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Title: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: robnich27 on Wednesday 15 May 19 03:20 BST (UK)
hi all
 i am trying to track down any info on a distant relative of mine
i believe he is my great grand farthers uncle
only info i have is his name
William Nicholson
he lived in Mangonui from at least 1880s as my gt gd father used to call in and visit him on his sailing trip around the coast
he was  from all accounts the local customs / excise man uup there
he built a house which is still standing, but now owned by the Wrathall family

any info ,,be much appreciated

rob
here is the current topic i have going

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812724.0
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: Mckha489 on Wednesday 15 May 19 03:33 BST (UK)
Papers past has various mentions of the name in association with Mangonui, but in particular Oliver Nicholson born in Mangonui in 1864.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD19320418.2.111?query=William%20Nicholson.%20Mangonui%20&snippet=true

His birth is on the register

1864/7603   Nicholson   Oliver   Emma   William

Other births with same parents names are

1858/4088   Nicholson   Emma
   
1866/10648   Nicholson   Alfred
1867/110   Nicholson   Alfred

1871/14892   Nicholson   Amelia      
   
1873/21509   Nicholson   Alice   
   


Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: Mckha489 on Wednesday 15 May 19 03:34 BST (UK)
Sketch in Truth of Oliver

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTR19240308.2.21.1.1?query=%20oliver%20nicholson&phrase=2&snippet=true

I do hope he is related to you, there are a lot of photographs including one with an HRH at the races.
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: Mckha489 on Wednesday 15 May 19 03:50 BST (UK)
Reference to William Nicholson of Pitt Street, previously running a general store at Mangonui

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18781112.2.19?query=Nicholson%20mangonui%20&start_date=01-01-1839&end_date=31-12-1880&snippet=true

There are several marriages of the children of William Nicholson of Pitt Street, and those names do not exactly  match the names I previously posted.  There may be more than one William Nicholson.

The Pitt Street one died in 1882

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18820810.2.20?query=William%20Nicholson&phrase=2&start_date=01-01-1839&end_date=31-12-1900&snippet=true
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: Mckha489 on Wednesday 15 May 19 04:10 BST (UK)
A Mr Nicholson at Mangonui in 1881

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18811123.2.23?query=Nicholson%20Deaths%20Mangonui%20&start_date=01-01-1839&end_date=31-12-1900&snippet=true
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: robnich27 on Wednesday 15 May 19 04:20 BST (UK)
thanks mate
i wouldnt think that there would be to many nicholsons up in Mangonui at tht time
i know that the house he built still stands,
but there was a building where he would have worked has been replaced by the one one standing as the old court house,,which is where the customs and bond store was
 and according to my late father  this nicholson was a cuctoms man, whom my gt gd father visited when sailing from alk to port waikato,,,oh,,he did lose a few ships too..

but the info gives some more to look at..more certs to order
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: robnich27 on Wednesday 15 May 19 04:24 BST (UK)
oh.. and the Oliver Nicholson...was a relative according to my late father
he was first mayor of Mt Eden
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: Mckha489 on Wednesday 15 May 19 04:38 BST (UK)
oh.. and the Oliver Nicholson...was a relative according to my late father
he was first mayor of Mt Eden

If thatís the case, (and not just your father picking up on the surname). Then The Pitt Street William seems more likely to be your man.

Marriage of Oliver to Frances Tinning in 1888

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18890104.2.35?query=Tinning%20Nicholson%20&snippet=true

There is a tree on Ancestry with this family
Says William married to Emma Fish
William born 1817 Harrow on the Hill, Middlesex

A separate tree has parents of William as George Nicholson and Lucy Elmore
With son John who married Hannah Davis as in other thread.  Interestingly that tree is unable to account for Johnís son John
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: robnich27 on Wednesday 15 May 19 04:43 BST (UK)
harrow fits from what i can rember
maybe this william and oliver are brothers???


will have to buy some more certs.....ouch
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: Mckha489 on Wednesday 15 May 19 04:47 BST (UK)
Added to post #7
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: Mckha489 on Wednesday 15 May 19 04:49 BST (UK)
harrow fits from what i can rember
maybe this william and oliver are brothers???


will have to buy some more certs.....ouch

Again cheating by looking at tree, they do have a William Sheridan Nicholson as a son of William of Pitt Street, brother to Oliver.
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: Mckha489 on Wednesday 15 May 19 04:50 BST (UK)
Confirmed here

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19191031.2.63?query=William%20Sheridan%20Nicholson%20&snippet=true

William Sheridanís first marriage

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18890502.2.2.2?query=William%20Sheridan%20Nicholson%20&snippet=true

His will. Names wife and children. Mentions will of Father.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9Q-4BKM?i=117&cc=1865481

Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: Mckha489 on Wednesday 15 May 19 05:13 BST (UK)
Will of William Who died 1882.
Says he is of Mangonui

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9PZ-F1KX?i=114&cc=1865481
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 15 May 19 06:58 BST (UK)
Cemetery details for one William Nicholson [1882]........

