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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: kay727 on Wednesday 22 May 19 11:17 BST (UK)
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According to census born 1883 fleetwood, on burial record names parents as Joseph and harriet, but gives them her married name, fairhurst, which assuming error. She is in Ince when married in 1905. Anyone come across her? Can't find her on Lancashire online records. Family originally from Derry I believe.
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She is in Ince when married in 1905.
The marriage was 1904
Freebmd
Marriages Jun qtr 1904
Fairhurst Thomas
Maguire Elizabeth Ann
Wigan 8c 78
LancashireBMD
MAGUIRE Elizabeth Ann
FAIRHURST Thomas
St. Mary, Ince Wigan & Leigh C20/2/426
and on lancsopc
21 May 1904 at St Mary, Ince, Lancashire
Thomas Fairhurst - age 36, occ Collier, Widower, abode 12 Ainscow Street
Elizabeth Ann Maguire - age 23, Spinster, abode 12 Ainscow Street
Groom's Father - John Fairhurst, occ Collier
Bride's Father - John Fairhurst, occ Collier as per transcript I have reported it
Witness: James Maguire; Catherine Donaldson
Married by Banns by: Thos. Taylor Vicar
Sorry, I added the last bit and crossed with Suzards post
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I can't find an Elizabeth Ann Maguire married 1905 however I have found this
from Parish records image
Marriage after Banns
21 May 1904 St Mary Ince in Makerfield
Thomas Fairhurst 36 widower occ Collier 12 ?????? St (sorry can't read it) father John Fairhurst
Elizabeth Ann Maguire 23 single 12 ????? St father Thos? (or John? very faint to read ) Maguire occ blacksmith
witnesses James Maguire and Catherine Donaldson
is this her?
Suz
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12 Ainscow Street
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Thanks, had got that off online Lancashire parish records, just trying to get picture of life pre marriage, grooms father down for both, want to clarify her parentage. Census said 1883, nearest is birth under fylde in 1882. Assume her parents were Irish migrants.
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The grooms father is down for both on lancsopc - clearly an error as Suz has viewed the image. I have reported the error to lancsopc.
What information does the 1911 census give
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so you had entered the marriage year as 1905 instead of 1904??
what do you mean "grooms father down for both"?
on marriage entry Thomas Fairhurst's father was John Fairhurst occ Collier and Elizabeth Ann's father was John or Thos Maguire occupation Blacksmith (not Collier)
witness James Maguire - possibly this is him in 1901
14 Baron ? Terrace Ince
John Maguire Head M 45 occ BLACKSMITH's striker Ireland
Ann wife 40 Ireland
Isabella daughter 18 Fleetwood
JAMES MAGUIRE son 16 lab in Coal Mune below ground Fleetwood
John son 13 Horwich
Josepine daughter 11 Horwich
Clara daughter 8 Wigan
Peter H son 6 Ince
Diane daughter 4 Hindley
Laura daughter 2
Joseph P son 3 Ince
the other witness is (I think) Catherine Bate who married hercules Donaldson in 1900 (1901 they are boarders with the Bate family in Ince)
wonder if james is related (or even a brother) to Elizabeth Ann???
Suz
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On Ancestry 1881 the family is transcribed as MAGINRE living in Newton. Elizabeth Ann is listed as ANN.
Maureen
EDIT: I mean the 1891 census. Sorry!
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what do you mean "grooms father down for both"?
It is how lancsopc have transcribed it. Both fathers are named as John Fairhurst occ Collier ;D
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On Ancestry 1881 the family is transcribed as MAGINRE living in Newton. Elizabeth Ann is listed as ANN.
Maureen
Just found 1891
51 Derby St Newton
John Maguire Head M 38 lab in Ironworks Ireland
Ann wife 31 Ireland
Fanny daughter 10 Fleetwood
James son 7 Fleetwood
ANN DAUGHTER 9 Fleetwood
John son 3 Horwich
Josephine daughter 1
Ellen Collins lodger widow 36 assistant at paper mill Ireland
Mary Collins lodger 5 Sutton
Margaret Collins Lodger 8mths
RG12 3070 9737
It looks very much like Elizabeth Ann used her middle name ???
Suz
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Elizabeth Ann burial record saids her father is Joseph, not John, her father in law is John fairhurst and he appears on.marriage parish record with james Maguire as witness, possible Joseph dead in 1905. John Maguire could be an uncle, a lot of Maguire births in fylde, including a James 2 years after Elizabeth ann. Thank you all.
