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Title: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Wednesday 22 May 19 05:46 BST (UK): I'm trying to find out the names of the parents of the Thomas Keating who died 24 February 1905 in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. According to the 1900 census he was born in Ireland in March 1830 and emigrated to America in 1850.

I'm not familiar with US records. Are there any that would give me the names of his parents? I have a possible match with the Thomas Keating who was baptised 16 March 1830 in Fedamore Limerick.

Jan
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: amondg on Wednesday 22 May 19 08:16 BST (UK): 1870 census Pittsburg Ward 10 (transcribed as Hating s/b Keating)

Thomas 40 lab. born Ireland
Anne 30 born Ireland
John age 1 born Pennsylvania
Maryann age 1/12 born Pennsylvania (May)

Her birth is recorded on her death cert. as 5 June 1870, the census was taken June 1st.

Still looking for marriage certificate
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Wednesday 22 May 19 08:30 BST (UK): Thanks amondg. Do you mean Maryann died on 5 June 1870?

Would the marriage or death certificate for Thomas have his parents' names?
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: amondg on Wednesday 22 May 19 09:01 BST (UK): Maryann was born 5 May 1870 not as recorded 5 June 1870 she married ? Ryan

She is listed as Mary in 1880.

Do you have the death certificate for Thomas Keating, if his parents names were known they
will be listed.
Same goes for his wife Ann Garry.
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Wednesday 22 May 19 09:10 BST (UK): Thanks again, amondg, I was confused about Maryann.

I didn't know the name of Thomas's wife so thanks also for that.

Good to know the parents' name might be on Thomas's death certificate - I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Wednesday 22 May 19 09:39 BST (UK): Found Thomas's death cert - alas, parents unknown :-(

Also it gives his age as 69 yrs 4 months 23 days on 24 Feb 1905, making a birth date of 1 Oct 1835. But that doesn't match the March 1830 birth date he gave on the 1900 census. I think that info would be more reliable? Or is that just wishful thinking?!
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 09:55 BST (UK): Sorry - this was no help.............. :-\

The Pittsburgh Press Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 26 Feb 1905, Sun - Page 15

https://tinyurl.com/y4nqhyao

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Wednesday 22 May 19 10:02 BST (UK): Thanks Sandra, good to have :-)
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: amondg on Wednesday 22 May 19 11:12 BST (UK): The name of Thomas' wife is from the death certificates of the daughters , Mary married Ryan, Ellen (Nellie) married Barrett, and Catherine (Katie) married Booth.

If you have seen the 1900 census then you know Thomas and Ann had 5 children 3 still living as of 1900. So there is another child born after Catherine or between Ellen and Catherine.
John born 1868/1869 has died before 1880 census.

Thomas consistently gives his birth year as 1830 and Ann 1842, it could be that the person giving the details at time of death got it wrong but 6 years is a lot. Ann says she was born 1842.
On Find a Grave. parents Thomas 1836-1905, Ann 1844-1904 and Catherine 1876-1903 share the same headstone. So who ever gave the details at death also had the headstone put up.

I would try to find the records of the Catholic Church closest to where they lived and see what is recorded there. You may find the 5th child and godparents are for the most part near relatives that could widen your search.

ADDED I once contacted a Catholic Church in Ohio and gave them as much information as I had and they kindly looked up the baptisms for me.
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Wednesday 22 May 19 12:02 BST (UK): Amondg, thanks for putting the family together. I think I found the missing child: Blanche, born 7 August 1878 in Pittsburg, father Thomas Keating, mother Annie Keating.

Yes I agree 6 years is a big difference in birth year but I keep coming back to the info Thomas gave himself. Thanks for finding the headstone :-)

Good idea about the church baptisms, although if it's the Thomas Keating I have, he probably emigrated by himself. I'm still looking for his emigration details. One that stands out is an arrival in New York on 2 August 1850 on the Kingston from Dublin. This Thomas Keating is described as a labourer (fits with census entries), aged 21.
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 12:14 BST (UK): Katie nee Keating Booth

Pittsburgh Daily Post Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 30 Oct 1903, Fri - Page 9

https://tinyurl.com/yxgr8wtp

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Wednesday 22 May 19 12:30 BST (UK): Thanks Sandra, interesting spelling of Keating :-)
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 13:18 BST (UK): I have dyslexic fingers like that, which love to type the letters the wrong way round ;)

FIND A GRAVE for Mary Ryan just in case you haven't come across it.

1870 - 1926

Calvary Cemetery Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/123344767

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 13:20 BST (UK): Obituary Mary J Ryan

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 2 Jun 1926, Wed - Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31813002/mary_j_ryan/

Pittsburgh Daily Post Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 2 Jun 1926, Wed - Page 9

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31813051/mary_j_ryan/

Pittsburgh Daily Post Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 2 Jun 1926, Wed - Page 22

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31813077/mary_j_ryan/

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Wednesday 22 May 19 13:34 BST (UK): I have dyslexic fingers like that, which love to type the letters the wrong way round ;)

Me oto!!

