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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Pheno on Saturday 25 May 19 19:31 BST (UK)
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Hi, any chance of verifying whether
Eliza bp.1831 & Edgar Read bp. 1837 both born Donhead St. Mary, Wiltshire travelled to Australia. They He would probably have been with their his father John Read (c1800 England - 1862 Yass, NSW) and stepmother Mary Ann née Burridge (b. 1811 Wiltshire) who travelled on the Coromandel arriving 2 October 1838. I know that another child John Read (b.c.1832 in Donhead St. Mary) travelled with John & Mary Anne as he is noted on the Assisted Immigrant Passenger List. No mention of Eliza or Edgar.
There is a death of an Eliza Reed in 1898 in Adelaide. She is aged 66 (giving a birth year of 1832) and her father's name is listed as John Reed. This is a good candidate for my Eliza bp. 1831 but I can't find any record of her travel to Australia. I can't find any evidence of Edgar in Australia but neither can I find evidence of him or Eliza having remained in Wiltshire.
No experience of research in Australia so any help appreciated please.
Thanks, Pheno
Modified to reduce query to seeking Edgar only as Eliza is not in fact their child!
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I have looked at the passenger lists for Coromandel October, 1838, as I am sure you have also, and within all the information about the origins, occupations and parents of the people, there is not a mention of an infant travelling with them.
Child John completes the threesome.
Sue
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I agree with Sue, no Edgar listed on that passenger list. The digitised image is freely available via NSW archives.
If Mary Ann was Edgar's mum rather than his step mum, then perhaps he was still only being nursed by mum and not a separate 'costing' for fare calculations (meals, bed etc) if so, sometimes those infants were not individually listed by name .... but I have checked several Bounty databases ... cannot find Edgar READ b1837 arriving to NSW.
Pheno, can you re-check, please, do you have your Edgar in NSW ...
:D
JM
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Hi Pheno,
There is an article about inquest on a John Reed who died in Yass in 1862
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article102584678 Could this be your man?
There is also a probate packet for the John Reed who died in 1862
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/231033
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/series/13660
I can photograph this for you next time I am at the archives. It may have a death certificate and will have his will and details of his heirs, so may give more info about Edgar.
Ros
modified to correct link
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Thanks sparrett, majm & rosball.
Yes that is our man who died in Yass in 1862 and although I have seen that newspaper article I have not had sight of the death certificate so a copy of that would be very useful thanks.
Have searched NSW as much as I have been able and have not found any reference to an Edgar Read so he may not have reached Australia. However there is no sight of him having remained in England either so maybe he died young although haven't found a death record either.
Regards, Pheno
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I recall civil registration started in England/Wales 1837 but I wonder if Edgar may have succumbed as an infant and no one understood the process to register his death ... is it likely he is buried with his mum?
JM
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You may be right majm. His mother was buried in Donhead St. Mary on 19 July 1837. Edgar's baptism had taken place in Donhead St. Mary on 23 April 1837. I presume she succumbed as the result of childbirth and maybe he was just so sickly he didn't survive.
His father John remarried on 10 Jan 1838 and arrived in Australia on 2 October that year.
Anyway thanks for looking.
Pheno
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Start date 1 July 1837, civil registration for E & W
http://www.sog.org.uk/learn/help-getting-started-with-genealogy/guide-three
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NSW Archives
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4784&ship=Coromandel
JM
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Thanks. Looks like Edgar must have died as he didn't make the trip.
Pheno
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This doesn't help at all in finding Edgar but I have a couple of theories
1. As already suggested he may have died in 1837 before registration was compulsory. As his baptism was recorded late in April 1837 his birth would have been before compulsory registration. If he had died, though, I would have thought he would have been buried at Donhead and for the burial to have been recorded, especially as he had been baptised.
2. As Edgar was almost certainly only a baby when his mother died I wondered if he may have been cared for by someone else, and perhaps his surname changed. I had a look and could not see any child with forename Edgar anywhere in the 1841 or 1851 census who could be him.
Seems most probable that he died as a baby.
There is a page on Ancestry which lists emigrants leaving the Donheads from 1788 to 1923. The entry for 1838 mentions:
John Read and Mary Ann Burridge, and John, son of John's prev marriage. - no mention of Edgar.
I found it interesting that a number of people with surname Ingram and/or Read were on this 1938 list (John's first wife being an Ingram):
Henry Ingram and Jane Chant and 3 children
Rice (sic) Ingram and Jane Haskell
Charles Read (according to Ancestry, probably brother of John Read) and Louise Ingram (arr Oct 1838, per John Mclellan)
Thomas Bugden and Elizabeth Read and 2 children
Judith
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Hi Judith,
Thanks very much for your post. I have seen several passenger lists but not the one you mention, which very specifically indicates that John is a son from a previous marriage. So that is very helpful and confirms that he is definitely the one b.c1833 to John Read and Sarah Ingram. Which record collection is it in, please, as I can't seem to find it on Ancestry when I do a search?
I'm not sure of the connection between Sarah Ingram and the Louise/Louisa Ingram who married Charles Read (although there must be one - too much of a coincidence otherwise). I expected them to be sisters but they aren't. However, I do know that Rice Ingram is Louisa's brother...perhaps Henry is as well. My interest is mainly in the Read family, rather than the Ingram family, so I have not researched them extensively. I must say, I have never known a village quite like Donhead St Mary for families intermarrying!
I think I have to conclude that Edgar died young. I'm not surprised that I can't find a death registration for him because, as you say, it could well have occurred prior to compulsory registration. I am more surprised that there isn't a burial record, but it could just be that it has not been transcribed. Anyway, I am fairly comfortable assuming that he died young even without this confirmation.
Kind regards,
Pheno