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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Seaton Smithy on Monday 20 May 19 13:23 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone.
Barbara Flora McDonald Kidd was born 5 December 1908 in Eckville, Alberta, parents George Kidd and Barbara Doig.
On 28 August 1934 she married John Douglas Storrings in Smithers, British Columbia.
Barbara died on 18 December 1996 in Victoria, British Columbia.
I am hoping to find an obituary for Barbara. Any assistance greatly appreciated.
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Must have used the name Flora Storrings
Times Colonist - Victoria, British Columbia, Canada - 20 Dec 1996, Fri - Page 35
https://tinyurl.com/y4evh8dz
Sandra
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Death Certificate John Douglas Storrings
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/62a4a250-cd33-47d0-b4a5-886103bd4b9a
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
John Douglas Storrings - 1900 - 1948
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/2521161
Sandra
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Thank you for that - that is much appreciated.
Damn, no children. And her brother died unmarried.
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Unfortunately no children to be found. :'(
Sandra
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You probably have the marriage already, but just in case:
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/72595a0f-76e8-40fd-bf9c-1dab48a7be36
Flora's brother's death registration indicates that Flora was living in Campbell River in 1973.
(Really far from Smither's).
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/dfc9401a-f0df-48a6-8645-939b77eb8980
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Thanks, bbart - I did have those.
It seems the images for Flo's parents aren't available (mother Barbara is mistranscribed as "Ridd"), but I was able to confirm their details at familysearch.org.
It's a pity. I am sure that Flo's father George is the man I've been looking for the past 6 years, but if he has no legitimate descendants it looks like my search is over.
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It seems the images for Flo's parents aren't available (mother Barbara is mistranscribed as "Ridd"), but I was able to confirm their details at familysearch.org.
A library relatively close to me has most of the microfilms (although the viewers are getting very dim now!) I should be able to get there in the next week or two if you want them, unless you are very sure it's the wrong family.
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Thanks for the offer, bbart.
I am reasonably convinced it is the right family - my hope was that DNA might support this but with no descendants that is unfortunately not an option.
If you are going to the library anyway and it is no extra trouble it would be greatly appreciated, particularly the record for George Kidd - the record for Barbara Watson (Doig) Kidd is less important.
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No trouble at all, and hopefully he is not on one of the very few films they are missing.
Looking at the 1921 census, I only see the two kids you know about, aged 12 and 15, so it doesn't look promising that there were any more.
Sometime in the next week or so, I will get there, and will nudge this post when I have found the registrations.
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It's a shame his marriage certificate doesn't say whether he was a bachelor or not. I thought given the age difference he may have remarried and had kids from another wife.
Have you seen it? It gives his parents names, and location of birth etc.
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I don't have it with me, but I thought the marriage record did say "Not previously married".
I believe that the father's name and the mother's surname are correct, but that the mother's given name and birth location are incorrect - the birth location is closer to that of his mother.
His mother's name on his death record as shown on familysearch.org is given as Flora McDonald - this matches his daughter's middle names, so may have been an assumption on her part. His birth location on the death records of his children is Aberdeen or Aberdeenshire.
His mother's name on his marriage record is given as Elizabeth McDonald and his birth location as Laurence, Kincardinshire.
I believe he is the George Kidd born in 1856 in Skene, Aberdeenshire, parents Andrew Kidd and Harriet McDonald. Harriet's census and death records state she was born in Durris, Kincardineshire, although a birth or baptism for her has not been confirmed.
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I thought the marriage record did say "Not previously married".
You are correct! I missed reading that part.
Thanks for the info as well.... I would have never read "Laurence" out of the scrawl for the birthplace.
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Okay, got the documents, and of course my scanner packed it in! So for now, I'll just type out what I see, and worry about how to get copies to you later.
The son, William George Kidd, was informant for both parents. However, if he is correct about his father's age, it botches up the theory of the George Kidd born to Andrew and Harriet.
