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Title: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Wednesday 29 May 19 21:12 BST (UK)
I'm working on my newly found Stuart ancestors and I need some help with James Stuart. It's a common name but he had some special titles and I just want to make sure I have the correct man and am not mixing him up with another man of the same name. I have ordered a Will hoping it will give some more information but until then this is what I have:

1.1784 - James Stuart was born 9 Jan 1784 at Gracehill House, Antrim, Ireland. His parents were James Stuart Esq. and Grace (probably Grace Lynd). Source: cadet papers from FindMyPast. The mother wrote a letter giving his date of birth and where he was baptized. The reverend of the church there signed an affidavit stating that he was the one who performed the baptism. The father also signed something stating that the information was correct

2.1835 - A son, Henry Benson Stuart, was born 20 Apr 1835 in Calcutta, India. The father's name and profession: James Stuart Major HCM Service and Deputy Secretary Military Department. Source: British in India baptisms from FindMyPast. No mother mentioned.

3. 1839 - Lieutenant-Colonel James Stuart succeeded Sir William Cassement as Military Secretary to Government in India. Source: newspaper article from FindMyPast

4. 1846 - James Stuart CB becomes Lieutenant-Colonel. Source: Newspaper article from FindMyPast

5. 1852 - Newspaper article refers to him as Colonel Stuart of the East India Company, at present Military Secretary to the Government of India, son of James Stuart Esq. Source: newspaper article from FindMyPast

6. 1851-1854 - stated as Colonel Stuart CB in son's Cadet papers; letter from his son in 1854 he is called Colonel J. Stuart CB, Secretary to the Government of India in the Military Department. Source: son's Cadet papers from FindMyPast

7. 1859 - dies 19 Jul 1859 at his home in Gracehill, Antrim, called Major-General James Stuart CB, for many years Secretary to the Government of India, Miltary Department. Ireland -Source: newspapers articles and Probate Calendar from FindMyPast and Ancestry

8. 1859 - son Henry Benson Stuart marries Isabella Louise Carter 17 Nov 1859 - father is down as James Stuart, occupation Major General

9. 1868 - son Henry Benson Stuart marries Anna Mary Bourke. Father: James Stuart, General CB

10. 1871 Death of Maria Stuart. Colonel Widows pension on FindMyPast states her as the widow of Major-General J Stuart CB who died 19 Jul 1859.

Sorry for the very long post and thanks for your input!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill; Stewarts in the Dobbs Report
Post by: LindeL on Wednesday 05 June 19 09:13 BST (UK)
Hello Benody
I too have just this spring got interested in Stewarts/ Stuarts, thanks to the Dobbs Report on the Hutchinson Bequest, recently re-published by Keith Beattie and a Hutchinson descendant. This fascinating list of 18th century names shows a marriage of a Stewart descendant to a Robert Taylor, who just might be my direct ancestor. Unfortunately might never be provable! unless with DNA. have you tested your DNA? send me a personal message if you have and we can see if we share anything, though at that distance it is unlikely in the current state of knowledge
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Wednesday 05 June 19 23:24 BST (UK)
Gracehill House at Dark Hedges Estate is located at 141 Ballinlea Rd, Stranocum, in Ballymoney civil parish, County Antrim. Its currently a golf club, wedding and corporate estate see http://www.gracehillhouse.com/history/   which outlines the amazing ancestry of  James and Grace[Lynd]  I think its also on facebook history. The history reference outlines the amazing ancestry of  James and Grace[Lynd] heres a short extract from that history
“It is believed that James undertook the construction of the house around 1775 and named it after his wife Grace (Lynd). James, like many of his ancestors was a fighting man raising a Yeomanry Corp, the 2nd Dunluce regiment who were heavily involved in the suppression of the 1798 rebellion. Life was not one totally of war and conflict but a sense of normality continued at Gracehill house and the surrounding lands. The house developed a sense of grandeur with the centrepiece being the planting of the beech tree drive leading to the house. The drive is no longer part of the Gracehill House estate but is known as the world famous ‘Dark Hedges’. It is one of the most photographed locations in Northern Ireland and has appeared in HBO’s Game of Thrones. It is through the ‘Dark Hedges’ that the resident ghost from Gracehill House is reported to roam. Commonly known as the ‘Grey Lady’, there are many stories as to her origin one of which is that she is James’s daughter Margaret, also known as ‘Cross Peggy’. Charles, another sibling of James stayed at home taking holy orders. Two of his sons followed in the footsteps of their military forefathers serving in the 39th Regiment with distinction in the Napoleonic wars with Spain in 1813-1814. It is at this stage that the Gracehill House story becomes a little less clear as the family with the royal connections have moved and settled across the globe and in the North American continent.”
the entire history needs to be read

Are you aware of Public Record Office for Northern Ireland PRONI Reference :D1238/3E
Title :   James Stuart, Stranocum House, Stranocum. Dates :   15 January 1914
Description :   James Stuart, Stranocum House, Stranocum. Form, O.T.1. This form gives a description of her [sic?]car and authorizes the government to use it whenever necessary. Printed.
is this   trackable through the PRONI  continuation valuation books that go up to
1921and further.
1861 looking at the published version of griffiths valuation for Stranocum see http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&PlaceID=43246&county=Antrim&barony=Dunluce,%20upper&parish=Ballymoney&townland=%3Cb%3EStranocum%3C/b%3Edated ....... there are no Stuarts but there is a James Stewart who rents 15 acres land at No 9 , but has no house buildind recorded,  The next property 9a is exempt. the school house. the only other stewart lives at No The Street Stanocum with a veru modest house valued at @1 pa   the landowner of all Strancum is a Wm F Hutchinson who owns sawmill bog and turbary outside the Street but has Corn and flax mills within the street .He lives at No11 outside the street with a house valued at £40 and also has 160 acres of land.  I noticed his name in ither townlandshas also 100 acres Could he be The Stuarts land  agent?

There are 21 names listed in 1825 Stranocum tithes applotment books but no Stuart or Lynd in http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/ballymoney-parish.php
in 1901 there are
2 in Ballyboyland Upper (Stranocum, Antrim)
Stuart   Robert   45   Male   Head of Family   Presbyterian   Co Antrim   Agricultural Labourer   Cannot read or write   -   Not Married   -
Stuart   Sarah   34   Female   Sister   Presbyterian   Co Antrim   House Keeper   Cannot read or write   -   Not Married   -

Have you used http://www.ballymoneyancestry.com/intranet_login.aspx?page_id=5&redirect_url=/ballymoney-family-searches.aspx
Is the family in any published books?

among your further notes  have you found a tombstone or church window dedicated to him after he died19 Jul 1859 at his home in Gracehill, Antrim,

 https://www.parksandgardens.org/places/stranocum-house says the house Stranocum HALL is currently empty however http://www.stranocumhall.com/History.htm says ITS BEEN REGENERATED and gives loads of Hutchinson family history inc the same militia
so I am now lost about finding Gracehill house in Stranocum 

possibly wasting your time my aplogies
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Thursday 06 June 19 00:22 BST (UK)
Thanks for all that! That's great. I've seen the bit about the history of Gracehill but not the rest. This is my first time working on Irish records so I'm completely lost.

I've seen in newspaper articles that there was a family vault in Derrykeighan. On James Stuart's cadet papers in 1804 or 1805 his mother Grace states he was born and baptised in Derrykeighan. I don't know anything about Irish geography.

I'll take a look at the websites you suggested.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill; Stewarts in the Dobbs Report
Post by: Benody1921 on Thursday 06 June 19 00:23 BST (UK)
Hello Benody
I too have just this spring got interested in Stewarts/ Stuarts, thanks to the Dobbs Report on the Hutchinson Bequest, recently re-published by Keith Beattie and a Hutchinson descendant. This fascinating list of 18th century names shows a marriage of a Stewart descendant to a Robert Taylor, who just might be my direct ancestor. Unfortunately might never be provable! unless with DNA. have you tested your DNA? send me a personal message if you have and we can see if we share anything, though at that distance it is unlikely in the current state of knowledge

Hi LindeL,

I've sent you a private message with my email address  :)
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Thursday 06 June 19 10:30 BST (UK)
Apologies, I have been looking in the wrong place
GRACEHILL HOUSE is 2 miles ne of STRANOCUM its in ARMOY CIVIL PARISH
DERRYKEIGHAN is a hamlet, civil parish and townland (of 161 acres) in County Antrim, Northern Ireland, 4 miles (7.5km)  N-NE of Ballymoney
Derrykeighan the hamlet is about 3 miles west of Gracehill house
1796 Flax Growers of Ireland, 1796 - County Antrim https://www.failteromhat.com/flax/antrim.php
Stewart              Alexander            Ballymoney         Antrim
Stewart             Charles              Derrykeighan       Antrim
Stewart             Daniel               Derrykeighan       Antrim
Stewart             Francis              Armoy              Antrim
Stewart             Robert               Derrykeighan       Antrim
Stewart             William              Ballymoney         Antrim
Stewart             William              Billy              Antrim
Stuart                James                Derrykeighan       Antrim
ARMOY CIVIL PARISH
1823-1837 Tithes Applotment Books
based upon the index work of the Irish Genealogy Hub’s
listing for each parish in Northern Ireland,
The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast
arranged by townland
Stuart, Chas.       Townland: Ballybregegh Year: 1832
Stuart, John       Townland: Ballykenver Year: 1832
Stuart, Mathew    Townland: Bellaney Year: 1832
Stuart, Luke       Townland: Carralaverty Year: 1832
Stuart, Alexr.            Townland: Moyaver Year: 1832
Stuart, Wm.       Townland: Moyaver Year: 1832
Stuart, Alexr.            Townland: Park Year: 1832
Stuart, John       Townland: Park Year: 1832
186x Griffiths valuation three sources 1. https://www.failteromhat.com for quick index.   2. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ for detail and map ref ..  3. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/valuation-revision-books since 186x
Stewart, Alexander   L: Cromaghs
Stewart, Alexander   L: Mill Five Acres (Armoy)
Stewart, Charles   L: Balleny
Stewart, Charles   L: Knocknahinch
Stewart, Charles   L: Mill Five Acres (Armoy)
Stewart, James   L: Moyaver Lower
Stewart, John      L: Moyaver Upper
Stewart, Matthew   L: Knocknahinch
Stewart, Patrick   L: Tureagh
Stewart, William   L: Kilcroagh
Stuart, James      L: Mill Five Acres (Armoy)
Stuart, John      L: Ballykenver

DERRYKEIGHAN CIVIL PARISH
1823-1837 Tithes Applotment Books
based upon the index work of the Irish Genealogy Hub’s
listing for each parish in Northern Ireland,
The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast
arranged by townland
Stewart, Archd.   Townland: Ballydivettys Year: 1827
Stewart, Hugh   Townland: Ballydivettys Year: 1827
Stewart, John      Townland: Ballyratachan Year: 1827
Stewart, John      Townland: Carncullogh ,   
Stewart, John      Townland: Lisnagatt Year: 1827
Stewart, Robt.   Townland: Carnfeeoge Year: 1827
Stewart, Robt.   Townland: Tullybawn Year: 1827
Stewart, Widow    Townland: Tullybawn Year: 1827
Stewart, Wm.      Townland: Ballyratachan Year: 1827
Stuart, H. I., Esq.   Townland: Balinafie Year: 1827
Stuart, H. J., Esq.   Townland: Carnkirne Year: 1827
Stuart, H. J., Esq.   Townland: Carracloughy Year: 1827
Stuart, H. J., Esq.   Townland: Chathamhall Year: 1827
Stuart, H. J., Esq.   Townland: Edraowan Year: 1827
Stuart, Henry J., Esq.   Townland: Gracehill Year: 1827
Stuart, Henry J., Esq.   Townland: Tullybawn Year: 1827

186x Griffiths valuation three sources 1. https://www.failteromhat.com for quick index.   2. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ for detail and map ref ..  3. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/valuation-revision-books since 186x
Stewart, Elizabeth   L: Ballyratahan Lower
Stewart, James           L: Ballyratahan Lower
Stewart, James           L: T: Dervock - Knowhead Street
Stewart, Jane      L: Dervock
Stewart, Jane      L: Dervock T: Dervock - Main Street
Stewart, John      L: Deepstown
Stewart, Robert           L: Carncullagh Lower
Stewart, Robert           L: Dervock
Stewart, Robert           L: Dervock T: Dervock - Main Street
Stockman, David   L: T: Dervock - Coleraine Road
Stockman, John           L: T: Dervock - Knowhead Street
Stuart, Charles G.   L: Ballyhibistock Lower
Stuart, Charles G.   L: Chathamhall
Stuart, Gen. Jas.   L: Carracloghy
Stuart, Gen. Jas.   L: Chathamhall
Stuart, Gen. Jas.   L: Gracehill

now thats better 

other sources become available eg familysearch useing correct parish name
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: LindeL on Saturday 08 June 19 19:14 BST (UK)
well thank you to everyone for this very useful gatherup of information on Stewarts, I do hope I can establish a relationship to at least some of them
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Saturday 08 June 19 19:53 BST (UK)


  .......he was born and baptised in Derrykeighan. I don't know anything about Irish geography.



