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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: mona lisa on Tuesday 14 May 19 21:35 BST (UK)
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Question if a person arrived in Georgia (Savannah maybe) where would the most obvious route by ship be in ca 1904 from Europe
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This might help.
Look under "Other Ports"
https://www.germanroots.com/passengers.html
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and wouldn't it depend on where in Europe you were coming from and whether there were passenger shipping lines from there into Savannah?
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A bit early but England to Georgia did happen.
https://www.immigrantships.net/v2/1700v2/ann17330201.html
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Robert Louis Stevenson's "An Amateur Emigrant!" autobiog' tale of the voyage from the Clyde to Sandy Hook in 1895 on an emigrant ship. Read it online!
Skoosh.
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Previous topics-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=771914.msg6247866#msg6247866
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752673.msg6013376#msg6013376 with link a a previous topic-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752447.0 more links to yet more previous topics in reply #3
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After sorting through all the previous topics on this man (it got so that I would just google "site:rootschat.com reim montreal wales ... " rather than weave through all the interlinking,
well after all that, I see where you are going with this current question, I think:
"If he arrived at Savannah, what boat did he get off and where did it come from, so I can know where to look in Europe for him?" Correct?
I don't think that is the way to go. All roads for him, no matter how they weave, lead back to Wales, from what I can see.
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There is another Pre-Examination of Aliens in Canada record for him that says he arrived in St John's, New Brunswick, in October, 1905:
Michael Reims, 37, butcher and grocer 353 Victoria Ave, Montreal, nationality: Canadian. last residence: 351 Victoria, nearest relative in Canada: wife Elizabeth. destination: Old Orchard, Maine.
born Parydock, South Wales, landed at St Johns New Brunswick, October 1905, brown hair, blue eyes, 5'4 1/2", 128 lbs.
dated January 11, 1921
p 2 going to Old Orchard Beach for season
list of wife and children on page 2.
Wife Elizabeth, Irish, landed New York, September 1904 on the Anchoria, in transit to Canada
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Maybe he travelled back and forth a lot, or maybe he told stories. or both.
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I think you can throw out the "SS Onslow" because I googled and found no reference to it. only the HMS Onslow which was a warship that first sailed in 1916 (if I remember right).
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Canadian arrivals are harder to find than even Savannah. I don't think you will find him there.
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Did passenger ships arrive in Savannah before 1906, when the records are extant? Probably the answer is "of course" but the records are lost or hiding somewhere, or, at best, off line.
Did you ever get the marriage certificate for:
marriage June qtr 1904 Cardiff vol 11a page 584 or page 594 for Micheal Adrian Riim and Hilda Mary Bushen.
Could it be your greatgrandfather, not your grandfather? Legalizing it late in life, or remarrying her or whatever. Do you know when Adrian died, other than before 1 February 1909, when Michael Edward married?
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Why can't that family from Norway be his/yours?
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a few more thoughts. Did Michael Adrian die between the 1904 marriage
June qtr 1904 Cardiff vol 11a page 584 or page 594 for Micheal Adrian Riim and Hilda Mary Bushen
and Hilda Mary's marriage at the end of 1906 to Thomas John Hurley
December Qtr 1906 volume 11a page 688
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Wasn't the man from Norway named Abraham? Could Abraham and Adrian be the same man? Misheard by the record keeper? Just a guess. Have you ever seen them in the same place at the same time?
Sorry to be vague about Abraham from Norway's details, but I didn't hunt down the thread this time.
At any rate, you have an exact place of birth for your grandfather, his parents' names, and a narrow range of years. All in Wales.
Some of the family must turn up in 1881-1901 censuses, BMDs, etc.
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Thank you RJ137 and barryd as well as skoosh.
Now Aghadowy.....after much searching in Wales for more than 20 years with no BMD success many of our Family believe the
Wales bit was a story.....perhaps he was waylaid there. Maybe it was easier to say Barry than some great long unpronounceable thing. I will say DNA shows the Baltics and Swedish/Finnish/Norwegian.
He died in 1924.Hoping that his real story hasnt died with him.1911 Census says he spoke German.
He also says that he was in Georgia prior to coming to Quebec.
oldohiohome I've thought about the RIIM/Bushen.......I've seen the parish record of the Marriage.
Has his age at 21 and hers 18. I tried to check for an annulment. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
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believe the Wales bit was a story.....perhaps he was waylaid there. Maybe it was easier to say Barry than some great long unpronounceable thing. I will say DNA shows the Baltics and Swedish/Finnish/Norwegian.
1. Why wouldn't he just say London, or Cardiff? He consistently said Barry Docks, Wales.
2. DNA doesn't lie. Michael's father could have been a Norwegian national living in Wales, maybe just for a few years, had a son whose birth he didn't bother to register because Wales was a foreign country to him, and moved on or returned to Norway.
Therefore, I think you should follow back this man, Abraham Reim, b Bergen, Norway, who lived and died in Cardiff. Lived near the docks and seems to have an occupation involved with trade. Maybe he found Adrian a job in Barry Docks doing the same thing.
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1881
at 11 Stuart Street
Civil Parish: Cardiff St Mary, Glamorgan, Wales
Abraham Rein, 33, born in Bergen, Norway, a representative clerk
1891 25 Allerton St, Cardiff
Abraham, a commercial agent
1901 27 Allerton St
Abraham, a commission agent
Abraham Burrensundt Rein died September Quarter 1904, Cardiff, age 57
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I am inclined to believe the 1911 Canada Census re: Grdad's entry to Canada which he says was 1906...which is onlya period of 6 yrs later re: his St John NB entry; rather than the 1921 record relying on memory (of ca 15 yrs later), / SS Onslow ship mentioned/ I post these queries which seem similar at times as the years pass more information is available or someone new has more ideas. His occupation is listered a Steward on the 1904 Marriage Registration to Bushen and says that Adrianoff Riim is his father (deceased) I do know that Barry Wales was a seagoing port of importance with Ships coming in from the Baltics and also went to America. Now to have a family member with the Abraham Reim line doing a DNA. Still and all if a passenger list could be located for my grandad entering the USA in October 1904 one never knows what scrap of information may be on it. Thanks again oldohiohome for your time.
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Was he a steward on the ship coming over, maybe. I don't know how that would affect your search. I know he wouldn't have shown up on the regular Ellis Island manifests, but sometimes I have run into lists of crews, I just don't remember when.
Try Googling to see who ran passenger or even cargo lines from Cardiff to St Johns or to Savannah. You might be looking for off line records somewhere. I haven't seen him turn up anywhere except in the records you already have in Canada and New England.