Thanks for the obits and cemetery refs - it's great to have all this info on these Keatings. :-)
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 13:47 BST (UK): Sorry its not helping with the original question but it might help fill out info on the families.

Vera F Ryan - daughter of Mary J nee Keating Ryan and William

The Pittsburgh Press Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 27 Feb 1953, Fri - Page 30

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31813373/vera_f_ryan/

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 14:55 BST (UK): James T Ryan

The Pittsburgh Press Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 10 Nov 1953, Tue - Page 43

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31814685/james_t_ryan/

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 15:08 BST (UK): Hilda M Ryan

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 4 May 1970, Mon - Page 34

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31815009/hilda_m_ryan/

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 15:31 BST (UK): There was a couple of people mentioned in the obituary for Hilda Ryan - a few details below in case you wish to investigate those further....................could we get back to Thomas Keating or Anna Garry from here ???

First one was Robert Kenaan - Robert A Kenaan Snr -

News Record North Hills, Pennsylvania 11 Nov 1992, Wed - Page 9

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31815278/robert_a_kenaan_snr/

FIND A GRAVE

1912 - 1992

Christ Our Redeemer Catholic Cemetery Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania

next was Violet Hubenthal......................

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania - 2 Mar 1984, Fri - Page 3

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31815345/violet_scanlon_hubenthal/

FIND A GRAVE

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/117854820

So the connection seems to be the Scanlon family -

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 15:32 BST (UK): Eleanor Scanlon Kenaan ( sister of Violet Scanlon Hubenthal - wife of Robert Anthony Kenaan)

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 28 Jul 1998, Tue - Page 15

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31815609/eleanor_scanlon_kenaan/

The parents of these two sisters were John Scanlon and Violet Murphy. Parents of Violet Murphy were John Murphy and Ellen Heinz according to death cert.

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 16:26 BST (UK): Thomas and Anne Keating were living on Penn Avenue with Walter and Catherine Booth in 1900 (as mentioned earlier)

Penn Avenue - Pittsburgh Ward 12, Allegheny, Pennsylvania.

Thomas Keating   70
Walter Booth   24
Catherine Booth   24
Annie Keating   58

Violet I Murphy (later Scanlon) is living at Penn Avenue with some other sisters in 1910

Penn Avenue Pittsburgh Ward 2, Allegheny, Pennsylvania 1910

James Carr   38
Annie Carr   37 (possibly called Frances Murphy)
James Carr   9
Lawrence Carr   5
Margurite Carr   1
Dennis Carr   85
Ellan Carr   83
Elizabeth Murphy 40 sister-in-law.
Mary Murphy   38 sister-in-law.
Violet Murphy   25 sister-in-law. (later to be Scanlon)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MG3M-SXY

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 17:33 BST (UK): Looking at the death certificate for Elizabeth Murphy - single - aged 63 years - died 9 May 1936 Pittsburgh PA
parents were Timothy Murphy and Ellen Hines (attachment below) - Mrs John Scanlon (Must be Violet) was the informant - 5342 Kincaid Street Pittsburgh PA.

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 17:41 BST (UK): Obituary Elizabeth Murphy -

The Pittsburgh Press Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 11 May 1936, Mon - Page 33

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31819008/elizabeth_murphy/

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 17:46 BST (UK): Annie Carr on that 1910 census was Frances Carr -

Pittsburgh Daily Post Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 2 Sep 1926, Thu - Page 20

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31819108/frances_carr/

Pittsburgh Daily Post Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 3 Sep 1926, Fri - Page 17

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31819180/frances_carr/

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 18:12 BST (UK): Also mentioned in the obituary for Elizabeth Murphy was another sister Margaret Gallagher.

Margaret A Gallagher - 2115 Liberty Avenue 10 March 1939 Pittsburgh PA. Margaret was widowed.
Burial St Marys Cemetery. Informant was M (?) Scanlon. Parents Timothy Murphy and Ellen both born Ireland.

FIND A GRAVE

Margaret Murphy Gallagher 23 September 1861 - 10 March 1939

Saint Mary Catholic Cemetery Lawrenceville, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
PLOT Section D Lot 102 Space 6

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157144700

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 18:19 BST (UK): Just posting this - in case I lose it later ::) There is a burial for Ellen Murphy born 1840 died 23 January 1895 - looks like Ellen was a widow who lived at 16 Eighteenth but lived on on Penn Avenue as a previous residence. (looks positive)

Saint Mary Catholic Cemetery Lawrenceville, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
PLOT Section D Lot 102

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/139204448

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 18:30 BST (UK): Mary Murphy - 1872 died 9 February 1938 Pittsburgh PA - Timothy Morphy (as transcribed on anc)
Mother Ellen Hines - informant Lawrence Carr - 5342 Kincaid Street Pittsburgh - burial St Marys

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 19:17 BST (UK): 1880 census Mc Geary's Row Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania.
If Ellen was widowed at this point - how does Violet born 1885 according to 1910 census fit in ???