Starting with Barbara:
Place of Death:
If in Municipality: ---
If in City or Town: Smithers Street: ---- House No.: Farm
If in hospital or institution: ----
Name of Deceased: Barbara Watson-Kidd
Residence: Smithers
Racial Origin: British
Married
Birthplace: Dundee, Scotland
Date of birth: April 09, 1871
Age: 58 yrs, 0 mo, 5 days
Occupation: farming
Length of residence: At place of death: 9yrs In province: BC In Canada: 22 years
Name of father: William Doig
Birthplace of father: Dundee, Scotland
Maiden name of mother: Annie
Birthplace of mother: Dundee, Scotland
Informant: William G. Kidd, Smithers
Date of death: April 14, 1929
Cause of death: diabetes melitis, ascites, exhaustion
Autopsy?: no
Place of burial: Smithers Cemetery
Date of burial: April 16, 1927
Undertaker: David Jones, Smithers
George
Place of Death:
If in Municipality: Farm near Smithers, BC
If in City or Town: Street: House No.:
If in hospital or institution: ----
Name of Deceased: George Kidd
Residence: Smithers, BC
Racial Origin: Scotch
Married
Birthplace: Aberdeen, Scotland
Date of birth:
Age: 75 yrs, 0 mo, 22 days
Occupation: farmer
Length of residence: At place of death: 13yrs 6 mos In province: In Canada: 26 years
Name of father: Andrew Kidd
Birthplace of father: Aberdeen, Scotland
Maiden name of mother: Flora MacDonald
Birthplace of mother: Glencoe, Scotland
Informant: William G. Kidd, Smithers
Date of death: Dec 28. 1933
Cause of death: carcinoma of stomach; stated he had stomach problems for years
Contributory cause: hemorrhage from stomach, intermittent one month
Surgery?: no
Autopsy?: no
Place of burial: Smithers Cemetery
Date of burial: Jan 1, 1934
Undertaker: David Jones, Smithers
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There is a family tree on Rootsweb with this family it's also part of a website called Doig net they have different parents for both Barbara and George although still not the ones you were hoping for if you contact the owner I have found him very helpful in the past he maybe able to help
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I can't find them on there, Wendy! What names did they have for parents of George?
Familysearch has a baptism index for Barbara which matches the death reg:
Name Barbara Watson Doig
Gender Female
Birth Date 09 Apr 1871
Birthplace DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's Name William Doig
Mother's Name Ann Fraser
Unfortunately, George is being more elusive if the death reg. has the right birthdate. Always the case.... the one you really want to know about is never easy!
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They have an Andrew Kidd and Harriet McDonald a son George was born to this family in 1856 Skene Aberdeenshire the website also states George emigrated 1880
If you google Doig net this should give you the website this family tree came from and they have the same parents for Barbara as you have just posted
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Ok, thanks for that! :)
Seaton Smithy may have already seen it, but just so it doesn't hide on me again, found the link:
https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=andx1647&id=I2288
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Sorry just reread and this is indeed the George Smythy is looking for according to the family tree as I suggested if you contact the owner of the website he maybe able to confirm how they have these parents for George
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They have an Andrew Kidd and Harriet McDonald a son George was born to this family in 1856 Skene Aberdeenshire the website also states George emigrated 1880
These are the details that I believe to be correct - but I cannot see those details on the Doig site or the RootsWeb site. I will try contacting the site owner.
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Here is a link to Barbara's family tree
http://www.doig.net/ANDX1647.html
And bBart posted a link to the family on Rootsweb in reply 18
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And bBart posted a link to the family on Rootsweb in reply 18
Yes, and that has different details than in your reply 17.
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Sorry so it does must stop skim reading
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Regarding my post #14, I have been able to get a large resolution picture of each document on my camera, so if you pm me an email address, I can send them.
After trawling around every site, I agree that this George was (probably) the one born 1856 to Andrew/Harriet.
When George married, whether his birth was Nov (per baptism) or Dec. (per death reg), he hadn't had his birthday yet that year, so he would have been born 1856. He also says he was born in Kincardine, and it is highly possible that his mother had him at a sister/relatives home, but they actually lived in Aberdeen. That could be a detail his children were not aware of when they filled out forms regarding him.
