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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: betton39 on Monday 27 May 19 11:06 BST (UK)
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It would be fair to say this lady has drove me crazy for many a year.
If you search roots chat you will found numerous posts trying to nail her. It was with grateful thanks to the awesome researchers on the limerick section of the group. I have finally found her.
You see Louisa likes to lie and defraud people.
I have found a few court cases all around Uttoxeter, obtaining goods under false pretence s from shop keepers, which seems to be her "modus operandi "
HOWEVER.....
IN the Derbyshire advertiser on the 16th September 1853, in the Staffordshire petty sessions, whilst being prosecuted for obtaining goods under false pretence s from Michael Deaville, which she is sentenced to a prison, she yet again throws me a curve ball!!
IN the newspaper article straight underneath
"THE SAME LOUISA ELKS VS RICHARD WHITEHURST, of Rochester in order of bastardy, order made for 1s 3d a week on account of the girls imprudence".
How can I find more information on this,?
Did it actually happen or is it another lie?
What happened to the child?
Thanks in advance.x
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Can you find a likely birth registration for the child?
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There are three 1852 +/- 1. Which appear to be illegitimate
ELKS, JOHN -
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 536
ELKS, ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in RADFORD Volume 07B Page 175
ELKS, LUCY -
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in CHEADLE Volume 06B Page 194
Added
Rocester is in the Cheadle reg district.
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Just to avoid unnecessary searching and posting here is the previous thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813363.
The references to Louisa begin pg 6 but there is a lengthy newspaper report in reply 30
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A Lucy Elks b abt 1852 is with her grandparents - William and Ann ELKS - in 1861 and her grandfather in 1871
1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M74R-DC9
1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5R6-Z9H
1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27V-X1Y2 Workhouse
But Louisa's father is James we think so can rule this one out
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She is perhaps Frances/Fanny’s daughter
Birth certificate would help.
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in the 1858 trial, when she was sent to prison, there was no mention of her having a child.
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I have found a Ann Elks dying in uttoxeter union workhouse aged 2 yrs. Buried 11th may 1855.
Louisa was in prison 12 months from 29th november 1854.
Have started searching for workhouse records for admissions.
I haven't found a registration for the child just the burial.
If the statement of the court is true, she did have the child. That was an earlier misdeeds before she met have a in 1857
Looking st the "limerick thread" and starting searching through ancestry. Her father died in 1839, I have found a death in the same place for a Hannah Shaw age 40 in Alton dying in the same year along with an infant , possibly childbirth??? Looks like she was an orphan, so possibly no one to look after the child whilst she was in prison
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Yes, I've been looking at that burial. I can't see a birth to match it
She was in prison almost continually from that first 3 month sentence end of October 1853.
Sentenced to 6 mths March 1854
Then 12 mths end of November 1854!
I was under the impresssion they took small children to prison with them... In prison anyway so no advantage to the authorities for them to be put in the workhouse?
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Where is Louisa in 1841?
added possibly the 9 yr old F.S. for Rowland PRATT at Ashbourne?
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I'm afraid this is my first venture into the criminal world, I've had poachers before but this is different.
I have had a few base born children in my ancestors but I've always found them in the family census, and their parents were semi law abiding. Lol.
I'm going yo have to slam the beakesbon for a few hours and do something.
What I have got from find my past...
Louisa Elks
Born: 4th March 1831 in Alton, Birmingham
Baptised 4th September 1831 st John's Alton
Daughter of James Elks and Ann Shaw
1851 in "Mammerton", in the village of Ramshorn, Longford.
Louisa Elks aged 21 a house servant
Newspaper DERBYSHIRE Advertiser 16th September 1853
Louisa Elks of Rochester, obtaining goods under false presencesfrom Michael Deaville, draper
"The same Louisa Elks vs Richard Whitehurst of Rochester an order of bastardy, order made for 1s 3d a week, on account of the girls imprudence.
Newspaper the Stafford advertiser saturday 29th october1853
Obtaining from William bunting at uttoxeter goods value £3 8s also mentions Michael Deaville
Prison record Stafford 17th October 1853 fraud 3 months
Prison record Stafford 7 March 1854 fraud 6 months
Prison record Stafford 29th November 1854 12 months
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Just before going shopping lol.
A quick scan has found 1 Louisa Elks
1841 census " Ellastone, Staffordshire
Charles Hall age 25 old , sawyer
Louisa Elks aged 9 farm servant
Both born In this county
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Just before going shopping lol.
A quick scan has found 1 Louisa Elks
1841 census " Ellastone, Staffordshire
Charles Hall age 25 old , sawyer
Louisa Elks aged 9 farm servant
Both born In this county
That is the one I think is right and I posted it on the other thread together with the 1851 you have now posted.
They are both in the same area.
It wouldn ‘t be much of a life being a 9yr old servant.
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Newspaper DERBYSHIRE Advertiser 16th September 1853
Louisa Elks of Rochester, obtaining goods under false presencesfrom Michael Deaville, draper
"The same Louisa Elks vs Richard Whitehurst of Rochester an order of bastardy, order made for 1s 3d a week, on account of the girls imprudence.
Newspaper the Stafford advertiser saturday 29th october1853
Obtaining from William bunting at uttoxeter goods value £3 8s also mentions Michael Deaville
Just pointing this out to avoid any confusion. It is Rocester (between Uttoxeter and Alton) not Rochester which is in Kent ;)
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I have fought like a lion today with predict a text.
I presume it is the one near Alton.
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I have found a younger brother for Louisa called Reuben , in 1861, as a farm servant, the family is called Orpe. A few tears earlier Louisa worked for them, apparently she disappeared from their house for a week ( apparently ill). So Mrs orpe took her to court