Ellen Murphy   40 born Ireland. Widowed.
Mary J. Murphy   13 born PA
Fannie Murphy   11 born PA

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW6V-4S8

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 19:19 BST (UK): 1870 census Pittsburgh Ward 9, Allegheny, Pennsylvania.

Ellen Murphy 32 Washerwoman.
Margaret Murphy 9 born PA
Ellen C Murphy 7 born PA
Mary Jane Murphy 4 born PA
Fannie Murphy 2 months. Born PA

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZLH-5JT

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 19:22 BST (UK): 1880 census 851 Penn Avenue Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania.

Margt. Murphy 19 born PA. Single. Servant.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW6V-6T7

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 19:28 BST (UK): Quote from: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 18:12 BST (UK)

Also mentioned in the obituary for Elizabeth Murphy was another sister Margaret Gallagher.

Margaret A Gallagher - 2115 Liberty Avenue 10 March 1939 Pittsburgh PA. Margaret was widowed.
Burial St Marys Cemetery. Informant was M (?) Scanlon. Parents Timothy Murphy and Ellen both born Ireland.

FIND A GRAVE

Margaret Murphy Gallagher 23 September 1861 - 10 March 1939


Saint Mary Catholic Cemetery Lawrenceville, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
PLOT   Section D Lot 102 Space 6

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157144700

Sandra

1920 census 2115 Liberty Avenue Pittsburgh Ward 2, Allegheny, Pennsylvania.

Margaret Gallaher 52
John Gallaher   24
Walter Gallaher   22
William Gallaher   20

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M61D-9HJ

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 19:30 BST (UK): 1860 census Pittsburgh Ward 9, Allegheny, Pennsylvania.

Timothy Murphy   24 born Ireland. Rolling Mill Hand.
Ellen Murphy   22 born Ireland
Maryan Murphy   3 months born PA.
Joseph McQuan   50
Margeret McQuan 40
Margeret McQuan 9
James McKee   8

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX5X-SDT

Sorry, looks like its back to Ireland for the answer to your brick wall.......... :-\

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 20:02 BST (UK): There is a Timothy Murphy and family in Pittsburgh in 1850 Pittsburgh Ward 4, Allegheny, Pennsylvania but it says that Timothy was born PA. ???

James Murphy 60 - Catharine Murphy 50
Mary Murphy 23 Margaret Murphy 21 Catharine Murphy 19
James Murphy 17 Timothy Murphy 15 William Murphy 12

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Thursday 23 May 19 06:07 BST (UK): Wow! Thanks, Sandra, for so many pieces of the puzzle. After I've put them all together, I'll see if I can find any descendants. With any luck they might know something about Thomas Keating - even if he came from Limerick would help :-)
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: amondg on Thursday 23 May 19 08:24 BST (UK): Try the Catholic Church in Pittsburg PA. for the marriage of Timothy Keating to Ann Garry. They often have much more information than the protestant ones.
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 May 19 09:10 BST (UK): Quote from: *Sandra* on Wednesday 22 May 19 15:08 BST (UK)

Hilda M Ryan

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 4 May 1970, Mon - Page 34

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31815009/hilda_m_ryan/

FIND A GRAVE

Sandra

Back to the above obituary again ;)

The Pittsburgh Press Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 3 Jun 1973, Sun - Page 53

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31842529/henrietta_b_brehler/

FIND A GRAVE -Henrietta Brehler with parents George and Emma.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/151387799

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Thursday 23 May 19 09:11 BST (UK): Thanks for the tip, amondg :-)
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 May 19 09:13 BST (UK): 1930 census Harriet Street Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania.

Martin Brehler   61 Anne Brehler   45
Henrietta Brehler 25 niece.
Austin Reagan   30
Angelo Farelli   22
Farhat Sava   31

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCCQ-MFF

1940 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQNB-TQ2

Henrietta with her mother in 1910 -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MG3M-HCL

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 23 May 19 09:18 BST (UK): Anne A Ryan seems to be the Aunt of Marie Hannan and Henrietta Brehler mentioned in the obituries.

The Pittsburgh Press Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 8 Jan 1963, Tue - Page 30

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31842585/anne_a_ryan/

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Friday 24 May 19 00:57 BST (UK): Thanks Sandra, more pieces of the puzzle :-)

It's a pity there wasn't an obit for Thomas Keating saying he came from Limerick!
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 24 May 19 12:59 BST (UK): I did find this one for Ann Keating but it didn't help at all.......... :-\

The Pittsburgh Press Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15 Nov 1904, Tue - Page 19

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31875202/ann_keating/

Sandra
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: Jang on Saturday 25 May 19 13:00 BST (UK): Thanks for checking, Sandra :-)
Title: Re: Finding out the names of parents
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 25 May 19 14:07 BST (UK): No problem. Pleased to help

Sandra

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