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Her mother is Harriet, not anne. There was a sister Josephine though or aunt joss as my nan called her.
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When & where did Elizabeth die please.
It is unusual for a married lady to have her parents names rather than her husband's on her burial record. (by that I assume you mean the record of where she was buried rather than her death certificate)
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Elizabeth Ann burial record saids her father is Joseph, not John, her father in law is John fairhurst and he appears on.marriage parish record with james Maguire as witness, possible Joseph dead in 1905. John Maguire could be an uncle, a lot of Maguire births in fylde, including a James 2 years after Elizabeth ann. Thank you all.
I thought James Maguire would possibly be her brother -see my reply#6
possibly on the marriage image her father's name could be Josh (or Thos or John ) -very faint
Suz
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Yes, the cemetery records. Perhaps it's way to tie up birth and death records when people moved around so much. Seems regular policy with records seen for this cemetery.
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so when did she die please
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re 1891 & 1901
all the children including Ann who is registered as Elizabeth Ann have the mmn GRAHAM
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office
GRAHAM Ann Mary MCGUIRE John Old Fylde Register Office or Registrar Attended
the youngest child would also possibly fit "Aunt Joss"
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She died in 1919 after move to Rotherham in 1911. Her husband born in wigan so no premarital connections in yorkshire, guessing move was for work, being miners. No record of a joseph or Harriet Maguire in Rotherham, could have died at this point of remained in lancashire.
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Are you certain you have the right burial? There is also an Elizabeth Ann Fairhurst who died in 1919 inAshton in Makerfield age 32 which is slightly closer to her age in other records. (See lan-opc)
There are a few other deaths in the Wigan area but quite a bit later which fit with a birth in 1882
Have you got the death certificate to see who registered it?
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Thanks, had got that off online Lancashire parish records, just trying to get picture of life pre marriage, grooms father down for both, want to clarify her parentage. Census said 1883, nearest is birth under fylde in 1882. Assume her parents were Irish migrants.
Do you mean a census transcript has year of birth 1883? A person's age, not the year s/he was born, was recorded on a census. A year of birth on a census transcript is only an estimated year of birth, calculated from subtracting the person's age on census night from the census year. Census was usually held in Britain in March or April.
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Yes, it's definitely the right death. Not got certificate, but assume her husband would have as no record of parents having moved with her.
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Yes, it's definitely the right death. Not got certificate, but assume her husband would have as no record of parents having moved with her.
Sorry but Just struggling to match that burial with all the other details that have been posted. Elizabeth Ann Maguire mmn Graham born Fleetwood in 1882, a year which is consistent with all the information on the census returns, including 1911 in Ince and her marriage certificate. Why would she suddenly change to a birth year of 1888 on her burial which also has different parents names.
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There is a John Fairhurst aged 47 buried in 1911 abode 97 Downall green rd the same as the Elizabeth Ann buried in 1919.They are father and daughter after a census search.
Lee
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There is a John Fairhurst aged 47 buried in 1911 abode 97 Downall green rd the same as the Elizabeth Ann buried in 1919.They are father and daughter after a census search.
Lee
So that proves the 1919 one in Ashton does not relate to the OP
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The NBI gives the 1882 as the year of birth for the Elizabeth Ann FAIRHURST who died 1919 in Rotherham. ???
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Yes, the cemetery records. Perhaps it's way to tie up birth and death records when people moved around so much. Seems regular policy with records seen for this cemetery.
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How were you able to get the "cemetery records",please?
Information on death records can be slightly "iffy" depending on what the informant supplies.
Maureen
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Looked at burial records in archives and maps, also Elizabeth Ann is my great grandmother, so a lot of information from my nan, who was ten when she died. Cannot find any Joseph and Harriet Maguire in Fleetwood though, what census claimed is her birthplace, thomas, seems to be from Ince. Had a cousin do a lot of research on his side, and Elizabeth was second wife.
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Is this earlier post of yours also referring to the 1919 burial
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812307.0
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There's are 3 births in Rotherham with mmn Maguire ,Daniel 1915 ,Albert Edward 1912 and Cyril 1918. Are these yours.
Lee
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No, always known her married life, but was looking into her early years in lancashire. It's possible Joseph and Harriet were entered as parents by mistake or they came to Lancashire from another area for work.
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Daniel Fairhurst was buried 08/08/1919, in Moorgate cemetery, Rotherham,
His mother Elizabeth Ann was buried 24/09/1919 in the same cemetery.
From another thread
Lee