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Title: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Sunday 19 May 19 07:01 BST (UK)
Hi,
I am trying to find any information in regard to Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896 at Reading Berkshire, who travelled between Canada and England during the years 1921 through to around 1962.    We believe that her Mother also could have travelled with her, her name being Kate Thorn, and even her brother Henry (Harry) Goddard b. 1891, who had gone to Australia for a period of time, but we believe he also went to Canada.   Elsie Willoughby was married to Alfred T Willoughby, and am not sure whether he travelled during these periods as well.

If anyone can assist me with information on this family,I will be very grateful, as I don't have access to any Ancestry records in Canada.
Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 19 May 19 07:31 BST (UK)
A quick search - on my phone - suggests Elsie travelled back and forth a few times. Hard to see the records on my phone but one i opened - arriving in Quebec on 23 July 1921 - she was with her husband and they were intending to buy a farm and settle in Vancouver. I’ll have a look at the other records later when i am on the computer (unless others get the info for you first).
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 19 May 19 07:41 BST (UK)
Alfred, Elsie and a child Olive Victoria Willoughby aged 9, born Canada, sailed from Antwerp, Belgium, to Seattle (destination Vancouver) on the Abraham Lincoln arriving in Feb 1932.   
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Sunday 19 May 19 07:42 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for this, this Goddard family seem to be all over the place, and I need to get to the bottom of this, including the Henry or Harry Goddard who came to Australia and became a Pearler in Broome.
I have most information for him here, but need to connect up with any other information on his travels to and from UK, if maybe also via Canada.
Jan.
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Sunday 19 May 19 07:44 BST (UK)
Looking good Deirdre.
Thank you so much. Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 19 May 19 07:57 BST (UK)
I think this is her death:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nti/

(from:http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy)

Maureen
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 19 May 19 10:29 BST (UK)
Other journeys....
She returned ‘home’ - to Canada - and again in July 1947 (via New York), and June 1949 (Montreal).
Elsie and Violet aged 2 sailed from Southampton to Montreal in Sept 1924
Alfred, Elsie and Violet arrived in Washington in July 1929
In April 1953 she sailed on the Mauretania from New York to Southampton (on her own)
In Sept 1962 she arrived in New York - on her own - in transit to Canada

I can’t immediately see any records for her mother but her year of birth might help in a search given her more common name than Elsie Olive  :) The ones i found were all too young.

Sandra - amazing details you get online with a death certificate  :)
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 19 May 19 10:43 BST (UK)
Harry sailed from Sydney to Victoria, British Columbia, arriving in October 1926 (fare paid by his mother!). Destined for his mother - Mrs K Goddard - in Vancouver. He was a butcher and landed as an ‘immigrant’.

He left Montreal for Plymouth in July 1927, as a carpenter, stating last place of permanent residence as Australia.
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Sunday 19 May 19 11:21 BST (UK)
Maureen,

Thank you, yes that is her death certificate, wrong maiden name, Willard, but close !
Jan

I think this is her death:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nti/

(from:http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy)

Maureen
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Sunday 19 May 19 11:28 BST (UK)
Deirdre, thank you that is absolutely great, confirms what I wanted to know.   He changed his occupation each time he travelled.  In Western Australia, his occupation was Pearler.

Jan

Harry sailed from Sydney to Victoria, British Columbia, arriving in October 1926 (fare paid by his mother!). Destined for his mother - Mrs K Goddard - in Vancouver. He was a butcher and landed as an ‘immigrant’.

He left Montreal for Plymouth in July 1927, as a carpenter, stating last place of permanent residence as Australia.
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Sunday 19 May 19 11:40 BST (UK)
Deirdre,
Regarding date of birth of Elsie Olive Willoughby's Mother, it was Kate Goddard (nee Thorn) born 20.5.1864 Frimley, Surrey England.

Hope this assists.