DERRYKEIGHAN is a hamlet, civil parish and townland (of 161 acres) in County Antrim, Northern Ireland, 4 miles (7.5km)  N-NE of Ballymoney
Derrykeighan the hamlet is about 3 miles west of Gracehill house


Derrykeighan is in the Civil Parish of Derrykeighan, Co. Antrim.
Zoom in one click to see Derrykeighan as the name of the hamlet.

https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/dunluce-lower/derrykeighan/derrykeighan/

KG


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Sunday 09 June 19 10:06 BST (UK)
you mentioned a vault,  I am unable to check contents of
Association for the Preservation of the Memorials of the Dead in Ireland.
Journal : An index of the churchyards and buildings from which inscriptions on tombs and mural slabs have appeared in The Journal of the Association for the Preservation of the Memorials of the Dead in Ireland, from 1888-1908.
Imprint   Dublin : Univ. Press, 1909.

I found a ref to a tablet
https://archive.org/stream/ulsterjournalofa05ulst/ulsterjournalofa05ulst_djvu.txt
(4) I have seen a very interesting note in the handwriting of the late Charles G. Stuart, J. P., Ballyhivistock, wherein he traces his family to a Robert Stuart, a relative to James I., who obtained lands in the County Cavan at the Plantation. His grandson William raised at his own expense a regiment, still known as "Stuart's Regiment," which fought under William III., but the expenses of which the king never refunded. Rev. Irwin Stuart was his grandson, and the present Charles M'D. Stuart, is great grandson of the erstwhile curate of Derrykeighan. There is a tablet in the parish church " to the memory of Major-General James Stuart, C.B., after nearly fifty years of Indian service, during many of which he filled the arduous and responsible office of Military .Secretary to the Government. This veteran soldier returned to his native land, where, on the 19th July, i8s9, aged 75 years, he fell asleep, full of faith in the atoning blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The churches are
Church of ireland. Derrykeighan caution New parish church is at Dervock https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/ANT/Derrykeighan/DerrykeighanNewParishChurch Old  parish church is at Derrykeighan https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/ANT/Derrykeighan/DerrykeighanOldParishChurch
Benvarden Presbyterian
Dervock Presbyterian  inc Kilraughts and Dervock
R.P. Dervock and Ballymoney reformed Presbyterian
Roman Catholic are in RC Ballymoney records     
 then using google I found an Ulster Historical Foundation gravestone inscription reference for Stuart
https://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/gravestone-inscriptions/?search2=stuart&search3=&search4=derrykeighan&dropdown=Antrim&submit=Search
STUART   Derrykeighan CI   Derrykeighan    Dervock   Antrim   Log in Register 1 record 4 credits etc
Church of Ireland Church  231 Castlecat Road, Dervcock, Dervock

Someone is doing possibly connected research via Ulster Historical Foundation,
STUART and O'HARA   c1700-   Emigrated to India   16378 members number
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 09 June 19 11:13 BST (UK)
Wow! Thank you so much for all of that. That's incredible help to me. I will look through it all when I get a chance. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the help.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 09 June 19 21:00 BST (UK)
If I purchase credits to view that grave what information do you think I'll get with it? I have to be careful with how much money I spend on this family. I already paid for James's Will and codicils and it came back saying they don't have it. I don't know if they are giving me a refund or not.

I did a Google search for fun and on the Australian Library site there is a portrait of a Major-General James Stuart, CB. I don't know if it's my guy or if it's just a coincidence but I hope it's mine.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Sunday 09 June 19 21:15 BST (UK)
send an email in advance asking what detail you will get and how much the credit will cost you overall
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Fritz10 on Thursday 18 July 19 07:46 BST (UK)
I am also researching the Stuarts, for another project.
However, these Stuarts are very close cousins.
Henry Benson Stuart had a sister, Olivia. I don't have a birth date but on FindMyPast I found a marriage entry that is probably hers.
Calcutta, 1854. An Olivia Stuart married George Thomas Gowan.
The name is correct and so is the date - she would have been about 21 at this time.
I can find no entries for Gowan so would be delighted if someone else could.
My understanding is that Olivia, her husband and a child were killed in the Indian Mutiny in 1857.
It would be great to find out some more details... for a start I don't have any details about Olivia and Henry's mother, the wife of Col James Stuart.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Thursday 18 July 19 11:25 BST (UK)
Wow! That's really good to know. I've been searching for any siblings for HB Stuart but haven't had any luck.

That's very sad about Olivia. I'd love to learn more about her and her family. Do you have any links for her birth and/or marriage?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill; Stewarts in the Dobbs Report
Post by: Gilby on Friday 19 July 19 18:42 BST (UK)
Hello Benody
I too have just this spring got interested in Stewarts/ Stuarts, thanks to the Dobbs Report on the Hutchinson Bequest, recently re-published by Keith Beattie and a Hutchinson descendant.

Do you know if this is available online, or is it in print somewhere?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Friday 19 July 19 22:31 BST (UK)
I found a ref to a tablet
https://archive.org/stream/ulsterjournalofa05ulst/ulsterjournalofa05ulst_djvu.txt
(4) I have seen a very interesting note in the handwriting of the late Charles G. Stuart, J. P., Ballyhivistock, wherein he traces his family to a Robert Stuart, a relative to James I., who obtained lands in the County Cavan at the Plantation. His grandson William raised at his own expense a regiment, still known as "Stuart's Regiment," which fought under William III., but the expenses of which the king never refunded. Rev. Irwin Stuart was his grandson, and the present Charles M'D. Stuart, is great grandson of the erstwhile curate of Derrykeighan. There is a tablet in the parish church " to the memory of Major-General James Stuart, C.B., after nearly fifty years of Indian service, during many of which he filled the arduous and responsible office of Military .Secretary to the Government. This veteran soldier returned to his native land, where, on the 19th July, i8s9, aged 75 years, he fell asleep, full of faith in the atoning blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I have a copy of Dorothy Arthur’s Derrykeighan Old Church Graveyard.  Apparently the Stuarts are buried in the vault inside the church.  Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be a memorial stone attached to it.

I visited the graveyard about a year ago because I was interested in the Moore (or Stewart-Moore) vault which is just outside the church.  The Stuart vault has a stoned-up entrance visible on the outside with a small hole – I must admit I tried looking in but didn’t see much!

This is what Dorothy Arthur says about the Stuarts:

In 1760 William Ussher was Prebendary.  He was also Archdeacon of Glendalough, and the officiating minister in the parish was the Reverend Irwin Stewart, or Stuart, son of Henry Stuart, and was born in County Limerick in 1707.  He graduated in Trinity College, Dublin, in 1732, and is recorded in a Visitation as curate of Derrykeighan in 1759.

It is said that Mr. Irwin Stewart was Vicar of Dunluce as well as Curate of Derrykeighan.  He lived in the old rectory and died there.  He was father of Mr. James Stuart, of Gracehill, and great grandfather of Mr. Charles McDaniell Stuart, if Ballyhivistock.

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Friday 19 July 19 22:42 BST (UK)
Alumni Dublinensis:
STUART, IRWIN, Pen.  (Rev. Maurice Neligan), June 22, 1728, aged 20; d. of Henry, Generosus; b. Dunaman, Co. Limerick.  B.A. Vern. 1732.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Friday 19 July 19 22:47 BST (UK)
Thanks for all that. Dorothy Arthur's info is great. It's too bad there isn't a memorial. I wonder who is "buried" there. That's wonderful you were able to see it. Too bad you couldn't see inside. If I ever get to Ireland I definitely want to check it out. I want to learn as much about these Stuarts as I can. I tried to order the Will and 3 codicils of James Stuart CB but it came back saying it no longer exists. I was so upset. I was hoping it would name his other children.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Friday 19 July 19 23:25 BST (UK)
There is (according to the Index Of Irish Wills 1484-1858) an abstract surviving somewhere of a James Suart of Gracehill dated 1824.

The reference number is T/15682i but I'm not sure where that refers to.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Friday 19 July 19 23:31 BST (UK)
I think that must be for my James's father. Although that would be interesting to read too. I was wanting the one from 1859.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 20 July 19 11:49 BST (UK)
Extract from Brett’s “Buildings of County Antrim”:
...James Stuart, born in 1743, son of the Rev. Irwin Stuart, built and settled at Gracehill, naming it after his wife Grace Lynd of Stewartstown, probably soon after inheriting on his father's death in 1772. ...... On the death of James Stewart's son, Major-General James Stewart CB, in 1859, the house passed to Thomas S Irwin, whose mother was the General's younger sister Caroline....
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 20 July 19 11:51 BST (UK)
This is bound to be a connection – (Betham) abstract from the will of Captain James Stewart:

5 Feb 1736 --- pr 21 Nov 1737
Nieces Margt Young alias McDaniel
Niece Susanna Sumpton als McDaniel
Niece Elizabeth Stewart alias McDaniel
Niece Sara MacDonniel
Sister Jane McDanniel
Godson Alexander Stewart of Ballylough
Nephew Charles Mac Daniel


The above Elizabeth Stewart alias McDaniel was probably the wife of the Rev. Irwin Stuart...?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 20 July 19 12:07 BST (UK)
Belfast Newsletter, 19th Sep 1857:
THE INDIAN ATROCITIES – THE REPORTED FALL OF AGRA
     We have every reason to believe that the report of the fall of Agra, as published in a French journal, is untrue.  Agra, it is believed, as perfectly able to hold out until the garrison would be relieved by a British force.  In that city are some Europeans connected with North of Ireland families.  Among other refugees in Agra, there is the grandchild of Major-General Stuart, of Gracehill, in this county, whose gallant son, Captain Stuart, was shot in the lines by brutal mutineers.  His wife – a lady universally beloved – daughter of the late Hill Wilson, Esq., of Carrickfergus, rushed out to the bleeding remains of her husband, with her infant in her arms, and mother and child were instantly put to death by the savages.  Their other child escaped, and is now, as we have said, in Agra.
      Colonel Frith, one of the bravest officers before Delhi, is married to a sister of the late Mrs. Stuart; and he is a near relative of Brigadier-General Wilson, who succeeded General Reid in command of the British forces at Delhi.  General Wilson is a fearless soldier and an able commander, the Times, saying of him that he is “a man newly known,” though well known to fame.



Memorial Tablet in Dundurn Chapel (Scotland) to his family's memory:
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~rykbrown/stewart_of_ardvorlich.htm
Sacred to the memory of WILLIAM STEWART, ESQUIRE, of Ardvorlich.  Eldest son of the late Major W. M. Stewart, of the Bengal Army, Lieutenant in the Hon'ble East India COmpany's Bengal Artillery and Captain Commandant of a battery in Scindiah's contingent who was severely wounded in the execution of his duty at Gwalior on the night of the 14th of June 1857, by the mutinous sepoys and by them murdered on the following morning, aged 30 years.  Also to the memory of his wife JANE TURNLY, aged 27 years, youngest daughter of the late Hill Willson, Esquire, Lieutenant in the Hon'ble East India Company's Bengal Engineers and their son ROBERT WALTER aged 2 years who were killed on the night of the 14th idem.  Among the first victims of the Mutiny at Gwalior in the East Indies where the remains of both the parents and child lie interred.  This tablet is erected by his widowed mother and her children.


