisonment 12 months.  Although why it would say 12 months and not 1 year like the entries above is  :-\
Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 14 May 19 12:39 BST (UK)

Can you please list all the information on this marriage certificate -

BDM NSW
1104/1861 PORTER James       marr.    CAFFREY Anne   @ Albury
Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 14 May 19 12:44 BST (UK)
Can you please list all the information on this certificate -

BDM NSW death
14556/1906 PORTER  James   parents Benjamin / -       @ Wagga Wagga
Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: gidget37 on Tuesday 14 May 19 12:55 BST (UK)
Garstonite, His birth could be from 1831 /1833

Shipping was, Name: James Porter Estimated birth year: abt 1832 Age: 21 Arrival Date: 3 Aug 1853 Arrival Port: Geelong, Australia Departure Port: Southampton Ship: Mooltan Nationality: English and Welsh (Note Religion is Anglican and Not Roman Catholic)

Marriage was age 29 in May 1860

His death December 1906 he was age 74

His daughter, Ellen supplies 1833.

Looking at this it looks like 1832


Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 14 May 19 12:59 BST (UK)
Is this your James PORTER -

Wagga Wagga 8 Dec 1906   p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/142119626?
..obit for James PORTER....Docker Street aged 74 years.....family of thirteen...native of Shropshire......52 years in the states...two sons on hospital...tyhpoid......

From BDM NSW died 6 Dec 1906
Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: gidget37 on Tuesday 14 May 19 13:11 BST (UK)
Wivenhoe, The information on marriage is not much. He was a batchelor, brick maker from England age 29 yrs. She was Ann Caffrey spinster, house maid from Ireland aged 26 yrs They married in
Albury NSW, Australia.

It was not until I received his death cert that I knew his fathers name was Benjamin and that he was born in Shropshire. His eldest daughter, my gr grandmother supplied the information. Wagga Wagga records are not good, and I am told some went missing, as the river there often flooded maybe that is how they got lost. His wife Ann has no death records, and disappears after 1874 after the birth of their last child, daughter Mary Therese 1874. I believe she may have died in childbirth. Also even though details of James funeral and his son Robert, (both died and were buried in December 1906,) were detailed in the newspapers, there are no records of their burials in Wagga Wagga cemetery.  Nore any for Ann Porter. No record of marriage to his second wife Elizabeth either.

I have records for his life and those of his children and death of Elizabeth here in Australia, I am trying to go back to his roots in Shropshire.I do not have any more information on his family there.
Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 14 May 19 13:18 BST (UK)


If he married in 1860, and his last child was born in 1874......family of thirteen?...

If you do not see his wife, Annie, after 1874....who brought up the children.

I know that you want to find James PORTER in Shropshire, but a forum needs as much information as you have about his life in Australia.

What church did he marry in...who are the witnesses.
Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: gidget37 on Tuesday 14 May 19 13:19 BST (UK)
I am sorry I cant remember how to reply direct to those helping here, it is wuite a while since I was on RootsChat and things have changed. I am now in my 80's and my eyesight is not good. I would just like to get back to UK with the Porter branch of the family to give to my grandchildren to continue the searching. Thank you all.
Title: Re: James Porter born 1833 Shropshire
Post by: gidget37 on Tuesday 14 May 19 13:33 BST (UK)
Wivenhoe, James and Ann's eldest daughter Helen (Ellen) cared for his children, then his second wife Elizabeth who bore him more children. they had 5 children only 2 survived, John and Linda Lillian. Robert died 1906 2 days after his father. Another son died in France WW1.William Henry age 21. Another daughter died 1909. My gr grandmother was brought up catholic.

My cousin and I spent several days in Wagga a few years ago, looking at newspaper records,and going through the Wagga Wagga  cemetery, found a few more details of how James had his own brick making business near the bank of the river and built his own house, some of the buildings he worked on etc. But no detailed records. Elizabeth died as Elizabeth Porter in a Sydney suburb.