Jan

Other journeys....
She returned ‘home’ - to Canada - and again in July 1947 (via New York), and June 1949 (Montreal).
Elsie and Violet aged 2 sailed from Southampton to Montreal in Sept 1924
Alfred, Elsie and Violet arrived in Washington in July 1929
In April 1953 she sailed on the Mauretania from New York to Southampton (on her own)
In Sept 1962 she arrived in New York - on her own - in transit to Canada

I can’t immediately see any records for her mother but her year of birth might help in a search given her more common name than Elsie Olive  :) The ones i found were all too young.

Sandra - amazing details you get online with a death certificate  :)
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 19 May 19 11:46 BST (UK)
I did look for Kate Goodard too following the travel of Harry but again nothing found. But if she was living in Vancouver she must have got there somehow so will look again. Elsie’s travel docs all refer to the same address in Reading so did her parents split up and that was the family home?
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Sunday 19 May 19 11:51 BST (UK)
Hi Deirdre,
Yes, I am still looking at that, am not sure what  happened there, strange happenings there with the family.   We wonder why  Harry Goddard changed his occupation, think he was running away from his responsibilities in Australia.
Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 19 May 19 11:51 BST (UK)
Sorry 10 Bulmershe Rd, Reading on a few, then in 1947.... 286 Henley Rd, Caversham, Reading
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 19 May 19 11:56 BST (UK)
George and Kate Goddard left Southampton on 30 April 1926 for Montreal. Bulmershe Rd address given.
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Sunday 19 May 19 11:57 BST (UK)
Following on from this, I have found that George Goddard died 7.4.1935 at Reading.  I think maybe he and his wife Kate Goddard returned to England from Vancouver in 1926, not sure, most likely just visiting family.
Jan

Hi Deirdre,
Yes, I am still looking at that, am not sure what  happened there, strange happenings there with the family.   We wonder why  Harry Goddard changed his occupation, think he was running away from his responsibilities in Australia.
Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Sunday 19 May 19 11:59 BST (UK)
Thank you once again Deirdre, all coming together now.
Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Sunday 19 May 19 12:01 BST (UK)
Getting late here in Australia, may not answer, if any more questions posted, will check in the morning, thank you everyone so much, we are getting there now.
Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 19 May 19 12:10 BST (UK)
They returned from Montreal to Plymouth in November 1926
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 19 May 19 12:19 BST (UK)
I guess you have this but just in case..... Harry and his mother were in Bulmershe Rd in 1939. Looks like Kate died and Harry married in March quarter 1953 in Reading and Harry died in 1964 (Wokingham).
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 19 May 19 20:54 BST (UK)


FIND A GRAVE - husband of Elsie Olive nee Goddard Willoughby.

SGT Alfred Thomas Willoughby - 1893 - 1970

burial -    
Forest Lawn Memorial Park
Burnaby, Greater Vancouver Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
PLOT   Normandy Section.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194469347

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7QM7-T9W2

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 19 May 19 20:55 BST (UK)


Death Cert for Alfred Thomas Willoughby

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/38a1fc1b-9b56-48df-9e6e-469cfc60553c

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Monday 20 May 19 00:17 BST (UK)
Good morning Deirdre and Sandra,
Thank you for this information, that is great.
Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Monday 20 May 19 01:03 BST (UK)
I wonder if any of you ladies could give me details of the birth of their daughter Olive Violet Kate Willoughby, we think she was born in 1922 in Canada, not absolutely sure.
She did marry in Surrey UK later.
Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Monday 20 May 19 06:35 BST (UK)
Hi Jan, no luck from me sorry.
Deirdre
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 20 May 19 09:32 BST (UK)
British Columbia birth records are released to the public after 120 years.

Prior to 2004, birth records were released after 100 years, so birth records up to and including 1903 are available. 1904 records, however, will not be released until 2025.

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Monday 20 May 19 09:43 BST (UK)
That’s interesting, thanks Sandra.
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Monday 20 May 19 09:43 BST (UK)
Thank you Sandra, that's all good anyway, we know that she was born around 1922, that is fine, thank you for your acknowledgement anyway.
Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 20 May 19 10:13 BST (UK)


The death of Olive Violet Kate Holmes was listed as 28/1/1922 died 09/1996 Reading & Wokingham Berkshire.

