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Title: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: japeflakes on Wednesday 29 May 19 19:54 BST (UK)
The gentleman married twice but not sure if this is his first or second wife.  A date would help or a guess at his/her age.   They look well turned out. Front and back view
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: loobylooayr on Wednesday 29 May 19 20:37 BST (UK)
Hi,
I'm no expert, but going by photos in my own family, I would date the postcard/photograph to mid 1930s. The lady looks to be in her 60s....the gentleman , maybe late 60s/70ish?
They do look like a smart couple !

Looby :)

Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:11 BST (UK)
According to https://gohomeonapostcard.wordpress.com/companies/remington-margate-and-torquay/ "Hove Holiday Snaps were later operated by Remington (from their former Davigdor Road address) in the thirties."

Philip
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Jool on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:34 BST (UK)
Japeflakes, I did a double take when I saw your photo, I thought it was a couple I have in my tree, Samuel Edge and Harriet Newcombe.

Have a look at the photo in this link, second one down on the right "Samuel and his second wife, Hattie". 
http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/Museum/OtherTrades/EdgeShoes/edge2.htm

On closer inspection it is not the same couple but they do look quite similar.  If it helps date your photo, my couple were married in 1921 and Samuel died in 1934.
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:37 BST (UK)
Looking through my books, it is possibly between 1932 and 1938, when skirts became shorter again.

What are the dates of the two marriages?

Gadget
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Wiggy on Wednesday 29 May 19 23:12 BST (UK)
they look like my grandparents too!     ;D
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: japeflakes on Thursday 30 May 19 07:39 BST (UK)
Good morning all and many thanks for all your replies and information..  I think the gentleman was born in the 1860's and died around the 1940's. If I have it correct his first wife died in the mid 1920's but not got a date for the second marriage.  Any more clues ALWAYS welcome.   
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Wiggy on Thursday 30 May 19 07:53 BST (UK)
1930s is my guess - with the others.   ;)
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 30 May 19 08:35 BST (UK)
It would be the second marriage then. If you gave us some names and where they lived, we could check the date of the second marriage. It looks as if it might be a honeymoon pic maybe.

Gadget
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: loobylooayr on Thursday 30 May 19 09:02 BST (UK)
If the gentleman's first wife died in the 1920s then this photograph , in my opinion, is him with his second wife.
Going by the decade of birth you've suggested for him - 1860s - that would make sense too. Depending on the exact year of birth in the 60s - the man in the photograph is around 70 years old.

Looby :)
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: japeflakes on Thursday 30 May 19 16:26 BST (UK)
It would be the second marriage then. If you gave us some names and where they lived, we could check the date of the second marriage. It looks as if it might be a honeymoon pic maybe.

Gadget

Not my Grand parents but if second wife then could be

Annie Mulliner & Godfrey Furness... Derbyshire:   From this post  then dates seems around 1925-1935 for marriage.  If anyone could find the date etc that would be VERY helpful. Thank you in advance
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 16:35 BST (UK)
Godfrey J Furness
Registration Date:   Apr/May/Jun 1925
Bakewell
Derbyshire
Spouse:   Annie Mulliner
Volume Number:   7b
Page Number:   1980
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: japeflakes on Thursday 30 May 19 16:39 BST (UK)
Godfrey J Furness
Registration Date:   Apr/May/Jun 1925
Bakewell
Derbyshire
Spouse:   Annie Mulliner
Volume Number:   7b
Page Number:   1980

That looks good.   BIG THANK YOU.  Does it give any more info or?
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 16:54 BST (UK)
Godfrey John Furness
Reg Year:   1868
Quarter:   Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:   Bakewell
Derbyshire
Volume:   7b
Page:   607

This looks like his birth.
Both this and the marriage from GRO via Ancestry, so no more details from this particular source.

I can see him I think in the 1901 with a wife Isabella?