I’m not quite sure how the Stuarts of Gracehill were connected to the Stewarts of Ardvorlich – was the murdered William Stewart a descendant of Major James Stuart through his maternal line?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Saturday 20 July 19 12:51 BST (UK)
This is very confusing but in a good way. I need to sort it all out in my brain.

I do believe Elizabeth Stewart alias McDaniel is the wife of the Rev. Good find.

The newspaper article about the attack in Agra is what's giving me trouble. It clearly says Maj-Gen Stuart of Gracehill. That's my James Stuart. But it says his son, Captain Stuart, and that one of his grandchildren is safe but the youngest was killed with his mother. However, it looks like this Captain Stuart is William M Stewart from Scotland and the son of William-Murray Stewart. So why would the article say Captain Stuart is the son of Maj-gen Stuart? My poor brain.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 20 July 19 13:06 BST (UK)
Yes - I'm very confused by that too!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Saturday 20 July 19 13:08 BST (UK)
My James did have a cousin who was 10 years younger than him. His name was also James Stuart and, of course, he was later a Major-General. Son of Charles Stuart and married Eliza Chambers. Just to add to the confusion.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 20 July 19 15:18 BST (UK)
Do you know where the cousin Major General James Stuart lived - just so I can avoid getting confused.  He wasn't of Gracehill too I take it?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 20 July 19 15:56 BST (UK)
Belfast Mercury, 6th Apr 1852:
COLONEL STUART, OF THE EAST INDIA COMPANY'S SERVICE.
The following, which we copy from an Indian journal, The Mofussilite, must be gratifying to the friends and relatives of Colonel Stuart, in Belfast and elsewhere.  The colonel is a native of the County Antrim, and brother of the late Henry Irwin Stuart, Esq., of Gracehill, well known here for many  years as Treasurer of that county.  About forty years ago he entered the service of the East India Company.  He has since held high official position in our Eastern dominions, and is at present Military Secretary to the Government of India.  He is not, we understand, about to return to England, as stated in The Overland Athenaeum, but has gone to Australia for the benefit of his health....



Henry Irwin Stuart didn’t seem to leave a particularly useful will, though it does mention the sister Caroline (who married ____ Irwin):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C399-51L7?i=219&cat=234514
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 20 July 19 17:00 BST (UK)
Unfortunately this doesn't state who Margaret's parents were:

Book 612 / Page 100 / Number 416973

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSHS-B9GC-K?i=347&cat=185720
Memorial of a settlement dated 14th Apr 1809 between Daniel McCay of Mosside, Co Antrim, on the one part; Samuel Allen the elder and Samuel Allen the younger, both of Lisconan, Co Antrim, James Stuart of Grace Hill, Co Antrim, and Henry Irwin Stuart Esq his son, of the other part.  Whereby for settling and assuring a jointure on Margaret McCay, the wife of said Daniel McCay, Daniel McCay granted to said Allens and Stewarts the land of Mosside otherwise Drumadan, including the bog next to John McCay’s farm, as well as the lands of Moycreag and Creag (except the parts sold to Hugh McCay), plus various profits out of other lands, to hold in trust for purposes therein mentioned.  Witnessed by Rev. Charles Douglas of Dervock and John McCay of Mosside.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 20 July 19 18:17 BST (UK)
The newspaper article about the attack in Agra is what's giving me trouble. It clearly says Maj-Gen Stuart of Gracehill. That's my James Stuart. But it says his son, Captain Stuart, and that one of his grandchildren is safe but the youngest was killed with his mother. However, it looks like this Captain Stuart is William M Stewart from Scotland and the son of William-Murray Stewart. So why would the article say Captain Stuart is the son of Maj-gen Stuart? My poor brain.

Having consulted Burke's (the "Stewarts of Ardvorlich"), I'm coming to the conclusion that the article is wrong, and whoever wrote it was getting their Major Stuarts mixed up.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 20 July 19 18:24 BST (UK)
Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 7th Sep 1836:
On the 5th inst.. by the Rev. W. Kerr, R.C.C., Mr. James Irwin Stuart, son of James Irwin Stuart, Esq. of Gracehill, county Antrim, to Elizabeth, second daughter of Mr. James Duffy, Trafalgar-street, Belfast.

Northern Whig, 12th Oct 1839:
Lieutenant-Colonel James Stuart, who has succeeded Sir William Casement, as Military Secretary to the Government of India, is the youngest son of the late James Stuart, Esq., of Gracehill, in this County.  This high situation is a second time filled by a native of the County of Antrim. --- News-Letter.

Warder and Dublin Weekly Mail, 20th Sep 1842:
On the 2d instant, at Armoy Church, county Antrim, Mr. Henry Campbell, to Margaret, daughter of the late Henry Irwin Stewart, Esq., of Gracehill House.

Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 19th March 1845:
On the 17th instant, at Moyaver, the residence of B. G. Brooke, Esq. Frances, eldest daughter of the late James Stuart, Esq. of Gracehill, in this county.

Belfast Newsletter, 20th Jul 1859:
On the morning of the 19th inst., at his residence, Gracehill, near Ballymoney, Major-General James Stuart, C.B., for many years Secretary to the Government of India, Military Department.

Coleraine Chronicle, 30th Jul 1859:
NOTICE.  All persons having claims against the estate of the late Major Gen. JAMES STUART, C. B., of Gracehill, will please to furnish same to B. G. Brooke, Esq., Dungannon, one of his executors, on or before Saturday, the 13th of August next.

Belfast Newsletter, 13th Sep 1860:
TO BE LET, UNFURNISHED, AND IMMEDIATE possession give, GRACEHILL HOUSE, the residence of the late Major-General STUART, with lawn, pleasure grounds, and large walled garden.  The house is in good repair, containing drawing room, dining room, and study; seven bedrooms, two dressing-rooms, and bathroom; two water-closets; everything needful in the lower parts of the house; excellent stables and two coach-houses; suitable out-offices and lock-up yard.  Rent moderate.
For particulars, apply to C. G. STUART, Esq. Ballyhivistock; B. G. BROOKE, Esq., Dungannon; J. CRAMSIE, Esq., solicitor, Ballymoney.

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 21 July 19 00:59 BST (UK)
Do you know where the cousin Major General James Stuart lived - just so I can avoid getting confused.  He wasn't of Gracehill too I take it?

I believe he was originally from Davistock
 That's where he was buried. At the time of his death in 1876 he was  living at University Terrace in Belfast.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 21 July 19 03:21 BST (UK)
Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 7th Sep 1836:
On the 5th inst.. by the Rev. W. Kerr, R.C.C., Mr. James Irwin Stuart, son of James Irwin Stuart, Esq. of Gracehill, county Antrim, to Elizabeth, second daughter of Mr. James Duffy, Trafalgar-street, Belfast.

This is interesting. Is this a cousin of my James Stuart or is it supposed to be my James? I've never seen the Irwin part tacked on to the named so it's interesting.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 21 July 19 10:23 BST (UK)
Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 7th Sep 1836:
On the 5th inst.. by the Rev. W. Kerr, R.C.C., Mr. James Irwin Stuart, son of James Irwin Stuart, Esq. of Gracehill, county Antrim, to Elizabeth, second daughter of Mr. James Duffy, Trafalgar-street, Belfast.

This is interesting. Is this a cousin of my James Stuart or is it supposed to be my James? I've never seen the Irwin part tacked on to the named so it's interesting.

Yes, I also wondered if the father is supposed to be "Henry Irwin Stuart" except he died in February that year so you'd expect him to be "the late".
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 21 July 19 17:10 BST (UK)
Coincidentally just came across a distant link of my own to these Stuarts:

Belfast Newsletter, 13th Jan 1872:
MOORE - STUART - Jan. 11, at Derrykeighan Church, by the Rev. Andrew Creery, uncle of the bride, assisted by the Rev. Hartley Hudson, Rector of the parish, James Stewart Moore, Esq., of Ballydivity, to Elizabeth Frances Jane, second daughter of Charles George Stuart, Esq., J.P., of Ballyhivistock.

James Stewart-Moore was my 4th cousin 5x removed.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Monday 22 July 19 17:52 BST (UK)
I've got that line in my tree. Elizabeth Frances Jane Stuart was my 2nd cousin 4x removed.

Any tips on how I can find more children of James Stuart CB? My 2nd great-grandfather's marriage announcement has him as the eldest son of James Stuart which tells me there's at least one other son out there somewhere.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Fritz10 on Monday 22 July 19 21:44 BST (UK)
I am a great-granddaughter of Elizabeth Francis Stewart-Moore, nee Stuart, so that line is my main interest.

I possibly can tell you more about James Stuart CB's children. I'm presuming you're meaning the Major-General who served in India? (There are quite a lot of James Stuarts!).
I'm interested that you're descended from him and that your great-grandfather was his eldest son. What was his name?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Monday 22 July 19 22:22 BST (UK)
Hello!

My 2nd great-grandfather was Henry Benson Stuart, born 1834 in Calcutta. His father was James Stuart CB, secretary to the military government in India (b. 1784 d. 1859). HB Stuart was married twice but seemed to like having children outside of his marriages. My great-grandad was born Henry Whiting Stuart on 28 Aug 1883 in Luton to Henry Benson Stuart and Sarah Elizabeth Whiting. He was adopted by Edwin Dunn and Betsy Brooks and his name was changed to George Harry Dunn and his place of birth was changed to Wollescote, Worcestershire.

The only other children I know of that James Stuart had were James Irwin Stuart who was born and died in India at age 2, my Henry Benson Stuart, and now I've learned of Olivia Grace Stuart.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Fritz10 on Monday 22 July 19 22:46 BST (UK)
This is what I've recently learned about James's Stuart's children – from research done some years ago. 'In each case the birth certificate gives the father’s name as Major James H.C. Stuart (initials H.C. unaccounted for). They are said to have been:
1.   Henry Todd, later Major-General Henry Todd Stuart of the Madras Army (retired July 1882). Evidence circumstantial but he was born 3 December 1827. Father a Major at the time. Married 1 August 1854 Mary (surname unknown but born 1 February 1826 and died 18 February 1911) and died 26 October 1910. Nine children!
2.   James Irwin. James Irwin Stuart, born 14 July 1832, Baptised 21 March 1833.
Died aged two years and four months. Burial date, 9 December 1834.
Calcutta.
3.   Henry Benson. Born Calcutta 1835 and apparently named after Col. Benson, a friend of his father. Mother’s name not on baptism certificate. He was brought up by James’s sister Caroline in the Irwin household in Belfast, and educated at Rugby School. His guardian was James Ruddell Todd, 33 Portland Place, London. Nominated for service in the HEICS (Honourable East India Company Service) Army by Sir James Weir Hogg, Bt, of India House and 16 Grosvenor Square, London, with reference from Col Benson. He was an Ensign in the 18th Native Infantry 1854/55, 4th European Regiment Bengal Army and referred to in 1887 as Captain Henry Benson Stuart. He was author of ‘A History of Infantry from the earliest times to the present’ and last heard of in the Argentine in 1893. He married on 17 Nov 1859 at St Saviour’s Church, Paddington, Middlesex, Isabella Louisa, daughter of Joshua Carter of the Bengal Civil Service, and had three children.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Fritz10 on Monday 22 July 19 22:50 BST (UK)
There is no evidence of a first marriage. Do you know any details?
And it does appear that his children were illegitimate.

The person who provided this material - many years ago - obviously didn't know about Olivia Grace.
I don't know her birth date but I have found out some other info.

Olivia Stuart married George Thomas Gowan at Calcutta, 1854. (Source: Women in India)
She was probably about 21. Her brother was born in 1835, which would make him 19 at this time.
In ‘Narrative of Events Attending the Outbreak of Disturbances and the Restoration of Authority in the District of Moradabad in 1857-1858’ [the Indian Mutiny] by J.C. Wilson Esquire, aka Cracroft Wilson, Judge and Sessions Judge of Moradabad. He makes considerable reference to a Captain Gowan of the 18th Regiment Native Infantry.
Henry Benson Stuart (Olivia’s brother) was in the same regiment in 1854/55. (retired as a captain)
Robertson & Co.'s Bengal almanac, companion, and ... 1853.


