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Title: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 04:59 BST (UK)

I am researching

GORE Dudley

and I have located a death in 1963 aged 59 at Potts Point buried 15 August 1963....  It seems to match A Dudley Eric Gore in Potts Point on the Electoral roll in 1963 a Travellor.

Dudley shows up in on the Prisoner of war cards born 30 September 1903 (has his mother's name as Doris Anastasia and Father Christopher Cornelius) ... from my GRO Search and the 1911 Census I think his mother name is Daisy Amelia Gore.... 

Christopher's mother's maiden name is Rowe.... 

Can anyone show how I find

1....  How Dudley Eric arrives in Australia and any detail of his naval records  he is recorded as warrant officer...

2.....   I can't seem to find marriage for a Rowe and Gore so wondering if I anyone can find this...


Cheran ??? ???
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: majm on Friday 17 May 19 05:15 BST (UK)
Ryerson Index mentions that the announcement in the SMH OF 13 August 1963 will show that he died at St Vincents Hospital 9 August,  and that  he was formerly of Hong Kong,

https://www.ryersonindex.org/

JM
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 05:20 BST (UK)
Thanks for that.....

 8)
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: crisane on Friday 17 May 19 05:22 BST (UK)
Christopher C Gore marriage FreeBMD Sept 1/4 1901. On same page Daisy Amelia Harding. registration district Camberwell vol 1d page 1468
ancestry has quite a few entries for him  in the UK, Navy Lists, 1888-1970 in tge Naval Forces of the Colonies, specifically Hong Kong
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: giblet on Friday 17 May 19 05:22 BST (UK)
NSW state archives
Divorce papers Joan Gore - Dudley Eric Gore [Incorporates 3700/1952]
1953 to 1959
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: giblet on Friday 17 May 19 05:24 BST (UK)
NSW marriage
741/1951
GORE  DUDLEY ERIC 
LAMPERD  JOAN
SYDNEY
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: majm on Friday 17 May 19 05:24 BST (UK)
Two newspaper announcements,

SMH 13 Aug and 14 Aug 1963,  no family mentioned.

JM 

Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: giblet on Friday 17 May 19 05:29 BST (UK)
Appears he might have been in Victoria first before NSW.

The Daily Telegraph (Sydney, NSW : 1931 - 1954) 
Mon 29 Jun 1942
CHUNGKING, Sunday. Neu trals arriving in China say that the fVollowing Australians are
interned in Hongkong, and are in good health:

New South Wales: Mrs. Dorothy Jenner.

Victoria: Alma Kelly, Dudley Gore, Dr. Russell Shannon.
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: giblet on Friday 17 May 19 05:34 BST (UK)
Appears he may have had a child but not under his name, bit of a messy situation.

The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 - 1954) 
Thu 4 Feb 1932
etc  Maisie Smith admitted that she was not married and that her child was the child of a man named Dudley Gore. etc

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/242820820
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 05:35 BST (UK)
Appears he may have had a child but not under his name, bit of a messy situation.

The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 - 1954) 
Thu 4 Feb 1932
etc  Maisie Smith admitted that she was not married and that her child was the child of a man named Dudley Gore. etc

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/242820820

Thanks so much for the help so far its been a big help.... so how does he get to Australia and then into Hong Kong ???


 :) :)

it is messy and we have been trying to find just the mention of a Dudley Gore for so many years....
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: majm on Friday 17 May 19 05:38 BST (UK)
Are you sure the chap who died in August 1963 was Dudley Eric GORE?   The NSW BDM index for deaths does not give his parents names, but an official transcription of that d.c. would likely give information about his place of birth, his marriage/s, children of the marriage, where born, and how long in Australia ...

JM
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: majm on Friday 17 May 19 05:41 BST (UK)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/172232005/dudley-gore

Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park
   
A12A - Anglican FM 12A, Position 327

Dudley GORE burial 15 August 1963,  no middle name there either.

JM

Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: crisane on Friday 17 May 19 05:43 BST (UK)
1881 census RG1  Piece 691 Folio 98 Page 39
739 Old Kent Rd Peckham camberwell
Sidney J. Gore 37
Emma Gore 33
Emma Gore 15
Sidney Gore 12
Christopher Gore 4
Voilet Gore 2
Pheobe Gore 73

Marriage June 1/4 1875 Emma Rowe and Sidney James Gore on same page reg dist bethnall Green vol 1c page 560.

Birth reg for Violet Gore age 2 also gives mother's maiden name as Rowe. So did Sidney James become Christopher Cornelius? I'll look further.


Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 05:44 BST (UK)
1881 census RG1  Piece 691 Folio 98 Page 39
739 Old Kent Rd Peckham camberwell
Sidney J. Gore 37
Emma Gore 33
Emma Gore 15
Sidney Gore 12
Christopher Gore 4
Voilet Gore 2
Pheobe Gore 73

Marriage June 1/4 1875 Emma Rowe and Sidney James Gore on same page reg dist bethnall Green vol 1c page 560.

Birth reg for Violet Gore age 2 also gives mother's maiden name as Rowe. So did Sidney James become Christopher Cornelius? I'll look further.



the electoral roll from 1963 list Dduley Eric Gore of 17 Orwell Street Potts Point
Are you sure the chap who died in August 1963 was Dudley Eric GORE?   The NSW BDM index for deaths does not give his parents names, but an official transcription of that d.c. would likely give information about his place of birth, his marriage/s, children of the marriage, where born, and how long in Australia ...

JM


The Electoral Roll 1963 gives the record for  Dudley Eric Gore  17 Orwell Street Potts Point Traveller   

I was going to purchase the certificate but I thought if it didn't have the parents name on the idex, it probably wouldn't be on the Death Certificate.... 
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 05:46 BST (UK)
1881 census RG1  Piece 691 Folio 98 Page 39
739 Old Kent Rd Peckham camberwell
Sidney J. Gore 37
Emma Gore 33
Emma Gore 15
Sidney Gore 12
Christopher Gore 4
Voilet Gore 2
Pheobe Gore 73

Marriage June 1/4 1875 Emma Rowe and Sidney James Gore on same page reg dist bethnall Green vol 1c page 560.

Birth reg for Violet Gore age 2 also gives mother's maiden name as Rowe. So did Sidney James become Christopher Cornelius? I'll look further.

I believe Christopher is born 1876 so that fits and so now look like his father is Sydney!
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: crisane on Friday 17 May 19 05:49 BST (UK)
Christopher's marriage to Daisy is on ancestry and father is given as Sidney James a cigar merchant. Christopher is a cigar manufacturer age 24.Daisy is age 23 and her father is Edward Arthur Harding an engineer
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: majm on Friday 17 May 19 05:51 BST (UK)
Are you sure the chap who died in August 1963 was Dudley Eric GORE?   The NSW BDM index for deaths does not give his parents names, but an official transcription of that d.c. would likely give information about his place of birth, his marriage/s, children of the marriage, where born, and how long in Australia ...

JM

Do you have that document? 

JM
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 05:59 BST (UK)
Jim  I don't have the Death certificate but I do have the electoral Roll


Cheran
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: majm on Friday 17 May 19 06:00 BST (UK)
Here is a lucky Sydney Businessman named Dudley Gore, Surfers Paradise Qld in December 1949

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/226281534

JM
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: crisane on Friday 17 May 19 06:01 BST (UK)
Sidney James Gore died  19 June 1912 in Kent Probate granted to Sidney Ernest gore cigar manufacturer
Effects 30811 pounds 16 shillings and fourpence.

Christopher Cornelius Gore age 72
Register Type - Burial
Death Date - March 1/4 1949 reg district lewisham
Burial or Cremation Date 10 Jan 1949
At Lewisham, London, England
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 06:10 BST (UK)
1881 census RG1  Piece 691 Folio 98 Page 39
739 Old Kent Rd Peckham camberwell
Sidney J. Gore 37
Emma Gore 33
Emma Gore 15
Sidney Gore 12
Christopher Gore 4
Voilet Gore 2
Pheobe Gore 73

Marriage June 1/4 1875 Emma Rowe and Sidney James Gore on same page reg dist bethnall Green vol 1c page 560.

Birth reg for Violet Gore age 2 also gives mother's maiden name as Rowe. So did Sidney James become Christopher Cornelius? I'll look further.



the electoral roll from 1963 list Dduley Eric Gore of 17 Orwell Street Potts Point
Are you sure the chap who died in August 1963 was Dudley Eric GORE?   The NSW BDM index for deaths does not give his parents names, but an official transcription of that d.c. would likely give information about his place of birth, his marriage/s, children of the marriage, where born, and how long in Australia ...

JM


The Electoral Roll 1963 gives the record for  Dudley Eric Gore  17 Orwell Street Potts Point Traveller   

I was going to purchase the certificate but I thought if it didn't have the parents name on the idex, it probably wouldn't be on the Death Certificate....

