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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: blake1 on Tuesday 14 May 19 15:51 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am trying to find my family travelling back from Australia around 1850 - 60
There's plenty of information about people going to Australia but not the other way!!
Arthur Blake went to Adelaide Australia in 1849 and his future wife Sarah Agnes Gower went in 1850... I guess assisted, as a group of seamstresses.
They married in Adelaide and had a child Agnes Eliza Bradley in 1851. ( I have all the details.)
Sadly there are no family details on the marriage certificate & I am trying to find James father ( for over 25 years ) :-\
All three were back in the UK by 1863 as the child was christened in London.
The one little glimpse of light for me is when Agnes was christened, the following Children's father in the church book was Joseph Bradley and both families were living at the same address!!
This was Joseph's second marriage & I'm wondering if James was from the first marriage although I cannot find any earlier marriage!!
Sadly it's all tentative searches from now on.
Hope some kind soul can help in some way... to find them travelling back home.
Kind regards Ken Bradley.
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Agnes Eliza Bradley
Wondering why she has a different surname if she belonged to Arthur Blake?
Or was Bradley her married name?
I am trying to find James father
Do you mean Arthur? Confused sorry :-[
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I see the baptisms you refer to - 3 listed at the same address - all surname Bradley
Eliza Agnes - father James & Sarah
Charlotte - father Joseph George & Charlotte
Alice Mary - father Joseph George & Charlotte
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This was Joseph's second marriage & I'm wondering if James was from the first marriage although I cannot find any earlier marriage!!
Could this be him in 1841? I see from his marriage to Charlotte his father was Benjamin.
Josh Bradley 40
Susan 40
Susan 10
Benjamin 5
Ann 3
Sarah Jackson 15
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From FamilySearch
Name Joseph George Bradley
Spouse's Name Charlotte Blackmore
Event Date 25 May 1851
Event Place All Saints, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Father's Name Benjamin Bradley
Spouse's Father's Name William Blackmore
Are Arthur Blake and James Bradley the same person?
Also confused! ???
Bev
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Arthur Blake went to Adelaide Australia in 1849 and his future wife Sarah Agnes Gower went in 1850... I guess assisted, as a group of seamstresses.
They married in Adelaide and had a child Agnes Eliza Bradley in 1851
I can see that Sarah Agnes Gower married James Bradley in 1851. Who was Arthur Blake ?
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baptisms were 23 Oct 1853
1871 census 18 King John St, MEOT RG10/559 folio 36 pg 9
James Bradley head mar 45 mariner b. Devon, Tamerton
Sarah wife 39 b. Mile End
Eliza A dau 18 domestic servant b. Australia, Adalaide(sic)
James son 10 b. Stepney
Florence dau 7 b. Stepney
Marion A dau 3 b. Limehouse
George H son b. Stepney
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1861 98 Waterloo Road, Lambeth RG9/350 folio 131 pg 4
Joseph George Bradley head mar 57 engineer's labourer b. Lincs, Grimsby
Charlotte wife 46 b. Somerset, Brushford
Charlotte dau 7
Alice dau 7
Emily dau 5
children all born Lambeth
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Merchant Seaman register has a James Bradley ticket no. 30248 born 29 May 1826 at Tamerton, Devon, height 5ft 31/4in., hair brown, eyes blue, complexion fresh. First went to sea in 1840, ticket issued 4 July 1845 London, normal place of residence East India Road.
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The merchant navy record has been found before: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=648481.msg5403080#msg5403080
There are several previous threads on this family.
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The merchant navy record has been found before: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=648481.msg5403080#msg5403080
There are several previous threads on this family.
Wouldn't be surprised if there is relevant information in them.
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I am on ereader, cannot do live links, but on blake1 thread back on Australia board in 2014, one of the most experienced Australian researchers helped our OP on this same question, confirming that there are no passenger lists for voyages from Sout Australia to England to get the family back to England. I am sure that that research provided just five years or so ago, by Cando, would have been undertaken using her own resources and not reliant on commercial websites... I am at a loss to understand why this new thread is on the beginners board ...
PS, gold fever cannot occur until after the news of gold discovery has reached the broader communities. Gold discovered in NSW and Vic colonies mid 1851. Rushes need shiploads of migrants, so a person arriving in South Australia prior to discovery of gold cannot have been motivated to migrate by chasing gold ... perhaps a reason for migration to S.A. could be to start a life in a newly established convict free society....