EDITED BY C. U. WILSON, M.A., OF THE BENGAL EDUCATION SERVICE,
List of Inscriptions on Tombs or Monuments in Bengal possessing Historical or Archaeological Interest. Calcutta, 1896
St Paul’s Cathedral. Consecrated 1847.
June 1857. George Thomas Gowan.
To the beloved memory of GEORGE THOMAS GOWAN, Captain in the 27th Regiment Bengal Native Infantry, and Commandant 9th Regiment, Oude Irregular Force, second son of Major-General G. E. Gowan, Bengal Artillery, killed at Sitapur, Oude, June 1857, in the 35th year of his age. He fell whilst endeavouring to recall the mutinous sepoys of his own corps to order and obedience.
June 1857. Olivia Grace Gowan and infant
Also to the memory of OLIVIA GRACE, daughter of Major-General James Stuart, Bengal Army, and wife of Captain G. T. Gowan, who, with their infant son, George Boyce Combe, was cruelly murdered by the rebels at Sitapur, June 1857.

Fascinating, but very sad.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Tuesday 23 July 19 01:34 BST (UK)
That's great! Thank you so much. I found the story about Olivia and her family very sad; it stuck with me for the next day or so. Now I'll have to do some research on Henry Todd Stuart. Do you know the connection between the Todds and Stuarts? They are related in some way but I haven't been able to figure out how. I was thinking that Grace Lynde's (James Stuart's mother) mother might have been a Todd. James Ruddell-Todd was Henry Benson Stuart's guardian but also relative according to HB Stuart's cadet papers. I wondered who HB lived with in Ireland. I saw newspaper articles of his awards in school but couldn't figure out who he lived with. Then his cadet papers mentioned a Mrs. Irwin or Mrs. Irvine; it was difficult to read so I couldn't figure it out but Mrs. Irwin makes sense that it was his aunt Caroline.

The other marriage for Henry Benson Stuart was to Anna Mary Bourke (daughter of Theophilus John Robert Bourke & Mary Ann Lapeth) in 1868. They remained married but he had two children with Sarah Elizabeth Whiting: Mary Stuart, born 1881, and my great-grandad, Henry Whiting Stuart, born 1883. On the birth certificate for great-grandad, Elizabeth Whiting was the informant and she had the father down as Henry Benson Stuart, Captain on Full Pay of the 18th (tough to read but pretty sure it was 18) Regiment of Prince of Wales's Own. On Mary Stuart's birth certificate, Henry was the informant and he has himself down as Henry Stuart, Gentleman.

Several years earlier though, it appears he had 2 children with a woman named Julia (possibly Julia Johnson): Julia Benson Stuart (b. 1861) and Henry Stuart (b. 1862). Then there's the other three children he had with his first wife, Isabella: Henry Gowan Stuart (b. 1860 - obviously after his sister and her husband who were killed during the mutiny), James Douglas Stuart (b. 1863), and Annie Flora Stuart (b. 1865).

I wonder why no mother's name was given on the baptism records for the Stuart children. It's very frustrating. I'd love to know who Henry Benson's mother was. I know that James Stuart was married in 1855, near the end of his life, to a widow Maria Johnstone (nee Duffin). On his marriage certificate he has himself down as a bachelor. So either he was never married before and just had children with someone in India or he forgot about his previous marriage. Any guesses on who the mother(s) could be? Is it possible she was an Indian woman?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Tuesday 23 July 19 01:42 BST (UK)
This is what I've recently learned about James's Stuart's children – from research done some years ago. 'In each case the birth certificate gives the father’s name as Major James H.C. Stuart (initials H.C. unaccounted for). They are said to have been:
1.   Henry Todd, later Major-General Henry Todd Stuart of the Madras Army (retired July 1882). Evidence circumstantial but he was born 3 December 1827. Father a Major at the time. Married 1 August 1854 Mary (surname unknown but born 1 February 1826 and died 18 February 1911) and died 26 October 1910. Nine children!

Just did a quick search on Henry Tod Stuart. It looks like he was the son of Charles Stuart, M.D., and Eliza Shakespeare (married 1821 Calcutta). Henry Tod Stuart married Mary Swiney, daughter of George Swiney, General - Bengal Artillery.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Fritz10 on Tuesday 23 July 19 02:41 BST (UK)
Well done on Henry Todd Stuart. It looks as if he wasn't one of James' Stuart's children.
The research I'm quoting was done decades ago, so I don't know the people who did it.
Re the mother of James' Stuart's children - there is a theory:

On 1855 30 May, Major-General James Stuart Married Maria, widow of Lieut Colin Johnstone, 21st Light Dragoons, and d.s.p. 1759.
It is possible that he knew her brother Adam Duffin, and therefore Maria, when he was at Trinity.
Descendant Michael Irwin posed a question as to why he dropped a legal career and went off to India? Suggested that it might have been to get out of some trouble. Inference that he was caught in the wrong bed and left to avoid scandal.
Or possibly in love with Maria Duffin when at Trinity and followed her out to India after she married Colin Johnston?
Either way, as D.G. (Jim) Stuart, his great grandson, put it he ‘must have been quite a lad, as it appears from Birth Registers etc. that he produced three illegitimate sons”. [Also a daughter!] Mother’s name never given on the birth certificates.
Michael Irwin noted ‘within Irwin family tradition there has always been the story of an affair between James Stuart (brother of Caroline Irwin) and the wife of a fellow officer. So maybe the mother of his children was the same Maria Duffin who married Lieut Colin Johnston, but was eventually to marry James Stuart in 1855 after her first husband had died. Little is known of Maria, though the families of Duffin and Lynd are connected. (James Stuart’s mother was Grace Lynd).
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Tuesday 23 July 19 02:48 BST (UK)
This is very intriguing! These Stuarts are quite exciting. I'm going to look more into Maria Duffin. I've ordered her Will today already. I tried to order James's Will and 3 codicils to see if it mentioned children but it came back saying it can't be found. I do know he left some money to his sister Caroline because she mentions the money in her own Will. Hopefully Maria's Will will be informative. It doesn't look like she and Colin had any children of their own. I'm curious about all of them now and won't be able to sleep.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Tuesday 23 July 19 22:04 BST (UK)
I am a great-granddaughter of Elizabeth Francis Stewart-Moore, nee Stuart, so that line is my main interest.

I guess that makes you a distant cousin of both myself and Benody then.  I’d like to pick your brains about what you know of the Stewart-Moores if I get the chance…

Benody, where/when can I find the marriage notice for Henry Benson Stuart?  Also, where are you ordering the wills from?

Was Charles George Stuart of Ballyhivistock (1793-1873) a brother of Major General James Stuart (c1784-1859)?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Fritz10 on Tuesday 23 July 19 22:56 BST (UK)
Charles George Stuart of Ballyhivistock was a first cousin of Major General James Stuart.

Rev Irwin Stuart and his wife Elizabeth (nee McDaniel) had two daughters: Elizabeth (born 1737 married Rev. Hugh McClelland), Jane (born 1739, married Richard Young) and five sons: James Stuart Esq (1743 - 1824 married Grace Lynd), Charles McDaniel, (December 1744 – 1826, married Sarah Dunlop), Archibald (b 1746, married Jane Henry), Henry (b 1748) and Christopher (b 1750).

The oldest son, James (Born 1743, died 1824), built Gracehill and was the father of two daughters, Elizabeth and Grace, who died in early childhood. May have been the first two children. Plus seven other children as follows:
•   Frances. Died 1845 ‘at an advanced age’ in 1845. ‘She was a most excellent woman, of great sound sense and sterling worth’.
•   Margaret. B 1781 or 1783; known as ‘Cross Peggy’. Died unmarried at the residence of her niece, Sophia Irwin, at Dundalk, 11 Feb 1870, aged 89. A very fine-looking, handsome woman.
•   Sophia. M 14 Sept 1812, Thomas Ledlie Esquire of Antrim. MD in the H.E.I.C.S. He was Assistant Surgeon, Bengal, 15 July 1792; Surgeon 1806 and retired 1812. Two daughters: Sophia, died young, and Grace Frances who married Basil George Brooke, of Moyaver, near Armoy, Co. Antrim. He was a grandnephew of the Earl of Macartney and descended from the Brookes of Donegal. Died at Castleblayney, leaving several sons and daughters.
•   Caroline, m August 1812, James Irwin of Wellbrook, Co Tyrone.
•   Henry Irwin. Born ca 1776. died unmarried 2 Feb 1836 in his 60th year. Captain of the Irish Artillery, then of the Antrim Militia and Treasurer of the County of Antrim. Died unmarried at Gracehill, 2 Feb 1836. Aged 60.
•   William. Captain in the Royal Artillery and died in early life in the West Indies in 1809. Unmarried.
•   James. (Major General James Stuart, C.B.) A.M. of Trinity College, Dublin and had studied for the Bar. Then joined a Native Infantry Regiment in India, where he served with distinction, having held for many years the honourable office of Military Secretary to the governor General and Government of India. Forced to resign this in consequence of failing health and his promotion to General Officer.
For his valuable services in the war appointed a Companion of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath.



His younger brother, Charles McDaniel Stuart, and his wife Sarah had six children, including Charles George Stuart:
1.   Samuel, born 11 August 1786
2.   Alexander, born 7 October 1788, died 20 May 1789 [6 months]
3.   Jane, born 26 March 1790, died 19 Feb 1794 [four years]
4.   Eliza, born 10 Jan 1792
5.   Charles George, born 19 April 1793
6.   James, born 10 July 1794

I hope this helps!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Wednesday 24 July 19 16:50 BST (UK)
I am a great-granddaughter of Elizabeth Francis Stewart-Moore, nee Stuart, so that line is my main interest.

I guess that makes you a distant cousin of both myself and Benody then.  I’d like to pick your brains about what you know of the Stewart-Moores if I get the chance…

Benody, where/when can I find the marriage notice for Henry Benson Stuart?  Also, where are you ordering the wills from?

Was Charles George Stuart of Ballyhivistock (1793-1873) a brother of Major General James Stuart (c1784-1859)?

Now I'm starting to doubt myself. I'm sure I saw it in a newspaper article that Henry Benson Stuart was the eldest son of James Stuart CB. I would have gotten it from Find My Past or British Newspaper Archives. I can't seem to find it now so perhaps I'm mistaken.

I have ordered the Will through probatesearch.service.gove.uk. Hopefully Maria's will come through. She likely left everything to her nieces but it doesn't hurt to get it and see.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Wednesday 24 July 19 16:52 BST (UK)
Charles George Stuart of Ballyhivistock was a first cousin of Major General James Stuart.

Rev Irwin Stuart and his wife Elizabeth (nee McDaniel) had two daughters: Elizabeth (born 1737 married Rev. Hugh McClelland), Jane (born 1739, married Richard Young) and five sons: James Stuart Esq (1743 - 1824 married Grace Lynd), Charles McDaniel, (December 1744 – 1826, married Sarah Dunlop), Archibald (b 1746, married Jane Henry), Henry (b 1748) and Christopher (b 1750).

The oldest son, James (Born 1743, died 1824), built Gracehill and was the father of two daughters, Elizabeth and Grace, who died in early childhood. May have been the first two children. Plus seven other children as follows:
•   Frances. Died 1845 ‘at an advanced age’ in 1845. ‘She was a most excellent woman, of great sound sense and sterling worth’.
•   Margaret. B 1781 or 1783; known as ‘Cross Peggy’. Died unmarried at the residence of her niece, Sophia Irwin, at Dundalk, 11 Feb 1870, aged 89. A very fine-looking, handsome woman.
•   Sophia. M 14 Sept 1812, Thomas Ledlie Esquire of Antrim. MD in the H.E.I.C.S. He was Assistant Surgeon, Bengal, 15 July 1792; Surgeon 1806 and retired 1812. Two daughters: Sophia, died young, and Grace Frances who married Basil George Brooke, of Moyaver, near Armoy, Co. Antrim. He was a grandnephew of the Earl of Macartney and descended from the Brookes of Donegal. Died at Castleblayney, leaving several sons and daughters.
•   Caroline, m August 1812, James Irwin of Wellbrook, Co Tyrone.
•   Henry Irwin. Born ca 1776. died unmarried 2 Feb 1836 in his 60th year. Captain of the Irish Artillery, then of the Antrim Militia and Treasurer of the County of Antrim. Died unmarried at Gracehill, 2 Feb 1836. Aged 60.
•   William. Captain in the Royal Artillery and died in early life in the West Indies in 1809. Unmarried.
•   James. (Major General James Stuart, C.B.) A.M. of Trinity College, Dublin and had studied for the Bar. Then joined a Native Infantry Regiment in India, where he served with distinction, having held for many years the honourable office of Military Secretary to the governor General and Government of India. Forced to resign this in consequence of failing health and his promotion to General Officer.
For his valuable services in the war appointed a Companion of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath.