Cemetery Records - Symonds Street and St Stephens

Abstract   According to the late 1950's tombstone transcriptions William Nicholson died 9 August 1882 aged 64 years and Emma Nicholson died 8 August 1918 aged 89 years.

The N.Z. Society of Genealogists' T.J. McIvor Collection at the Family Research Centre Library, Panmure, has funeral records confirming Emma Nicholson died in 1918, aged 89 years, and was buried in Symonds Street Cemetery.
Subjects   Nicholson, William, d.1882; Nicholson, Emma, d.1918
Symonds Street Cemetery
     Notes: The (Variable Quality) Photographs at Auckland City Libraries of the TOMBSTONE in the Wesleyan section at G 33 of March 1995 (Auckland City Libraries Negative Nos 47024\F\17-21) have "Sacred to the memory of William Nicholson died August 9th 1882 aged 64 years ... the rest, also Emma Nicholson, wife of the above, died August 8th 1918 aged ... , ... day dawn ... shadows flee away".

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 15 May 19 07:11 BST (UK)
According to the obituary of Emma Nicholson [died 1918] late of Pitt Street, she and her husband William arrived in New Zealand from California.......

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19180809.2.85?query=emma%20nicholson&start_date=01-01-1918&end_date=31-12-1918&snippet=true&title=KWE,NZ,NZH,PWT,ROTWKG,TO,ACNZC,AKTIM,NZHAG,FRTIM,ALG,AS,DSC


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 15 May 19 08:23 BST (UK)
If this is the correct Nicholson family, here is the probated will of Oliver, son of Emma & William.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS87-2928-Q?i=450&wc=4B25-FRL%3A1045247701%2C1590062766&cc=1865481

Birth: [as previously provided]

1864/7603   Nicholson   Oliver   Emma   William

Death:

1952/23314   Nicholson   Oliver   87Y

It looks as if Oliver was a partner in a well known Auckland law firm.


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 15 May 19 09:36 BST (UK)
The marriage of Oliver Nicholson....


https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18890105.2.2.1?query=frances%20tinning&start_date=01-01-1888&end_date=31-12-1889&snippet=true

Death:
1919/3373   Nicholson   Annie Frances   53Y

Death notice:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19190514.2.2.3?query=frances%20nicholson%20oliver&start_date=01-01-1902&end_date=31-12-1950&snippet=true


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 17 May 19 06:35 BST (UK)
Photograph of the residence of Oliver Nicholson plus some additional information about the man......

https://digitalnz.org/records/30103542

https://57.myt.li/tours/1971487738/stops/1635242076/index.html

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=RuMkAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA511&lpg=PA511&dq=oliver+nicholson%2B+mt.+eden+mayor&source=bl&ots=wvEKLUrOb4&sig=ACfU3U2_CaalV9slsD_Wmr2DZtaKtJDGDg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiAgY3V6aHiAhWp73MBHapuB6s4ChDoATAEegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=oliver%20nicholson%2B%20mt.%20eden%20mayor&f=false

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: looking for uncle of john william nicholson
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 18 May 19 08:12 BST (UK)
A few snippets about father & son who share the name of William Sheridan Nicholson:


1919/9226   Nicholson   William Sheridan   67Y   

2001/5019   Nicholson   William Sheridan   14 March 1914

Headstone for William Sheridan Nicholson (senior) and his wife:

https://billiongraves.com/grave/William-Sheridan-Nicholson/18148028

Said to have been born in California:

https://www.myheritage.com/person-14002083.../william-sheridan-nicholson

   
Citation text: William Sheridan Nicholson Birth name: William Sheridan Nicholson Gender: Male Birth: Jan 21 1852 - San Francisco, San Francisco, California, ...


Cenotaph record for the later born William Sheridan Nicholson:

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/143215

His birth:

1914/15211   Nicholson   William Sheridan   Edith Jane   William Sheridan


Marriages:

1900/4268   Edith Jane   Curtis   William Sheridan   Nicholson   
[Her death:
1950/17440   Nicholson   Edith Jane   79Y]

1889/1070   Kate Eliza   Wills   William Sheridan   Nicholson   

Death notice for Kate Eliza:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18900519.2.84.3?query=kate%20eliza%20&phrase=2&start_date=01-01-1889&end_date=31-12-1900&snippet=true

Death notice for wife of William Sheridan Nicholson (junior)

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/hawkesbaytoday-nz/obituary.aspx?n=daphne-june-nicholson-june&pid=192412954&fhid=12668

Cemetery details can be found here:
http://cemeterybase.hdc.govt.nz/Details.aspx?id=34519

Minniehaha.