What do you have already about him?  Anything?
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 16:55 BST (UK)
Godfrey J Furness
Age:   79
Birth   abt 1869
Reg Date:   Jan/Feb/Mar 1948
[
Regdistrict:   Lichfield
County:   Staffordshire
Volume:   9b
Page:   227

And his death
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 17:00 BST (UK)
Godfrey is a Veterinary surgeon (retired) in the 1939 with Annie
Birth 29/4/1868

Annie's birth date was 11/3/1872
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 17:03 BST (UK)
The 1901 shows Godfrey and his first wife Isabella, aged 36 and born in Scotland, at 30 High Street Alfreton.
They have a son Godfrey G, aged 3, and a nephew and niece William E G Brown (17) and Mary E G Brown (19) both born in Wood Green, London, with them.
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 17:05 BST (UK)
As the 1901 suggests, Isabella's maiden name was Brown, as also noted on their son Godfrey Gordon Furness's birth ref, which is

FURNESS, GODFREY  GORDON     BROWN 
GRO Reference: 1898  J Quarter in BELPER  Volume 07B  Page 648

Added - I can see Godfrey Senior back with his parents in the censuses, so let me know what you need to know - or what you have already!
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 17:12 BST (UK)
And Isabella's death

Isabella Furness
Age:   58
Birth:   abt 1865
Reg Date:   Jan/Feb/Mar 1923
Reg district:   Belper
Derbyshire
Vol:   7b
Page:   768
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 17:15 BST (UK)
And it looks like their son Godfrey Gordon Furness was killed aged 19 in WWI

9/2/17  2nd Lt in Sherwood Foresters.

These things are so sad, aren't they.
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 17:20 BST (UK)
They also had a daughter Jean Margaret Gordon Furness, born c 1904.

She was living in Scotland after her mother's death - shown in Edinburgh Electoral Registers at 9C Saunders Street, Edinburgh 1935/6
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: japeflakes on Thursday 30 May 19 17:57 BST (UK)
This is great. You are doing really well and the info is very helpful. Amazing what RootsChat can do!

And all from a photo I have borrowed. 
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 30 May 19 18:23 BST (UK)
If they married in 1925, I don't think it's honeymoon. It's probably a holiday in Hove in circa 1935. Those lovely lines in the dress were typical of that time - see the wedding pics of Duke of Windsor's wedding to Mrs Simpson  :)
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 18:49 BST (UK)
This is great. You are doing really well and the info is very helpful. Amazing what RootsChat can do!

And all from a photo I have borrowed.

And the names and possible dates!
Also helped by relatively unusual surname.  If it'd been Smith, it'd have been a different story.

Gordon and Isabella were also at High Street, Alfreton in the 1911.  They say they've been married 14 years, with 2 children (Gordon and Jean) both living.
Can't see their marriage - perhaps it was in Scotland.

Going back to Godfrey's family -
in the 1891 he is with his father and mother Samuel and Jane.  Samuel is a farmer, and the address is Highfield, Stoney Middleton, Derbyshire.
With the family are the children Gordon J, Matthew B, Gertie S, Amy A. 
Godfrey is 22, but shown simply as Farmer's Son.

Samuel Furness was born in Hope, Derbyshire in c 1831, and wife Jane (nee Barnsley, from son Godfrey's birth ref on GRO) also in Hope in c 1836.








Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 18:52 BST (UK)
In the 1881 the family are at the same farm.  This time there's more details about Samuel - he's a farmer of 264 acres, employing 1 man.

More children shown with the couple:
Samuel Furness   50
Jane Furness   45
Georgiana Furness   23
George B. Furness   20
Peter Furness   17
Matthew B. Furness   14
Godfrey J. Furness   12
Gladstone Furness   11
Margaret B. Furness   9
Gertrude S. Furness   7
Amy A. Furness   4
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 19:06 BST (UK)
by the way, I've not given the census refs, please let me know if you'd like these
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: heymin on Thursday 30 May 19 20:42 BST (UK)
Hi, Godfrey and Isabella were married in Fetteresso(Stonehaven) in 1897. Info from Scotlandspeople.

Brian
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: japeflakes on Thursday 30 May 19 20:53 BST (UK)
This is BRILLIANT. The owner of the photo is going to be amazed. The are not on the internet!
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Thursday 30 May 19 21:11 BST (UK)
It is amazing what you can do these days on the net.
I speak as one who - after having a little look at these lovely people for you (such a great photo!) - has been trying to sort out a DNA match with someone who has a private tree with just one person on it.

I am, so far, back to 1818 with a gx3 grandparents on one line.  It's taken me about an hour.

However, not always so easy, as we all know......
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Fresh Fields on Thursday 30 May 19 21:22 BST (UK)
Hello from NZ.

If you find a branch of FURNESS members emigrated to New Zealand, feel free to contact me as I could arrange an introduction. There are only 48 listings for that surname in the NZ telecom white pages.