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 20 May 19 10:16 BST (UK)

Olive Violet Kate Willoughby lived at 63 Greenfields Road Reading Berkshire - 1945

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 20 May 19 10:16 BST (UK)
Olive V K Willoughby married Horace Holmes quarter 3 1953 - Surrey Northern to Horace J Holmes -
5g 968

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 20 May 19 10:18 BST (UK)

Horace Joffie Holmes born 1920 died March 2002 Reading Berkshire- Register Number D9B - District and Subdistrict - 3201D - Entry Number128

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 20 May 19 10:26 BST (UK)

Not sure if this was recorded earlier but a UK Return Passenger List - New York to London -  - arriving 22 April 1924 - Antonia - Violet Olive Willoughby - aged 2 year, Elsie Olive Willoughby aged 28 years going to 10 Bulmershe Road. Reading Berkshire. Country of last residence Canada. Intended living in other parts of the British Empire.

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Monday 20 May 19 10:43 BST (UK)
Doh! Didn’t think of her uk death having her date of birth.

Re the 1924 passenger list, Elsie died in Canada so presumably changed her mind re moving  ???
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 20 May 19 11:15 BST (UK)

Re the 1924 passenger list, Elsie died in Canada so presumably changed her mind re moving  ???

Intended living in other parts of the British Empire meant Canada. So Elsie intended returning to Canada.

The choices are England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Irish Free State, Foreign Countries or other parts of the British Empire.

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Monday 20 May 19 11:36 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra, that seemed confusing, given that her last place of residence was Canada. 🌺
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Monday 20 May 19 11:49 BST (UK)
thanks Sandra
Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Tuesday 21 May 19 07:34 BST (UK)
Hi Deirdre,
Wondering if you can see any information about Harry Goddard's passport information, which might give me more clues for him in Australia.
Jan

Harry sailed from Sydney to Victoria, British Columbia, arriving in October 1926 (fare paid by his mother!). Destined for his mother - Mrs K Goddard - in Vancouver. He was a butcher and landed as an ‘immigrant’.

He left Montreal for Plymouth in July 1927, as a carpenter, stating last place of permanent residence as Australia.
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Tuesday 21 May 19 08:10 BST (UK)
It was only a passenger list i found and i included everything on the list in my post sorry. There is a tree on ancestry which gives some details including a daughter in Australia but I haven’t looked into that.
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: majm on Tuesday 21 May 19 08:22 BST (UK)
Hi Deirdre,
Wondering if you can see any information about Harry Goddard's passport information, which might give me more clues for him in Australia.
Jan

Harry sailed from Sydney to Victoria, British Columbia, arriving in October 1926 (fare paid by his mother!). Destined for his mother - Mrs K Goddard - in Vancouver. He was a butcher and landed as an ‘immigrant’.

He left Montreal for Plymouth in July 1927, as a carpenter, stating last place of permanent residence as Australia.

I have posted the following on your other current thread.

:D  Some info that may be very helpful

WA electoral roll, 1925 PERTH,
John Clifford PURVIS, 117 Zebina Street, a labourer
William Ransom PURVIS, same address, also a labourer.

Canada Incoming passenger list
right hand page for entry re Harry...
Butcher
mother Mrs K Goddard, 4018 Avenue St, Vancouver
Friend, Mr J Piervis, 117 Zebina St, Western Australia
Melbourne/A45441  21/07/26 (Passport issued for Harry/ the number of that passport/date issued)

And, my apologies, my retired rellie is not a former Archivist, he is STILL an Archivist, but not gainfully employed. And he ought to join RChat  :D