His younger brother, Charles McDaniel Stuart, and his wife Sarah had six children, including Charles George Stuart:
1.   Samuel, born 11 August 1786
2.   Alexander, born 7 October 1788, died 20 May 1789 [6 months]
3.   Jane, born 26 March 1790, died 19 Feb 1794 [four years]
4.   Eliza, born 10 Jan 1792
5.   Charles George, born 19 April 1793
6.   James, born 10 July 1794

I hope this helps!

Well this was most helpful! I'm so excited to learn all of this information. I especially like the parts that tell about their character or looks. Where did you learn all of this?

I'm wondering more and more about the rumoured affair that James Stuart had with someone else's wife. The newspaper articles I've read about him all say that he had the best morals and never swayed on them. That doesn't really line up with him having an affair with his friend's wife. Or perhaps he repented of his ways after he had his children.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Wednesday 24 July 19 21:26 BST (UK)
Now I'm starting to doubt myself. I'm sure I saw it in a newspaper article that Henry Benson Stuart was the eldest son of James Stuart CB. I would have gotten it from Find My Past or British Newspaper Archives. I can't seem to find it now so perhaps I'm mistaken.

I have ordered the Will through probatesearch.service.gove.uk. Hopefully Maria's will come through. She likely left everything to her nieces but it doesn't hurt to get it and see.

Benody,

What were the dates of Henry Benson Stuart’s two marriages?  I’ll have a hunt too.

Does that probatesearch thing only apply to those proved in England?

Gilby
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Wednesday 24 July 19 21:28 BST (UK)
Hi Fritz,

That does indeed help a great deal!

I’d also be interested to know what the main source(s) is/are?

Thanks,
Gilby
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Wednesday 24 July 19 21:40 BST (UK)
I came across this in PRONI T559/36 as a footnote attached to Jane Stewart of Ballylough (sister of the Rev. Archibald Stewart of Ballintoy) – her will was written in 1760, she died in 1766, and her will was proved in 1769…

Charlotte Stewart wife of Will. Smith Gen. cousin to Jane Stewart
Rev. Richard Dobbs of Lisburn D.D. near kinsman to ditto

Rev. Charles McDaniel Stewart brother-in-law to J.S.
James McDonald Esq. M.D. nephew to ditto

Charlotte Smith née Stewart and the Rev. Richard Dobbs are both mentioned in Jane Stewart’s will.  The other two names may refer to a later generation – I’ve been struggling to figure out the connection…?

I was thinking James McDonald was probably Dr. James McDonnell of Belfast (1763-1845) whose mother was a Stewart of the Ballintoy family.


EDIT:  I just came across this post which talks about the Stuart/Stewart-McDaniel-MacDonnell connection ... but it has left me even more confused!

https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/stewart@rootsweb.com/thread/10193385/
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 28 July 19 17:12 BST (UK)
Rev. Charles McDaniel Stewart brother-in-law to J.S.
James McDonald Esq. M.D. nephew to ditto

I'm coming to the conclusion that in this bit of the footnote the "J.S." may refer to John Stewart of Ballintoy (husband of Jane Moore and ancestor of the Stewart-Moore family).

His will (1791) does indeed mention his brother-in-law Rev. Charles McDaniel Stewart and his nephew James McDonald.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Tuesday 30 July 19 13:26 BST (UK)
I've received Maria Stuart's (Duffin) Will. Here is a transcription of it:

This is the last Will and Testament of me, Maria Stuart. I do hereby  will and bequeath to my niece Ellen Jameson whatever money I may have invested in Bank of Ireland Stock Government or other securities on special trust, that she may first pay out of said money all demands to which I am legally liable. Then to pay half yearly as it becomes due the interest of any residue of said money to my sister Jane Duffin. On the decease of my sister Jane Duffin then the said interest to be paid half yearly to my niece Catherine Baker, during her life and on her decease I will that the principal of said residue money to be divided between Catherine Baker's three daughters, Eleanor, Isabella, and Frances or the survivors or survivor of them share and share alike I will and bequeath to my niece Ellen Jameson all my books prints drawing room ornaments all my personal effects except my watch chain and seals and wearing apparel which I bequeath to my niece Catherine Baker, I bequeath my house linens to my nieces Catherine Baker and Ellen Jameson to be divided between them share and share alike. I bequeath the portrait of my late uncle William Duffin to my nephew Thomas Oxley I wish whatever artciles of household furniture  and plate I possess my be sold that the proceeds may help to defray(?) any expenses incurred at the time of my death.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Fritz10 on Tuesday 30 July 19 22:28 BST (UK)
Well done on locating the will!
Interesting, but not promising re Maria being the mother of James Stuart's illegitimate children. Not even the smallest hint!
I suspect that we should be looking elsewhere, but there don't seem to be any clues.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Wednesday 31 July 19 16:28 BST (UK)
It's so frustrating that I can't get a hold of James Stuart's Will. I'm sure it had lots of telling information.

I wonder if Richard Benson had a sister who might have known James Stuart. I should try to look at Caroline Irwin's Will and see if she mentions anything. I have such a hard time reading the Wills.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Friday 16 August 19 18:26 BST (UK)
I had an email from an author name Paul O'Keeffe. I had enquired about another possible child of Henry Benson Stuart. There is a collection at Cornell University on the artist and author Wyndham Lewis. His mother was born Annie Stuart Prickett. The GRO has her birth as Annie Stuart Dangerfield with no mother's maiden name.  Paul O'Keeffe had written a biography on Wyndham Lewis about 20 years ago and made mention of a Henry Benson Stuart. He said he couldn't remember the reference but when he was going through the collection he found a picture of a servant woman wearing a sari and holding a little white baby. This lead Paul to believe that there must have been an East Indian background to Wyndham Lewis. I also found that Annie Stuart Lewis had made an enquiry to the War Office about Henry Benson Stuart. This was in 1908 and he had already died by then. I believe she was his biological daughter. It would be really interesting to get a hold of that picture and see if there was any sort of caption.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Fritz10 on Friday 16 August 19 21:08 BST (UK)
Fascinating.
Best of luck with that. It could be an excellent lead.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Friday 16 August 19 22:01 BST (UK)



https://archive.org/details/stewartsofballin00hill/page/n7?q=Derrykeighan



Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Friday 16 August 19 22:28 BST (UK)



https://archive.org/details/stewartsofballin00hill/page/n7?q=Derrykeighan

This is fantastic. Thank you!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Friday 16 August 19 23:04 BST (UK)



No problem!


I didn't read it.....   ;D


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Friday 16 August 19 23:16 BST (UK)



Subject=  Stuart family

https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22Stuart+family%22&page=2


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Friday 16 August 19 23:25 BST (UK)




http://lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.com/2015/12/1st-earl-castle-stewart.html




Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Fritz10 on Saturday 17 August 19 00:14 BST (UK)
The reference that you would find invaluable is. Three hundred years in Innishowen by Amy Young.
She was a Stuart before her marriage and has written an extensive and invaluable history which documents much of the family history.
You might be able to get it from a library but it is rare. However, I note a copy for sale as below.
http://www.deburcararebooks.com/three-hundred-years-in-innishowen-by-young-amy-isabel-e75/
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 17 August 19 00:53 BST (UK)


One also needs to check what Wills/Deeds/Covenants/Marriage agreements etc were Registered at Wills/Deeds in Dublin as per Resources Section

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=765484.0

even if a Will no longer exists what was in it may have been recorded in the Register!


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMQ-K733-J?i=310&cat=185720

example attached

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 17 August 19 00:54 BST (UK)
The reference that you would find invaluable is. Three hundred years in Innishowen by Amy Young.
She was a Stuart before her marriage and has written an extensive and invaluable history which documents much of the family history.
You might be able to get it from a library but it is rare. However, I note a copy for sale as below.
http://www.deburcararebooks.com/three-hundred-years-in-innishowen-by-young-amy-isabel-e75/



Papers of the Young family, Co. Donegal, including correspondence, photographs, press cuttings, genealogical notes and printed booklets used in connection with 300 years of Inishowen, written by Amy Isabel Young, c. 1800-1970.   


Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, D. 3045

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Saturday 17 August 19 04:01 BST (UK)



One also needs to check what Wills/Deeds/Covenants/Marriage agreements etc were Registered at Wills/Deeds in Dublin as per Resources Section

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=765484.0

even if a Will no longer exists what was in it may have been recorded in the Register!


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMQ-K733-J?i=310&cat=185720

example attached

The Wills are the most disappointing. I was so excited to order James Stuart's (1743-1859) Will and see if he mentioned other children. It's a shame too because part of it was proved in England so you would think someone would have had a copy of it there.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 17 August 19 11:14 BST (UK)


Wills/Deeds etc can be handy for find snippets like Alex'd daughter Sophia intermarried with Dobbs etc...

£3000 in 1770's was quite a fortune!

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-F96C-C?i=366&cat=185720

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 17 August 19 11:16 BST (UK)



One also needs to check what Wills/Deeds/Covenants/Marriage agreements etc were Registered at Wills/Deeds in Dublin as per Resources Section

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=765484.0

even if a Will no longer exists what was in it may have been recorded in the Register!


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMQ-K733-J?i=310&cat=185720

example attached

The Wills are the most disappointing. I was so excited to order James Stuart's (1743-1859) Will and see if he mentioned other children. It's a shame too because part of it was proved in England so you would think someone would have had a copy of it there.


Did they register their Inheritances in Dublin?

They Will was proven in what year??

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 17 August 19 11:34 BST (UK)


Not sure if James's Will exists from 1770  but it was Memorialized in Wills/Deeds, Dublin.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-H99S-T?i=283&cat=185720


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Saturday 17 August 19 11:53 BST (UK)
It says the probate of the Will and codicil of James Stuart was granted 11 Oct 1859 at Dublin to Charles George Stuart of Ballyhivistock........two of the executors was sealed at the Principal Registry London.

https://www.ancestry.ca/interactive/1904/32858_609838_0682-00113/14511875?backurl=https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/person/tree/72626097/person/332101614563/facts/citation/962141145307/edit/record

So not proved or anything in England. I'm not entirely sure what the last bit means.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 17 August 19 12:15 BST (UK)
I came across this in PRONI T559/36 as a footnote attached to Jane Stewart of Ballylough (sister of the Rev. Archibald Stewart of Ballintoy) – her will was written in 1760, she died in 1766, and her will was proved in 1769…
 
 

Do you have her other brother Alex who married Anne Stewart of Jamaica, dau of John  ?

Died 1739  and his Will was proven 1742


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 18 August 19 16:20 BST (UK)
Belfast Newsletter, 19th Sep 1857:
THE INDIAN ATROCITIES – THE REPORTED FALL OF AGRA
     We have every reason to believe that the report of the fall of Agra, as published in a French journal, is untrue.  Agra, it is believed, as perfectly able to hold out until the garrison would be relieved by a British force.  In that city are some Europeans connected with North of Ireland families.  Among other refugees in Agra, there is the grandchild of Major-General Stuart, of Gracehill, in this county, whose gallant son, Captain Stuart, was shot in the lines by brutal mutineers...

I think I know what's going on here with Captain Stuart being shot. In 1857, probably right as the first reports were coming our, HB Stuart was in the papers as supposedly killed at Bareilly.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: pablo1 on Monday 26 August 19 03:01 BST (UK)
For information on the Stewarts of Ardvorlich, I recommend the following website:

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~rykbrown/stewart_of_ardvorlich.htm
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: pablo1 on Wednesday 28 August 19 00:19 BST (UK)
This is from the book Ontarian Families:  Genealogies of United Empire Loyalists and other Pioneer Families of Upper Canada by Edward Marion Chadwick.  I hope my generational numbering is correct.  Please check on line at archive.org to see if it has a digitalized copy of the book.

