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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Smileytooth1 on Sunday 26 May 19 20:09 BST (UK)
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Good evening,
I am trying to track down information relating to my grandfather:
Walter John Lodge born 1907 - Romford,
joined the army 05/1926, Regiment of royal artillery. DOB: given 05/01/1907, in Parish of Ilford, county of mid Essex, his discharge: Private Walter John Lodge, 1st Battalion, South Wales Bordered, date of discharge 26/07/1926 DOB given 28/02/1907, Army no: 3906497.
Cannot find any trace of him on the census. believe his mother to be Lilla Emma Lodge, born 1886 Dunmow, died 1912, although there is a record for Lily Emma Tribe, same details married to a William John Tribe - having child Walter John Tribe same information relating to Walter J Lodge.
On researching it appears he was brought up by the Braintree Guardians and put out to work in Wales, stating he had no parents.
Any information that may help I would love to hear. my mother is keen to find out, he sadly died in 1945 when mum was 2 and my nan never gave any information away regarding his upbringing.
Kind regards
Tania
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William J Tribe married Lily Lodge March qtr 1909 Romford reg district. 4a 461
Walter is with them on the next census
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I have found this just not sure if Walter Tribe is same as Walter John Lodge, its confusing 😊
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Greetings, and a warm welcome to Rootschat.
I checked on the General Register Office index and couldn't find a Walter LODGE (or TRIBE) born in Essex from 1906 to 1908.
It may be necessary to order the marriage certificate of William TRIBE and Lily LODGE to see what her father's name was. (It is possible that LODGE was not her maiden name).
Philip
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I agree with Philip you will need to get that marriage cert to see what it says.
There is this illegitimate birth
BROWN, WALTER JOHN -
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 551
And I cannot find this Walter John Brown subsequently (although at least two others with that name were born that year, bit not in Essex)
But I also cannot see a Brown/Lodge marriage that might work.
What did your grandfather put on his own marriage certificate for his father? Anything?
I presume the information you have about Braintree Guardians etc you got from that newspaper article about stealing the bike?
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On my grandfather's marriage certificate it states "father" uknown.
The marriage between William Tribe + Lily Tribe state they have been married 3 years, yet on the cenus for the family Walter is on there at aged 4 years old, so clearly there's no hiding that he wasn't born in that marriage!
The mention of Walter Brown?? - I do have search for Lilla E Lodge/with parent G Brown Crane, my nan always said that Walter was born by Lilla getting herself into trouble/pregnant by head of the house, so this could be another link!!
I have got the newspaper articles about stealing bike, and there is another one on Walter J Lodge for cruelty to kicking + killing a dog.
My brain is bamboozled at trying to tie all the pieces together :(
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I have attached from what I have found on Ancestry: Walter John Tribe, it seems correct with the Lily Emma (Tribe) 1885-1912 being Walter's Mother, who I believe to be Lilla Emma Lodge.
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Walter John BROWN (no mother's maiden name on the GRO index) whose birth was registered March quarter 1907 in Romford is a candidate. However, the information on the Ancestry timeline does not fit - a birth date of 4 Nov 1907 would mean a birth registered in Dec qtr 1907 or Mar qtr 1908. It is of course unwise to take information on trees posted online at face value unless they are supported by proper documentation. The original post states that Walter John gave his birth date as 5 Jan 1907 which would fit with a Mar qtr 1907 registration.
I had a look on FreeBMD to see if there were any Walter BROWN deaths between 1907 and 1911 which could relate to the Romford birth - no deaths for Walter John, about a dozen for Walter but none in Romford.
To be certain, we would need to check all the Walter BROWN deaths on FreeBMD to match them against births. If the Walter John registered in Romford 1907 can be proved not to have died, and if he cannot be found on the 1911 census or a passenger list between 1907 and 1911 this would strengthen the case. To confirm or refute him the final step would be to order his birth certificate - if his mother is named as Lilla (or any variation) this would be strong evidence.
Philip
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Good evening.
Is there a way of finding information relating to Braintree Poor Law Union, (Superintendent of Children's Home)
I am trying to trace my grandfather: Walter John Lodge, born 1907 (Romford) - my nan said he was bought up in an orphanage, I always thought Dr Barnardos but I now have a lead of Braintree Guardians.
Any information I can piece together would be great. His mother is Lilla E Lodge.
Walter died 12th December 1945 Hitchin, Baldock - There is no census on his birth that I can find.
He was enlisted: May 1925 as Private Lodge, 1st Battalion, South Wales Borderers, army no: 3906497 Regiment of Royal Artillery, and was later discharged 26/07/1926 due to being medically unfit.
If anyone can help or point me in the right direction for my search, it would be very much appreicated.
Kind regards
Tania
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Welcome to Rootschat Toothfairy :D
I cannot find any birth registration for a Walter or Walter John Lodge between 1900 and 1911. Nor can I find anything that looks like his mother on the 1911 census.
There doesn't seem to be any information on Find My Past about Walter's enlistment in 1925. Did you access any image for his military enlistment? Sometimes there are family details on the original image which can be helpful.
Records relating to the workhouse can be found at the Essex Records Office but whether any of them would be of any help I can't say.
They have a register of births which covers the years 1866 to 1914 - Ref G/Br W21
What do you know about his mother other than her name? When and where was she born? Did she marry at all or is Lodge her married name?
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Have you found him on the 1939 register which should show his exact date of birth?
If his mother was still alive then you can look for her also, it might help.
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There's a Lilla Emma Lodge born 1886 Dunmow Essex - could she be mum?
Parents Charles & Sarah
At home with them and siblings in 1891/1901.
Just noticed there is a 1 year old son in 1891 called Walter John so your Walter John named after him perhaps.
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It may help toothfairy to know that Smileytooth1 posted some info about Walter last year
topics now merged
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It may help toothfairy to know that Smileytooth1 posted some info about Walter last year
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813455
And well done to Mo on the now defunct WDYTYA forum :( for previously finding the mention of Walter and the Braintree Board of Guardians in the newspapers.
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This is the birth record for the youngest child on the 1911 on which Walter appears
TRIBE, ELSIE MAUD LODGE
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 569
I suspect Walter may not have had his birth recorded.
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Is this therefore Walter's marriage as Tribe?
Marriages Mar 1932
Stanton Lilian M Tribe Islington 1b 527
Tribe Walter J Stanton Islington 1b 527
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I have asked the Moderators to merge both of Tanias threads to save duplication
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So this is Lily/lilla's marriage to William
Marriages Mar 1909
LODGE Lily Romford 4a 461
TRIBE William John Romford 4a 461
As you can see two years after Walter was born.
There was a postem attached to this marriage:-
William John Tribe 30 Widower Labourer 7 Morgans Quay so Samuel John Gas Stoker m Lily Lodge 22 S Same address do George Farm Labourer @ St Margarets Barking on 17 1 1909. Wit by Charles Deftoand & Sarah Ann Lodge. TRIBE ONS.
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Thank you for your replies, your correct in that there was a previous post. I have resumed searching, hoping for some new leads or information.
The Lily/William post about marriage could be something, the witness Charles and Sarah are Lilla Emma Lodge's parents. Could the Walter I'm looking for in fact then be a tribe??
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I really hope that I can with help figure out the missing pieces of the puzzle. It's so frustrating.
Is there information that can be obtained from South Wakes Borderers and army number, I have his records that can be attached if it helps.