As for the Harriet/Elizabeth problem: If you search Scotland's people for every McDonald in Duriss, (Duriss being the only consistent thing about her on the censuses; her age is not too consistent!), there is no Harriet, but there is an Elizabeth, born 1818. 1818 is pretty much in the middle of all the ages the censuses say. She could have been baptised as Elizabeth, but went her whole life as Harriet. Perhaps her parents "renamed" her after baptism, which is not unheard of.
MCDONALD
ELIZABETH
WILLIAM MCDONALD/ELSPET MCGREGOR
23/11/1818
256/10 188
Durris
George had older brothers; maybe track them down for descendants for DNA, if that is what you are after? Some of them appear to have vanished, but brother Alexander is not too hard to track.
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Regarding my post #14, I have been able to get a large resolution picture of each document on my camera, so if you pm me an email address, I can send them.
Thank you! Message sent.
MCDONALD
ELIZABETH
WILLIAM MCDONALD/ELSPET MCGREGOR
23/11/1818
256/10 188
Durris
This is an interesting lead. I'll look to see if there is any other evidence for this person.
George had older brothers; maybe track them down for descendants for DNA, if that is what you are after? Some of them appear to have vanished, but brother Alexander is not too hard to track.
Great suggestion - I do have two DNA matches to people I think are descendants of George from Skene's brothers James and Alexander. There are issues with both of their trees, but I believe my variations to their information are defensible. I am building out the trees for all of George's siblings (sisters are equally as valid as brothers with autosomal DNA).
I think there are very good reasons to conclude that the George Kidd who marries in Montana in 1901 is the George Kidd born in Skene in 1856.
I am looking for a man likely to be in his early 20s purported to be named George Kidd, occupation Shepherd, who conceived a child in or near Cluny, Aberdeenshire in around July 1879. None of the men named George Kidd on the 1881 Scotland census appear to be obvious candidates.
George from Skene is with his parents in Dyce in 1861 where his father dies in 1867. In 1871 his mother is in Kinnellar but George is in Kintore living in a farm bothy with several other young men. Kintore is not all that far from Cluny. George appears to be entirely absent from Scotland by 1881.
The consistencies for George from Skene and George in Montana & British Columbia are father's full name, mother's maiden surname and his age on his marriage record.
The inconsistencies are mother's given name (inconsistent twice), month of birth (November v December) and the places of his birth on his marriage record and of his mother's birth on his death record.
I am trying to find when George from Skene was baptised - if he wasn't baptised until December he may have mistakenly believed that is when he was born.
EDIT: I think a plausible explanation for the inconsistency of George's birth place on his marriage record is the order the questions were asked: Father's name? Mother's name? Place of birth? [Respondent walks away wondering why they wanted to know where his mother was born.]
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I meant to add - Harriet McDonald's 1874 death record says she was illegitimate and that her mother was also Harriet McDonald.
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I meant to add - Harriet McDonald's 1874 death record says she was illegitimate and that her mother was also Harriet McDonald.
Okay, we can kick that Elizabeth theory of mine to the curb then!
The consistencies for George from Skene and George in Montana & British Columbia are father's full name, mother's maiden surname and his age on his marriage record.
You can add the USA 1900 census to that list: dob is Dec 1856. (immigration year 1882)
The only real snag is that index of his baptism. We don't even know if it is the index from the original parish record. Mistakes were frequent when they copied them to send up the ladder. Somewhere in rootschat I have an old post about exactly this problem, and someone managed to find an image of the originating church record, which showed the real date of birth, as opposed to the image I had from higher up the hierarchy of the church.
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Have you looked at the original of George birth as it is after 1855 it will show you where he was born what you see on the index is only the parish it was registered
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I have the a copy of the original birth registration where Andrew is the informant which shows George was born at 4pm on 18 November 1856 in the Parish of Skene. The house name is hard to read but I think it is Auchinclech which was a farm steading in Skene.