Stuart, of Toronto

1.  Brig. Gen. William Stuart m. Mary Moore, dau of Viscount Moore.  Viscount Moore was
     the ancestor of the Marquess of Drogheda.

2.  Col. James or Alexander, son;  he m.  Jane Irwin of Leibeg, Co. Roscommon and had issue 21
     children, two of whom were

3.  Elizabeth Stuart m. Charles McDaniel (or McDonnell) of Ballylough and Bellisle

3.  Rev.  Irwin Stuart, Vicar of Ballywillan, Ballyrashane and Derrykeighan;  he married Elizabeth
     McDaniel or McDonnell, sister of the above mentioned Charles.  The Rev. Stuart had the
     following issue:

4.  James Stuart of Gracehill m. Grace Lynd

4.  Rev.  Charles McDaniel Stuart, died 1820, aged 81; Vicar of Culfeightrin and Rector of Dunluce;
     m.  Sarah Dunlop, dau of George Dunlop of Ballycastle and had issue,

5.  Lt.  Samuel Stuart, 59th Regt.

5.  General James Stuart m. Eliza Chambers, dau of John Chambers with issue.

5.  Eliza Stuart, died 1867, aged 74, unmarried.

5.  Capt. Charles George Stuart of Ballyhivistock, (1794 - 1871);  m. 1840 Mary Christina Creery,
     dau of  the Rev. Leslie Creery, Archdeacon of Connor and had issue,

6.  Charles McDaniel Stuart of Ballyhivistock

6.  Capt. Leslie Creery Stuart, R.N. m. Georgina Elsie Millman

6.  James Stuart m. 1  Jane Stewart-Moore; m. 2 Mia Salisbury

6.  Henry Irwin Stuart, twin with James above.

6.  Alexander Barklie Stuart

6.  William Wallace Stuart

6.  George Ernest Stuart

6.  Isabella Stuart

6.  Elizabeth Frances Jane Stuart m. James Stewart-Moore

6.  William Stuart, b. 1858;  emigrated to Canada in 1882;  civil engineer; m. Jan. 17, 1884 to
     Barbara Frances Harvey, dau of Lt. Col. Gardiner Harvey and had issue,

7.  Charles Gage Stuart b. 1887

7.  Leslie Ion (Ian?) Stuart, b. 1888

7.  William Bruce Stuart, b. 1893

7.  Amy Isabel Stuart

7.  Elsie Marjorie Stuart

4.  Archibald Stuart, brother of Rev. Charles McDaniel Stuart, m. Jane Henry of Clover Hill,
     with issue.

4.  Col. Christopher Stuart ; emigrated to America;  officer in the American Revolutionary Army

4.  Dr.  Henry Stuart, M.D.;  emigrated to American and served as a surgeon in the army
 
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: andid on Wednesday 28 August 19 20:04 BST (UK)
Has anyone heard of or have any information on a Mary Jane Stuart?  She married my gt. grandfather, William Bell Carson(about 1857-after 1911) in 1885 in Armoy, county Antrim.. She lists a William Stuart as her father, Ballybregagh as her residence at the time, and was listed as of "full" age so birth was maybe 1855-1865.. They migrated to McDonald, Pennsylvania, USA and had a daughter, Lizzie in 1886.  At some point Mary Jane became ill and died, either in Pa. or perhaps on a ship as William and Lizzie returned to Northern Ireland. William Bell Carson later met my gt. grandmother, Mary Jane McMullan and wed in 1896. Included is William Carson's and Mary Jane Stuart's marriage record.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10855/5963568.pdf
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 31 August 19 15:23 BST (UK)
I came across this in PRONI T559/36 as a footnote attached to Jane Stewart of Ballylough (sister of the Rev. Archibald Stewart of Ballintoy) – her will was written in 1760, she died in 1766, and her will was proved in 1769…
 

Do you have her other brother Alex who married Anne Stewart of Jamaica, dau of John  ?

Died 1739  and his Will was proven 1742

Yes, thanks - Alexander and Anne Stewart were the grandparents of Jane Stewart who married Francis Dobbs.  Thanks for posting the deed which mentions their marriage:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-F96C-C?i=366&cat=185720

Unfortunately the ROD on familysearch isn’t working for me at the moment so I’ll have to check back later. 

Jane’s father Alexander Stewart inherited the Acton estate from his paternal grandmother Sarah Poyntz, daughter of Sir Toby Poyntz.  As far as I can make out this Stewart line goes back to Ninian Stewart who came over to Ballintoy from the Isle of Bute in about 1600.

As I understand it the Stewarts of Ballintoy were not supposed to be the same family as the Stuarts of Gracehill (I may have got that somewhere from this thread…).  The Rev. George Hill’s history of the Stewarts is very useful, but don’t take it as gospel – I’ve viewed a few original wills at PRONI and sometimes the details don’t quite tie up.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Saturday 31 August 19 15:32 BST (UK)
I read on Google Books a bit of Ireland Preserved; or the Siege of Londonderry, starting on page 292. It says at the end that the Gracehill family is not related to any other Stuarts in Ireland. Eventually that would have to be untrue though as the Stuarts of Gracehill would have eventually had descendants and moved around.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 31 August 19 15:44 BST (UK)
Aha, thanks.  Yes, I take that to mean that the Stuarts of Gracehill came over independently of other Stuart/Stewarts.  Probably they are part of the same massive tree descended from the High Stewards of Scotland, and certainly they were connected sideways to the Stewarts of Ballintoy.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Saturday 31 August 19 15:51 BST (UK)
It's been really difficult to find good sources for this but apparently James I gave land to his cousin who was an ambassador in Turin. This Stewart was on his way to Ireland from Turin when his ship went down. Later, his grandson or descendant of some sort, who is supposed to be Brigadier-general William Stuart, decided to take that land back.

It's been very confusing trying to figure it all out since so many people have different information.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 31 August 19 23:35 BST (UK)
I came across this in PRONI T559/36 as a footnote attached to Jane Stewart of Ballylough (sister of the Rev. Archibald Stewart of Ballintoy) – her will was written in 1760, she died in 1766, and her will was proved in 1769…
 

Do you have her other brother Alex who married Anne Stewart of Jamaica, dau of John  ?

Died 1739  and his Will was proven 1742

Yes, thanks - Alexander and Anne Stewart were the grandparents of Jane Stewart who married Francis Dobbs.  Thanks for posting the deed which mentions their marriage:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-F96C-C?i=366&cat=185720

Unfortunately the ROD on familysearch isn’t working for me at the moment so I’ll have to check back later. 

Jane’s father Alexander Stewart inherited the Acton estate from his paternal grandmother Sarah Poyntz, daughter of Sir Toby Poyntz.  As far as I can make out this Stewart line goes back to Ninian Stewart who came over to Ballintoy from the Isle of Bute in about 1600.

As I understand it the Stewarts of Ballintoy were not supposed to be the same family as the Stuarts of Gracehill (I may have got that somewhere from this thread…).  The Rev. George Hill’s history of the Stewarts is very useful, but don’t take it as gospel – I’ve viewed a few original wills at PRONI and sometimes the details don’t quite tie up.



Ninian
:  Denization was 18 Jan  1611,,,, https://archive.org/details/lettersofdenizat01shaw/page/320

.son of James S of Bute.

Siblings:  David
              Jane (married Alex Magee)
              Christiann (married Brice Dunlop)

Children:
1 Arch (married Martha Dobbin) children a dau married George Vesey, Hollymount, a dau married             Richard DOBBS, Rev Archibald S md dau of John Vesey, Jane S,  and Alex S that married Jamaica Ann S
           
2  Ninian (married Jane McCullogh)  12 children
           
3  Catherine (married John Steward of Red Bay)

_________________

Alex S that married Jamaica Ann S had

Alec, md Cathann Hill  children Jane, Sophia
Ann, md Conway Richard Dobbs, children Alex, Richard, Randall
Rose md Edward Brice,  son Ed


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 31 August 19 23:37 BST (UK)
I read on Google Books a bit of Ireland Preserved; or the Siege of Londonderry, starting on page 292. It says at the end that the Gracehill family is not related to any other Stuarts in Ireland. Eventually that would have to be untrue though as the Stuarts of Gracehill would have eventually had descendants and moved around.


___________________________________________

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-FSVY?i=242&cat=185720

With the Deed of 1852 mentioning an earlier deed of 1847  does the earlier Deed give a relationship between James in Londonderry and George?


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 00:22 BST (UK)
 I could be wrong but I believe James Stuart of Londonderry and Charles George Stuart are brothers. They are the sons of Charles McDaniel Stuart and first cousins to my James Stuart (1784-1859).

James Stuart of Londonderry later became Major-General. He died in October of 1876 at University Terrace, Belfast. The family might have had a burial ground in Dervock.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 11:26 BST (UK)
It's been really difficult to find good sources for this but apparently James I gave land to his cousin who was an ambassador in Turin. This Stewart was on his way to Ireland from Turin when his ship went down. Later, his grandson or descendant of some sort, who is supposed to be Brigadier-general William Stuart, decided to take that land back.

It's been very confusing trying to figure it all out since so many people have different information.


http://www.gracehillhouse.com/history/

In the late 1500’s Gracehill House and estate did not exist. It’s story did not unfold until the early 1600’s when King James I of England and VI of Scotland granted lands in Ireland to a family member James Stuart by royal charter. James was the kings’ ambassador to the court of Italy in Turin. The grant he received included areas of land in Cavan, Monaghan and County Antrim. Unfortunately the ambassador never had the opportunity to take up residence as he tragically drowned whilst on route to occupy his land. The Stuart family over the centuries had members who were prepared to fight for what they believe in, the first that we know of was Brigadier-General William Stuart. William raised a regiment for the service of King William III which saw action at Derry, Augherim, Limerick and the Boyne. The cost of raising this regiment was one for which William never received reimbursement and the effect of this was that he became greatly impoverished causing him to lose most of his estate. His son James served with his father reaching the rank of Colonel; although severely wounded in battle, James still went on to father 21 children with his wife Jane Irwin from Roscommon.


Although the land in County Antrim stayed in the Stuart family it would be some time before Gracehill House as we know it would come into existence. It is through one of James’s children, Irwin Stuart that the story of Gracehill really starts to take shape. Irwin changed the focus of his battle to the souls of men, by taking holy orders and becoming the vicar of Ballywillan and Ballyrashane and later, Derrykeighan. He married Elizabeth McDaniel and had six children – Christopher, James, Charles, Archibald, Elizabeth and Henry. It is not until we read of Irwin’s son James that we hear of Gracehill House being mentioned for the first time.

It is believed that James undertook the construction of the house around 1775 and named it after his wife Grace (Lynd).
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 14:02 BST (UK)
Thanks. I've got most of that information but then there's more conflicting information.

I have this:
A handwritten note by Charles G Stuart, JP, Ballyhivistock where he traces his family back to Robert Stuart, a relative of  James I, who obtained lands in County Cavan at the Plantation. His grandson William raised his own regiment "Stuart's Regiment" at his own expense to fight for William III.  The king never refunded him. Rev. Irwin Stuart is the grandson of said William Stuart.

But then there's another William Stuart. General William Stewart 1643-1726, second son of Colonel William Stewart.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Steuart_(British_Army_officer)
I don't like using Wikipedia much.

I have an error in my tree surrounding Irwin Stuart's father and grandfathers. Some say that Irwin's father was James and others say he was Henry. I have it down as such (and you'll notice the error by the birth years):

Irwin Stuart (1708-1771 m. Elizabeth McDaniel) son of

Henry Stuart (b. Abt. 1680..m. Jane Irwin) son of

William Stuart (m. Mary Moore) son of

James Steuart (1650-1689) brother of the above mentioned William Stuart, son of

William Stuart (1625-1691 m. Barbara Stewart) son of

William Stewart of Mains, son of

Alexander Stewart, 6th Laird of Garlies (m. Christian Douglas)

It goes on further but I think you get the idea. So somewhere between Henry Stuart and William Stuart of Mains there are errors.


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 14:15 BST (UK)



 James was the kings’ ambassador to the court of Italy in Turin.