JM

The passport was issued in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

JM
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Tuesday 21 May 19 08:25 BST (UK)
Deidre,
I have been drawing up my tree on Ancestry, (New/Thorn/Brindley) plus another cousin (New-Holland) doing the same, but we are still trying to confirm the correct details.
The only daughter that he would have had, was one in Western Australia, named Elsie Corpus and plus a Son Henry Corpus, who were illegitimate, (interesting though !! Elsie & Henry being Goddard family names) born to a Half Indigenous lady in Broome, W.Aust. where this Harry Goddard apparently was working as a Pearler on his own Lugger Boats, also being Licensee of the Dampier Hotel.  He was a Butcher coming to Australia, then owned a Bakery in Broome, back to being a Butcher when he went to Canada, and then a Carpenter when he went back to UK.   There he became Licensee at the Osborn Arms Hotel in Reading, Berkshire.    Changed his occupation all the time.
We are trying to get all of the details together, as we have DNA matches with the grand-daughter of the partner of Harry Goddard (or Henry)
I think we have it right now, he must be the man responsible, we all needed the right information for closure.  Thanks Deirdre.
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Tuesday 21 May 19 08:30 BST (UK)
Thank you so much JM
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Tuesday 21 May 19 08:34 BST (UK)
Thanks for the update Jan, interesting family research 😀
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Tuesday 21 May 19 08:42 BST (UK)
Deirdre, this has been the most amazing research, we have been down so many lines, but once we got the Court Records from Perth W.A. showing the name of the father, we were able to take it further.
Unfortunately, the record did not show the christian name, and there were two Goddards living in Broome at the time.    We mistakenly went down the track of both of these fellows believing them to be sons of Leather Merchants from India.  Was not to be, and this has taken us 6 months to get the family connection.    They ended up not to be brothers, and it appears that the Harry Goddard in Broome is definitely the man who fathered these two children.    What a journey it has been.
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 21 May 19 08:53 BST (UK)

On the 1926 passenger list there are 2 columns at the end which give passport information - number, place and date issued. This isn't very clear but you may deduce something from the information.
If you would like a copy of the passenger list, send me a pm with your personal email address and I will forward it. (plus any others your require)

Sandra

Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 21 May 19 18:50 BST (UK)

Should be with you now. Enjoy.  ;)

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Tuesday 21 May 19 22:04 BST (UK)
sandra,
Got them now, thank you very much.   Wondering if Harry Goddard is available, early morning here in Australia, don't think I saw that arrive, maybe I missed it.

Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 15:58 BST (UK)


You should have two for Harry now - resent.

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: Deirdre784 on Wednesday 22 May 19 16:37 BST (UK)
You should have two for Harry now - resent.

Sandra

Sandra, that threw me! You’ve changed your profile picture 😀

Deirdre
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Wednesday 22 May 19 22:02 BST (UK)
Sandra,
Thanks received both.   Interesting isn't it though, he is a Butcher, then he is a Carpenter.
I know that plenty of my other family members who were Carpenters in England, made their occupation Farmers, when they came to Australia around 1912 onwards.
Depended on the need for workers in the country at that particular time.   So I guess that is not unusual that Harry Goddard did that, but definitely the same person on each occasion.
He came from a family of Butchers in Reading, aged 19 years.   jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Wednesday 05 June 19 05:57 BST (UK)
Good afternoon again,
Thanks so much for all your help, been an amazing journey with this family, but now I need some help once again, if anyone can be patient enough with me please.   We have another relation to add to our family.
Harry Goddard (Henry) was in Vancouver for approximately 12 months before he sailed back to England.
Have a large DNA match with a person who lives in Canada, saying that the Father came from Berkshire and the mother from Canada.   Now thinking that maybe Harry Goddard fathered a child sometime between 1926 and 1927 before he returned to the UK.
Wondering if there are any census records during those 2 years available in Canada. 
Thanking you in anticipation. Jan
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 05 June 19 10:45 BST (UK)


Latest census for 1926 covers Prairie Provinces.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1926/Pages/search.aspx

Sandra
Title: Re: Immigration records for Elsie Olive Willoughby (nee Goddard) b. 1896
Post by: janjim on Wednesday 05 June 19 12:34 BST (UK)
Thank you Sandra.