1949 Electoral Roll has Dudley Eric Gore Merchant Melita, the Esplanade
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: majm on Friday 17 May 19 06:22 BST (UK)
Parents names unlikely to be on the document, but NSW death certs are usually very informative...  The informant may not have known the names of his parents, but may well have known many other details - the headings allow for responses to cover:

Full name, sex, age,
date & place of death,
place of residence,
occupation

and under marital status: (if more than one marriage,  each 'family' grouped in their own separate lists)...

Place of marriage,
age when married,
full name of spouse (including nee) .
Children's name and ages.

Parents' names and mother's maiden name.

Cause of death and duration of last illness.
Burial or cremation date and place.

https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history-research/registry-records.aspx

Also, the National Library of Australia has e-resources, including access to more recent newspapers ahead of Trove ...  :)  Do you have a library card ... :D and NSW State Library as e resources too, and excellent access to recent newspapers too...  ;D and there's also google news archives, not as easy to access, and not as good a coverage of NSW papers....

JM
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 06:24 BST (UK)
Thanks Jim  I do have a national library card will have a good look over the next few days!
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: Mckha489 on Friday 17 May 19 06:25 BST (UK)
Sussex Agricultural Express May 4, 1923   Quite a long piece

Dudley Eric GORE in the dock. Theft etc.  His father Christopher Cornelius GORE has put up 25 bond for good behaviour owing to a previous appearance
.
The "lads' went up to town to see about a passage to Australia

Judge's comments..

"But there appeared no desire on his part to lead a good life and he went on with the same man in a career of crime. He thought it was his duty to tell prisoner that if he continued in the career that he had chosen and did not try to lead a good life he was bound to end as a very bad man"  (my bold  :))

.... wickedness and undutifulness of a son


1 month hard labour

Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: rosball on Friday 17 May 19 22:41 BST (UK)
NSW state archives
Divorce papers Joan Gore - Dudley Eric Gore [Incorporates 3700/1952]
1953 to 1959

Good find giblet  :)

I can photograph the divorce papers next time I am at the Archives, Cheran.   It should have a marriage cert and other useful info about occupation and address etc.

Ros

adding : Just adding the links  (a drawn-out battle  :) )
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1542504 and 
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1569677   and https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1547331  (Didley [sic] Eric GORE is the one included in later record)
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 23:06 BST (UK)
NSW state archives
Divorce papers Joan Gore - Dudley Eric Gore [Incorporates 3700/1952]
1953 to 1959

Good find giblet  :)

I can photograph the divorce papers next time I am at the Archives, Cheran.   It should have a marriage cert and other useful info about occupation and address etc.

Ros

Ros that would be fantastic if you could......   thank you so much.   Cheran
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 23:10 BST (UK)
1881 census RG1  Piece 691 Folio 98 Page 39
739 Old Kent Rd Peckham camberwell
Sidney J. Gore 37
Emma Gore 33
Emma Gore 15
Sidney Gore 12
Christopher Gore 4
Voilet Gore 2
Pheobe Gore 73

Marriage June 1/4 1875 Emma Rowe and Sidney James Gore on same page reg dist bethnall Green vol 1c page 560.

Birth reg for Violet Gore age 2 also gives mother's maiden name as Rowe. So did Sidney James become Christopher Cornelius? I'll look further.

Sydney James Baptism in 1842 (25 Dec 1842) Nunton-with-Bodenham, Wiltshire, England   F: James Mother: Phoebe
Title: Re: Dudley Eric Gore born 1903
Post by: CHERAN on Friday 17 May 19 23:24 BST (UK)
1881 census RG1  Piece 691 Folio 98 Page 39
739 Old Kent Rd Peckham camberwell
Sidney J. Gore 37
Emma Gore 33
Emma Gore 15
Sidney Gore 12
Christopher Gore 4
Voilet Gore 2
Pheobe Gore 73

Marriage June 1/4 1875 Emma Rowe and Sidney James Gore on same page reg dist bethnall Green vol 1c page 560.    I did a quick look and found the year 1865 with those references....and Emma Phoebe mother's maiden name Rowe born in 1865
and Sydney Ernest mother's maiden name Rowe born in 1868.... Thanks for the lead


Birth reg for Violet Gore age 2 also gives mother's maiden name as Rowe.
So did Sidney James become Christopher Cornelius? I'll look further.

Sydney James Baptism in 1842 (25 Dec 1842) Nunton-with-Bodenham, Wiltshire, England   F: James Mother: Phoebe