The grant he received included areas of land in Cavan, Monaghan and County Antrim.

Unfortunately the ambassador never had the opportunity to take up residence as he tragically drowned whilst on route to occupy his land..

...so who inherited his land in Cavan? 
...who inherited his land in Monaghan? 
....who inherited his land in Antrim?

3 brothers??

Robert Stuart,  obtained lands in County Cavan so he is "of Cavan line"....

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 14:24 BST (UK)
I haven't been able to find anything about a Stewart/Stuart (James or Robert) being an ambassador to Turin. It's very confusing. I'm reading mostly texts from archive.org or from Google Books.

It looks like the common story is that Robert or James Stuart, the ambassador, obtained lands but never got to them. His grandson, William (brigadier-general) wanted what was owed to his family. But there's nothing really there about it except from the Gracehill website and the handwritten note by Charles George Stuart.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 14:33 BST (UK)


So where is 'Turin' Steward buried? Did he leave a Will?

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 14:38 BST (UK)
If he was the ambassador during the reign of James VI/I then that would have been sometime between 1567 and 1625. There doesn't seem to be any record of ambassadors from Scotland or Great Britain or none that I have found anyways. I haven't found a Will but that doesn't mean there isn't one. I don't think there would be a burial for him since he was lost at sea.

I do remember reading somewhere about a Stuart who was in Spain. I'll have to try to find the source again.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 14:47 BST (UK)
Here it is:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=cbFfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA294&lpg=PA294&dq=rev+irwin+stuart&source=bl&ots=F8s9Wr1gCz&sig=ACfU3U0B5s1OqE7odCj8npJJ-lhuSda2gg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFnN-Vv5LkAhXmYN8KHad2AFYQ6AEwBXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=rev%20irwin%20stuart&f=false

In reference to Brigadier Stuart:
"He was descended from the Stuarts from Blackhall in Scotland, one of whom, a member of the Church of Rome, settled in Ballylusk, in the county of Antrim: he and his family being implicated in the troubles of 1641, forfeited their Irish estates and fled back to Scotland. Joining the Spanish service, he was killed in 1688 at Dunkirk, by the side of his royal master and relative, James, Duke of York, afterwards James II. He left a family in Spain....."

It goes on but I can't quite make out who they are talking about. It says something about the younger brother of the one who forfeited his Irish lands decided to join the opposite side of his brother and had a nice career with William III. I wonder if that's the William Stuart mentioned who was only left a shilling from his uncle.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 15:23 BST (UK)
William never received reimbursement and the effect of this was that he became greatly impoverished causing him to lose most of his estate. His son James served with his father reaching the rank of Colonel; although severely wounded in battle, James still went on to father 21 children with his wife Jane Irwin from Roscommon.


 William never received reimbursement and the effect of this was that he became greatly impoverished causing him to lose most of his estate. His son James served with his father reaching the rank of Colonel; although severely wounded in battle, James still went on to father 21 children with his wife Jane Irwin from Roscommon.


Although the land in County Antrim stayed in the Stuart family it would be some time before Gracehill House as we know it would come into existence. It is through one of James’s children, Irwin Stuart that the story of Gracehill really starts to take shape. Irwin changed the focus of his battle to the souls of men, by taking holy orders and becoming the vicar of Ballywillan and Ballyrashane and later, Derrykeighan. He married Elizabeth McDaniel and had six children – Christopher, James, Charles, Archibald, Elizabeth and Henry. It is not until we read of Irwin’s son James that we hear of Gracehill House being mentioned for the first time.

It is believed that James undertook the construction of the house around 1775 and named it after his wife Grace (Lynd).


??  Can't make sense of who Grace is!!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 15:37 BST (UK)
I believe Grace Lynd was the daughter of William Lynd and Margaret Templeton. There is a Will for Grace Lynd otherwise Bell who was the mother of William. She mentions Grace Stewart otherwise Lynd. I believe this Grace Lynd otherwise Bell or one of her daughters was somehow related to the Todd family but I haven't quite figured out how.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 15:42 BST (UK)


In the context of the house...It is believed that James undertook the construction of the house around 1775 and named it after his wife Grace (Lynd).


James still went on to father 21 children with his wife Jane Irwin from Roscommon.


??

Are these 2 different James??
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 15:46 BST (UK)
Yes. James who built Gracehill House was born in 1743. He was one of Irwin Stuart's sons. Irwin Stuart is the son of either James or Henry Stuart. Haven't been able to figure out which name is correct.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 01 September 19 15:49 BST (UK)
From family notes I have that Grace Lynd was the daughter of Rev. Charles Lynd.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 15:50 BST (UK)
Yes. James who built Gracehill House was born in 1743. He was one of Irwin Stuart's sons. Irwin Stuart is the son of either James or Henry Stuart. Haven't been able to figure out which name is correct.


http://www.gracehillhouse.com/history/

Certainly not written in a Reader Friendly mode!

Very vague!!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 15:54 BST (UK)


So......... Ballintroy ones have been flogged to Death!

Do you think they were the Stewarts of Bailiborough Castle?

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 16:32 BST (UK)
From family notes I have that Grace Lynd was the daughter of Rev. Charles Lynd.

From the Will I posted it looks like Rev Charles Lynd did have a daughter named Grace Lynd who married a Todd. I could be very wrong though. The way the Will is written I took it as William Lynd had a few daughters and one was Grace Stewart, wife of Mr. James Stewart.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 17:10 BST (UK)



 

The Stewarts of Bailieborough start with Unknown Stewart

who had
1. Clinghan   Denization??

2. Elizabeth who married a Dobson

3. William Lieut General md 1st Catherine Vicountess Grandison, 2nd Elizabeth Alston, dau of Sir Roland Alston, Wm died 1726, aged 74, Will of Wm, Hanover Sq, London, pr April 1727

4. John


Clinghan Stewart  had
1 Elizabeth S who married a Bingley

2. Jane S who married a Nugent, Westmeath... children Stewart N, James N, Elizabeth, Anne  and Jane Nugent who married a Stewart.

3. Charles S of Bailieborough and Dublin, 1st wife Mgt Gregory,  married 2nd  Sarah Moutray of FavorRoyal, Tyrone June 1717, Will dated 8 Apr 1740, Died. 11 May 1740, Will Pr. 18 June 1740
....Children. Rebecca who md. Charles Eccles, Esq. and   Wm Stewart of Baileborough Castle, md 1st, Jane Trotter dau of Thomas Trotter LLD Dublin, she d.1766  children Charles (Will dated 1788, Pr Mar 1793) wife was Jane (Possibly Jane Nugent)       and Rebecca

Wm Stewart of Baileborough Castle md 2ndly Dec 1777 Harriet Saunderson, nee Atkinson, Drumkeen, Co Cavan widow of Robert Saunderson.

4. Elinor

5. William, Col and Brig General. ( Married Mary Villiers ?  )



Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 17:18 BST (UK)
That 5th child, William, Colonel and Brigaider, who married Mary Villiers looks familiar but I've never seen the other names before. I'm getting more confused than I already was!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 17:28 BST (UK)


Would these be your Irwins?


Pedigree of Irwin of Rathmoyle, Co. Roscommon, 1580 -- 1927

Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms. 172, p. 155
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 17:57 BST (UK)
I think those are the right Irwins.

I found this:
Christopher (2) Irwin (1640-1714) of ORAN and LEABEG had the BONSHAW
coat on his tombstone in 1714

Jane Irwin was supposedly the daughter of Christopher Irwin and Sarah Ormsby.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 18:09 BST (UK)
I believe Grace Lynd was the daughter of William Lynd and Margaret Templeton. There is a Will for Grace Lynd otherwise Bell who was the mother of William. She mentions Grace Stewart otherwise Lynd. I believe this Grace Lynd otherwise Bell or one of her daughters was somehow related to the Todd family but I haven't quite figured out how.


Grace Lynd was the daughter of William Lynd and Margaret Templeton...

Wm Lynd was son of Rev Lynd and Grace Bell ...  Wm Lynd's  sister Grace married Todd

Grace Bell  was dau of Robert Bell and Jane Stewart  :o
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 01 September 19 18:10 BST (UK)
That's how I interpreted the Will. The wording and order can be a bit tricky. I went so far as to write it all down into a little chart.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 18:20 BST (UK)


So Wm's gran was a Stewart...and his daughter married a Stewart  ;D
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 18:27 BST (UK)
I think those are the right Irwins.

I found this:
Christopher (2) Irwin (1640-1714) of ORAN and LEABEG had the BONSHAW
coat on his tombstone in 1714

Jane Irwin was supposedly the daughter of Christopher Irwin and Sarah Ormsby.


Copy of confirmation of arms to the descendants of Col. Richard Irwin, eldest son of Richard Irwin, son of Richard Irwin all of Rathmoyle, son of Arthur Irwin of Fernhall, son of John Irwin of Ballinderry all in Roscommon and to the eldest son of the said Col. Irwin, being Arthur John Irwin of Rathmoyle, 1910

Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms. 111a, p. 41
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 18:38 BST (UK)
I think those are the right Irwins.

I found this:
Christopher (2) Irwin (1640-1714) of ORAN and LEABEG had the BONSHAW
coat on his tombstone in 1714

Jane Irwin was supposedly the daughter of Christopher Irwin and Sarah Ormsby.




Detailed abstracts of wills of Irwin of Leybeg and Oran in Co. Roscommon, of Londonderry, of Coles, Drumcoghy, Drumcare, Derrygore, Greenhills and Rockfield, all in Co. Fermanagh, 1709 -- c. 1850.

Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms. 141, pp. 299-307


___________________

If it were me I'd email the NLI  enquiring about how many pages there are for the Irwins and the cost of getting a copy of those pages quoting Ms. 141, pp. 299-307   via email

Costs nothing to ask!  :D
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 18:48 BST (UK)



Names of ye traitors in ye Castle of Dublin at ye first rebellion, Oct. 26, 1641.
Collection:    Stewart Mss.
Format:    Manuscript
Published:    1885

NLI ref...   MS_UR_049592


Papers of Capt. Stewart of Alltyrodin, Llandyssil, including papers of the Moore family, containing a number of items of Irish interest, 1641-1739. (Hist. Mss. Comm. Rep. 10, App. 4, 1885). Some of the papers are now in Liverpool Public Library, some in Liverpool University and some were sold. 
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 18:50 BST (UK)


Letter of A. Stewart to R. Stewart of Irry, Co. Antrim, Jan. 28, 1671 (1672). Two letters of J. Stewart to his father G. Stewart, one containing a pedigree of the Stewarts of Irry, May 1719, June, 1720, with genealogical notes on the Stewart family of Ballymoney area, Co. Antrim.

Subjects:    
Stewart, family of
Stewart, A.
Stewart, George
Stewart, James
Stewart, Robert
Stuart, family of


Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, D. 459
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 18:53 BST (UK)



Query concerning one, Nicholas Stewart, whose name is inscribed on a slab in the church of Ballintoy, County Antrim. Notes by G. S.

Citation:    Ulster journal of archaeology , Ser. 1, Vol. V, pp. 350-1, 1857; Vol. VI, pp. 106-7, 1858
At the NLI:
Call number: Ir 794105 u 1

may be online??

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 18:54 BST (UK)


Pedigree of Stewart of Ballintoy and Ballinlough, of Artimacormick and Clare Park, Ballycastle and Gilgorm, Ballymena and Drumnagassen and of Eason all in Co. Antrim, c. 1600 -- 1873.

Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.180, pp.2-9

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 18:57 BST (UK)



Pedigree of Stewart of Ballytoye and Ballydivity, Co. Antrim, c.1750 -- 1843

Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.174, p.104


If it were me I'd email the NLI  enquiring about the cost of getting a copy of this...
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 19:09 BST (UK)



Names of ye traitors in ye Castle of Dublin at ye first rebellion, Oct. 26, 1641.
Collection:    Stewart Mss.
Format:    Manuscript
Published:    1885

NLI ref...   MS_UR_049592


Papers of Capt. Stewart of Alltyrodin, Llandyssil, including papers of the Moore family, containing a number of items of Irish interest, 1641-1739. (Hist. Mss. Comm. Rep. 10, App. 4, 1885). Some of the papers are now in Liverpool Public Library, some in Liverpool University and some were sold.


