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Title: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: kirsty.foreman on Wednesday 29 May 19 19:20 BST (UK)
Hi can someone please help me I managed to find my 7th Direct ancestor on findmypast and myheritage
There name are Joseph green born Meriden warks and he's wife Ann Allen 1756 I no that Joseph and Ann 30th of April 1776 and Joseph died June 26 1809 and Ann died 1823. But I can not find the names of there mothers and fathers as I'm stuck and I would like a bit of help please thank you
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: chempat on Wednesday 29 May 19 20:14 BST (UK)
How do you know that 'Joseph green born Meriden warks'?
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: kirsty.foreman on Wednesday 29 May 19 20:41 BST (UK)
How do you know that 'Joseph green born Meriden warks'?
On findmypast website and myHeritage
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:16 BST (UK)
Where did the marriage and burials take place?

I would be cautious about trusting information from genealogy websites unless it is supported by reference to original documents.

Philip
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: kirsty.foreman on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:27 BST (UK)
How do you know that 'Joseph green born Meriden warks'?
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:34 BST (UK)
Their 1776 marriage was witnessed by Joseph Parker & Mary Green she made her mark (x)

Perhaps Mary is a relative

There’s this baptism

Joseph Green
Baptism date   03 Jul 1752
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Meriden
Father    George Mother Mary
County   Warwickshire


Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: kirsty.foreman on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:36 BST (UK)
Family tree part one.
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: kirsty.foreman on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:42 BST (UK)
Part 2 Rebecca born Green who got married to Thomas Byfield she is the daughter of Ann Allen and Joseph green
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:43 BST (UK)
There’s this possible marriage

George Green
Marriage date   28 Jun 1749
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Meriden
Mary   Keatley
County   Warwickshire
Document type   Parish registers
Warwickshire County Record Office
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: kirsty.foreman on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:52 BST (UK)
There’s this possible marriage

George Green
Marriage date   28 Jun 1749
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Meriden
Mary   Keatley
County   Warwickshire
Document type   Parish registers
Warwickshire County Record Office
hi there is there anything for Ann Allen mother and father as I can't find nothing but dead ends thank you
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:52 BST (UK)
There’s this death in Meriden for a Joseph Green born 1752

Joseph Green
Age   65
Birth year   1752
Burial date   21 Dec 1817
Church   St Lawrence
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Meriden
County   Warwickshire
Country   England
Record set   National Burial Index For England & Wales

Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: bevj on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:53 BST (UK)
FamilySearch has the original records for Meriden.  I can't see a burial for Joseph in 1809; where did he die?
I can't see a baptism for Ann Allen in 1756, but there are two Allen families having children in Meriden around the right time - Joseph and Ann Allen and John and Elizabeth Allen.

Bev
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 29 May 19 22:02 BST (UK)
I can’t find a baptism for Ann Allen in Meriden either  ???
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 29 May 19 22:04 BST (UK)
There’s this possible marriage

George Green
Marriage date   28 Jun 1749
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Meriden
Mary   Keatley
County   Warwickshire
Document type   Parish registers
Warwickshire County Record Office

This couple seem to have had eleven children.
FamilySearch lists Meriden baptisms with parents George and Mary GREEN:
John - 1 Feb (or Mar) 1750
Joseph - 3 Jul 1752
William - 12 May 1754
Mary - 14 Feb (or Mar) 1756
Martha - 16 Aug 1761
Edward - 14 Aug 1763
Ann - 5 Nov 1764
Jenney - 24 Feb 1766
Charles - 29 Sep 1767
Sarah - 23 Jan 1769
Mary - 20 Apr 1772
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 29 May 19 22:09 BST (UK)
There’s this death in Meriden for a Joseph Green born 1752

Joseph Green
Age   65
Birth year   1752
Burial date   21 Dec 1817
Church   St Lawrence
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Meriden
County   Warwickshire
Country   England
Record set   National Burial Index For England & Wales

There’s also this burial

Ann Green
Age   67
Birth year   1756
Burial date   17 Jun 1823
Church   St Lawrence
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Meriden
County   Warwickshire
Record set   National Burial Index For England & Wales
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: kirsty.foreman on Wednesday 29 May 19 22:19 BST (UK)
FamilySearch has the original records for Meriden.  I can't see a burial for Joseph in 1809; where did he die?
I can't see a baptism for Ann Allen in 1756, but there are two Allen families having children in Meriden around the right time - Joseph and Ann Allen and John and Elizabeth Allen.

Bev
ho this is why I'm at the dead end
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: chempat on Wednesday 29 May 19 23:52 BST (UK)
How do you know that 'Joseph green born Meriden warks'?

In your responses you have not quoted any original documents, just other people's unsupported research.

Where have you found the original information?

Death in Meriden does not mean birth in Meriden.
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: kirsty.foreman on Thursday 30 May 19 01:58 BST (UK)
How do you know that 'Joseph green born Meriden warks'?

In your responses you have not quoted any original documents, just other people's unsupported research.

Where have you found the original information?

Death in Meriden does not mean birth in Meriden.
hi I did say myHeritage and findmypast as that's where I got it from and as you can probably see I took stap shots of my family tree from myHeritage which is a DNA ancestry site for ancestry.
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: bevj on Thursday 30 May 19 19:37 BST (UK)
The problem is that there is no indication at all that those trees are correct.  People often make mistakes which are copied over and over again.
The original Meriden records, which you can browse for yourself, don't seem to support these 'facts'.
Bev
Title: Re: Joseph green and Ann Allen
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 15 June 19 03:21 BST (UK)
KIrsty, reply #4. You have burial of Ann Green at St Oswald, Winwick, and what looks like Lancaster on an excerpt from your family tree.
1. Winwick is not near Lancaster. It's in Lancashire, in the south-west of the county; Lancaster is towards the north of Lancashire.
2. I was puzzled why you think Ann might have died in Lancashire. I looked at entries in Winwick parish registers for  Green surname around that time on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website.
Burial St. St. Oswald, Winwick,  9th June 1823
Ann Green, widow, age 67; abode Croft

I viewed other Green entries and noticed at least 3 families with surname Green whose abode was Croft, including Thomas and Ann who had a daughter, Ann baptised 1803. A Thomas Green married Ann Burchell at St. Oswald's in 1780. That Ann might well have been in her 60s in 1823 and be the Ann Green who was buried there on 9th June.  A Thomas Green, aged 63, abode Croft was buried at St. Oswald 1819. He may have been Ann's husband.
Other Green men in the parish and nearby had wives called Ann.
I see that Ladyhawk has found a burial for Ann Green in 1832 in  Meriden which is far more likely to be correct than the one in Winwick. (Reply #14)