JM
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I'm so sorry, It's not Arthur Blake... but James Bradley... Dyslexia strikes again, I usually get someone to look over things as letters tumble!!
I have tried to keep this inquiry separate from the first as I am only trying to establish a coming together of the two families in the UK around the 1860's... so it's only the year of the return that I'm looking for!!
I have searched the previous threads that folk have Kindly given me to no avail... just hoping some new records might have been released.
Again thank you for any help and so sorry for the confusion.
P.S. Arthur Blake is even more of a challenge. ::)
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Hi
I am on my work puter, here is the thread that I mentioned
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705661.0
JM
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Here is the RChat Resources Board for Australia, there are separate sub-boards for each of the former colonies including South Australia.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
The database for South Australian bdms is here:
https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
South Australian Government website with direct link to their family history statement of October 2018, updated March 2019
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/family-and-community/births-deaths-and-marriages/family-research
JM
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https://archives.sa.gov.au/passenger-lists-view
this link should get you to the shipping arrivals to South Australia, and thus the names of the ships. Those ships had return voyages, and while I am sure you are seeking the names of the passengers on those return voyages, I doubt those early 1850s manifests would be held in South Australia.
I am aware that for example, New South Wales outward passenger lists were not retained for that era, and were basically not retained in NSW for much of the 19th century. Likely they were part of the ships' manifests accompanying the ship throughout the voyage, - mess lists, surgeon lists, stewards' list etc...
Once convictism had ceased to NSW (so from 1840s) there was no real administrative need to know the names of those leaving. The important information was simply the statistical nett figure. South Australia was not set up as a penal colony, so they would not have needed to keep close detailed lists of outward passengers. Victoria was established in 1851, and of course Tasmania was still a penal colony at that time, and the sailing time to Tasmania from Melbourne was much shorter than to any of the ports in South Australia or New South Wales or New Zealand. So there likely needed to be a much closer administrative watch on the names of passengers in and out of Melbourne.
JM
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I had a family went to Oz, husband died and wife and children found on Ships arriving Southampton
Maybe there are no passenger lists for voyages from South Australia to England but there are Manifests of people arriving Southampton from Oz.
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So perhaps best if Blake1 searches in England for possible records there :D
The sighting of the lass with her parents on the 1861 census should be sufficient evidence to confirm the parents returned to England, and at some short time frame between when the lass was born and when the next child was born in England. I would not expect any reliable family history group to doubt the validity of that or to demand the name of the ship of arrival into England.
JM ADD or any UK census showing her place of birth leading back to South Australia... :D
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So perhaps best if Blake1 searches in England for possible records there :D
It's only about 6 weeks voyage now I think! ;D
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but Blake1 is already in Essex :D ;D
JM
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but Blake1 is already in Essex :D ;D
JM
;D 6 minute voyage so
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Hi all,
Milliepede. Sorry for the confusion, as you can see the families together is tantalising. I'll go into depths with the name Josh you supplied.
Bevj. Again sorry for the confusion.
Osprey. Correct I have all these record details.
Hallmark. I have extracted all I can from those records & I will revisit the resources Board.
Majm. Thank you for your comments. I have searched UK records for the family coming back - I would imagine as James was a mariner he perhaps worked his passage to help fund them getting back ( so that's one trail I can follow ) and I will search the resources board.
I am now living in Portugal :D The only window I have in perhaps making a connection with these two families is from the date they got back and the 1861 Census!! And that's all I've got before totally giving up. I cannot find James birth so cannot find his parents. Other folks who have followed James in their trees have totally gone down the wrong avenue as I did, as on paper there is a logical but false trail!! a trap.
On the other hand Joseph George seems to be a non-conformist so records are scarce. ??? & I can't find his first wife!
I have visited most places in the UK personally to see if I could extract any more information but sadly nothing.
I've found long lost graves that we have tidied up and cleared away weeds. ( Just to underline I am not just sitting at home on the computer... :D ;D
Thanks to you all, I didn't intend to get folks looking back over my old research request... but just that window of opportunity as mentioned.
Again many thanks to you all. Ken