A number of whom I know of as successful Waikato farming pioneers, including Blueberry production and leading produce grading equipment.


Alan.
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: japeflakes on Thursday 30 May 19 21:31 BST (UK)
Hello from NZ.

If you find a branch of FURNESS members emigrated to New Zealand, feel free to contact me as I could arrange an introduction. There are only 48 listings for that surname in the NZ telecom white pages.

A number of whom I know of as successful Waikato farming pioneers, including Blueberry production and leading produce grading equipment.

Thanks for that. I have found an Australian link but not NZ.



Alan.
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Jool on Thursday 30 May 19 21:35 BST (UK)
And it looks like their son Godfrey Gordon Furness was killed aged 19 in WWI

9/2/17  2nd Lt in Sherwood Foresters.

These things are so sad, aren't they.

Found this in the newspapers, so sad, he looks so young.


Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Jool on Thursday 30 May 19 23:04 BST (UK)
Godfrey J Furness
Age:   79
Birth   abt 1869
Reg Date:   Jan/Feb/Mar 1948
[
Regdistrict:   Lichfield
County:   Staffordshire
Volume:   9b
Page:   227

And his death


Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Jool on Thursday 30 May 19 23:13 BST (UK)
Here's a photo of Dower House, Bonehill, as mentioned in the above will.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lichfield_gis/15414951027
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Jool on Thursday 30 May 19 23:21 BST (UK)
Hi, Godfrey and Isabella were married in Fetteresso(Stonehaven) in 1897. Info from Scotlandspeople.

Brian


Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: japeflakes on Friday 31 May 19 06:41 BST (UK)
I don't know where you are getting it all from and how long it has taken you all but the end results are fantastic.  Thank you,,  So sad about the son as well.  A*'s all round
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: IgorStrav on Sunday 02 June 19 20:55 BST (UK)
Just a few more details about the Furness family.

The photograph shows, of course, Godfrey John Furness, born 1868 in Taddington, Derbyshire.

Going back into his family, I mentioned his parents Samuel and Jane, and his siblings, in the 1881 and 1891 Census.
Samuel was a farmer, born c 1831 in Hope in Derbyshire.  Jane Barnsley Furness, his wife, also came from Hope.

Going back further in 1871 the family are at the same farm as previously, Highfield House in Middleton Stoney, Derbyshire.  The two youngest children, Godfrey (aged 3) and Gladstone (aged 2) are not there - they're staying with their grandparents, George and Hannah Barnsley, at Hazelbadge in Derbyshire, about 6 miles away.

George is also a farmer, of 100 acres, and was born in Derbyshire as was his wife Hannah.


It seems that Samuel Furness, Godfrey's father, comes from a line of farmers.  His father - James Furness - farmed Cartledge House Farm, in Great Hucklow.  Looking at the 1851 Census, when James and wife Sarah are there with son Samuel (aged 20), daughters Margaret (18), Martha (17) and Sarah (12), the farm is said to be of 109 acres.

Samuel Furness and Jane Barnsley married on 4th October 1857 in Hope Parish Church (snip of the marriage certificate attached), and both could sign the register, which wasn't always the case at the time.

So both families were very strongly of Derbyshire

Japeflakes - reading in - I know you are sending through the details which everyone has found to the owners of the photo.  If they are interested in the family history, there will be more details to be found, and they should just ask here as I'm sure Rootschatters would be pleased to track down more information.

The farmhouses mentioned do seem still to be there if you google them - and if these were my ancestors, I would be very tempted to visit the villages mentioned, as not only is Derbyshire the most beautiful of counties, but the small villages will still have many of the original buildings.

I did myself go back to Eyam (not far away!) where a relative of my OH's was living at the turn of the 19th/20th centuries, and not only did I find where they had lived, the family name was still remembered in the local shop!  I'm sure the Furness name (and quite likely the Barnsley name) will still be there in the locations.






 
Title: Re: Trying to date these two but which wife?
Post by: Fresh Fields on Sunday 02 June 19 21:29 BST (UK)
Hello from NZ.

Edited ...Thanks for that. I have found an Australian link but not NZ.



If you do find a NZ link. When I started beef farming in the 1970's I was often at the cattle auctions with three brothers, their father and a number of their uncles. The one I had most contact with, decided to try growing Blueberries on their peat farm. The rest is history. Another case of NZ pioneering and innovative farmers.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/101796387/bbc-technologies-bought-out-by-norwegian-giant


Alan.