The cottage  Alltyrodin that he survived in!

John Lloyd, died unmarried and devised the estates to a female cousin, Anne Stewart,....

https://houseandheritage.org/2018/07/01/alltyrodyn/




 
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 19:48 BST (UK)



Names of ye traitors in ye Castle of Dublin at ye first rebellion, Oct. 26, 1641.
Collection:    Stewart Mss.
Format:    Manuscript
Published:    1885

NLI ref...   MS_UR_049592


Papers of Capt. Stewart of Alltyrodin, Llandyssil, including papers of the Moore family, containing a number of items of Irish interest, 1641-1739. (Hist. Mss. Comm. Rep. 10, App. 4, 1885). Some of the papers are now in Liverpool Public Library, some in Liverpool University and some were sold.


https://archive.org/details/manuscriptsofear00grea/page/n9
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 21:58 BST (UK)
It's been really difficult to find good sources for this but apparently James I gave land to his cousin who was an ambassador in Turin. This Stewart was on his way to Ireland from Turin when his ship went down. Later, his grandson or descendant of some sort, who is supposed to be Brigadier-general William Stuart, decided to take that land back.

It's been very confusing trying to figure it all out since so many people have different information.


??

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 01 September 19 22:11 BST (UK)

Ninian
:  Denization was 18 Jan  1611,,,, https://archive.org/details/lettersofdenizat01shaw/page/320

.son of James S of Bute.

Siblings:  David
              Jane (married Alex Magee)
              Christiann (married Brice Dunlop)

Children:
1 Arch (married Martha Dobbin) children a dau married George Vesey, Hollymount, a dau married             Richard DOBBS, Rev Archibald S md dau of John Vesey, Jane S,  and Alex S that married Jamaica Ann S
           
2  Ninian (married Jane McCullogh)  12 children
           
3  Catherine (married John Steward of Red Bay)

_________________

Alex S that married Jamaica Ann S had

Alec, md Cathann Hill  children Jane, Sophia
Ann, md Conway Richard Dobbs, children Alex, Richard, Randall
Rose md Edward Brice,  son Ed

Hi Hallmark,

Thanks for the link to the denization book – I hadn’t come across it before.

Where did you get the other bits of info from?  I’ve heard of the marriage to Martha Dobbs before, but there are other suggestions – Isabel Echlin (daughter of bishop Robert Echlin) and/or a Miss Ward of Co Down.

Gilby
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 September 19 23:00 BST (UK)


Capt Poyntz Stewart  married Magdalene Gayer...her mother was Agnes Echlin who married Rev Echlin son of Sir Henry Echlin whose wives were Moores.  1st wife Jane Moore sister of Earl of Drogheda, 2nd wife Mary dau of Brabazon Moore, she was g/daughter of Charles 2nd Viscount Drogheda...


BUT the Moores were one of these families who changed their Surname to inherit from a Will! Grrr...

I have them from a post made here years ago if I can find it again!


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 02 September 19 18:56 BST (UK)


Jane’s father Alexander Stewart inherited the Acton estate from his paternal grandmother Sarah Poyntz, daughter of Sir Toby Poyntz.  As far as I can make out this Stewart line goes back to Ninian Stewart who came over to Ballintoy from the Isle of Bute in about 1600.

 

I now have  Pedigree of Stewart of Ballintoy and Ballinlough, of Artimacormick and Clare Park, Ballycastle and Gilgorm, Ballymena and Drumnagassen and of Eason all in Co. Antrim, c. 1600 -- 1873.

Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.180, pp.2-9

which is basically a report done by Dobbs and only names those involved with some Court Case!!



Jane’s father Archibald Stewart bought the Acton estate for £2000 from his paternal grandmother Sarah Stewart (nee Poyntz) who married Col Charles Stewart  and/or her Sister Christian Hall (nee Poyntz) who was married to Roger Hall....their daughter married Col Charles Stewart son of Alex Stewart and Isabella Stewart  (nee Stewart dau of John Stewart Balnakillie)

He bought Christian Hall's half anyway.

The Stewart line only goes from Ninian* to his 1st son Archibald who married a Ward of the Castleward Family and 3rd son Ninian who married Jane McCullough (whose 2nd dau married Thomas Stewart of Esson)


So, basically it only covers those involved in the "Hutchinson Bequest"!!

 
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 02 September 19 19:04 BST (UK)
Are you saying the pedigree (MS 180, pp2-9) is a report done by Dobbs as part of his work on the Hutchinson Bequest?

Do you have a copy of the MS?

Archibald Stewart was Jane’s granduncle.  He only had one son who died young, so most of his property went to his nephew Alexander Stewart.

This is the deed where Roger Hall and his wife Christian Poyntz sell their half of the Acton estate to her nephew Rev. Archibald Stewart of Ballintoy:

Book 3 / Page 277 / Number 927
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-M3TV-2?i=258&cat=185720
Memorial of lease and release dated the 1st and 2nd Aug 1709 between Roger Hall of Mount Hall in the Barony of Upper Iveagh, Co Down, and Christian his wife (which said Christian is one of the daughters and coheirs of Sir Toby Poyntz late of Acton, Co Armagh, Knt, deceased) of the one part; and the Reverend Archibald Stewart of Ballintoy, Co Antrim, eldest son and heir of Sarah Stewart als Poyntz deceased, the other daughter and coheir of said Toby Poyntz.  For £2000 Roger Hall and Christian sold to Archibald Stewart all that the said Christian’s moiety or share undivided of the manor of Castle Town and Lands of Acton.  Witnessed by William Moore of Drumbanacher, Co Armagh Esq, Alexander Stewart of the city of Dublin, gent, attorney, and John Killpatrick of the city of Dublin, yeoman.  Memorial witnessed by Alexander Stewart and John Killpatrick.

I feel in danger of hi-jacking this thread and wonder whether it would be better creating a separate one for the Stewarts of Ballintoy…?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 02 September 19 19:19 BST (UK)
Are you saying the pedigree (MS 180, pp2-9) is a report done by Dobbs as part of his work on the Hutchinson Bequest?


I feel in danger of hi-jacking this thread and wonder whether it would be better creating a separate one for the Stewarts of Ballintoy…?


Sorry though it was clear that is was the report done by Dobbs.

Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.180, pp.2-9

which is basically a report done by Dobbs and only names those involved with some Court Case!!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 02 September 19 20:46 BST (UK)


I feel in danger of hi-jacking this thread and wonder whether it would be better creating a separate one for the Stewarts of Ballintoy…?

It is a thread  for the Stewarts of Ballintoy  into which other Stewarts are interwoven!

The Stewarts of Ballintoy book has been posted.


Pedigree of Stewart of Ballytoye  c.1750 -- 1843  Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.174, p.104 has been posted.

but Pedigree of Stewart of Ballytoye c.1750 -- 1843  includes Pedigree of Stewart of Ballydivity, Co. Antrim, c.1750 -- 1843

as per
Pedigree of Stewart of Ballytoye and Ballydivity, Co. Antrim, c.1750 -- 1843

Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.174, p.104

which can be obtained at minimal cost as it is only 1 page.

The 8 page Pedigree Ms.180, pp.2-9   wasn't very expensive........


No need for starting a completely new thread.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 02 September 19 21:08 BST (UK)
Fair enough, but the thread was posted about the Stuarts of Gracehill and Ballyhivistock, not about the Stewarts of Ballintoy and Ballydivity.  They’re two different families.  I just didn’t want to tread on the OP’s toes.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Tuesday 03 September 19 01:15 BST (UK)
Fair enough, but the thread was posted about the Stuarts of Gracehill and Ballyhivistock, not about the Stewarts of Ballintoy and Ballydivity.  They’re two different families.  I just didn’t want to tread on the OP’s toes.

It's okay. I'm so completely lost in this thread at this point. Might as well be a free-for-all. These Stuarts or Stewarts or Steuarts seem to be tricky for everyone.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Colin1718 on Friday 06 September 19 17:01 BST (UK)
Sorry for coming in so late (thanks Linde ;) but Hallmark I had a few questions.
  You said what you found at the National Library in Dublin was the "report done by Dobbs". The Dobbs Report (reprint 2019 by Peter Hutchinson) is a 103 page book which currently includes 3,613 people in a Gedcom. 9 pages of material can not be the report.
  However, the actual "Report" also does not include any of the information you showed on the one page (Roger Hall married Christian Poyntz). The report has no dates, few locations and fewer titles which makes the modern genealogy difficult. It appears to me you may have found some of Dobbs' notes on his work. Since no one seems to know where those notes are located, you may have an important segment at the National Library. Is this possible?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Friday 06 September 19 17:43 BST (UK)
Hi Colin,

I’ve wondered the same after coming across the Orr Pedigree which includes the Stewarts of Ballintoy (Registered Pedigrees, Vol. 26):

http://catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=genealogical+180&type=AllFields&submit=FIND&filter%5B%5D=digitised%3A%22Digitised%22&filter%5B%5D=topic_facet%3A%22Heraldry%22

This refers to the Dobbs report a couple of times, including at the top, “Janet or Elizabeth Blair: mentioned in the first report of Francis Dobbs, Esq., barrister at law made in the year 1796 (Chancery suit in England for the administration of the Hutcheson bequest) as the wife of Ninian Stewart”

I have a copy of the “First Report” of Francis Dobbs.  It doesn’t mention Peter Hutchinson, but it is 103 pages long.  As far as I can see my copy does not name Janet/Elizabeth Blair, so I wondered what the above pedigree extract was referring to.

Gilby
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Colin1718 on Friday 06 September 19 19:51 BST (UK)
That seems to be the problem. The book you have is the same as mine. Peter (alive and well in New Zealand) reprinted this book which was published circa 1796. PRONI has a document dated 1794. I don't known if it had more info. The claim is that more then 15,000 people filed claims which Dobbs had to review and whittle down to the actual families. It is that paperwork that is missing.
   Also- your Orr Pedigree makes the Blair claim from the Ulster Inquests not Dobbs Report. Did you find that info?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: pablo1 on Saturday 21 September 19 09:37 BST (UK)
I am not sure, but the book that some are discussing might be "The Hutchinson Bequest" which was compiled through research done by J. A. I. McCurdy.  If so, copies of it may be found in the Linenhall Library, Belfast, the N. I. Family History Society, the Irish Room, Coleraine Library, and the N.E.E.L.B. County Library, Ballymena.

I was interested in the Ballintoy Stewarts connection to the Macaulay family of Cushendall as Capt. (later Major) Alexander Macaulay had married Alice Stewart, daughter of Ninion Stewart, younger and his wife, Jane McCullough.  The Macaulays were also closely related through marriage to the Dobbs family.

However, not only had Alexander Macaulay married a Ballintoy Stewart, but his daughter Ealse (Alice) most likely had as well.  She was married to Capt. Robert Stewart whom I really know not much about except that she and Robert had issue a son, James, who had issue James, Jr., Dorothea, and Catherine.  Seems James, Jr.had a son, Robert;  Catherine married George Longworth and their descendants became the the family of Longworth-Dames; and Dorthea married Thomas Dawson and had a daughter, Helena.

There are also other Macaulay marriages that I would like more information on besides the above mentioned Captain Robert Stewart's.  For example, according to Eustace's Abstract of Wills, George Stewart of Red Bay, gent. who had died sometime between 1730 and 1737 was married in 1712 to Sheely McAulay.  She and George had issue one son, Francis Stewart.  The family of George Stewart is not mentioned in the Hutchinson Bequest.

The Macaulay family of Cushendall is descended from the Macaulay family of Ardincaple, Scotland.  The last male heir of this family passed away in 1893, so I am not sure what happened to whatever genealogical records this family may have kept.  If there are any in existence, I would like to know.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 04 April 20 11:06 BST (UK)
The reference that you would find invaluable is. Three hundred years in Innishowen by Amy Young.
She was a Stuart before her marriage and has written an extensive and invaluable history which documents much of the family history.
You might be able to get it from a library but it is rare. However, I note a copy for sale as below.
http://www.deburcararebooks.com/three-hundred-years-in-innishowen-by-young-amy-isabel-e75/


Hi All,

I’ve now got a copy of Amy Young’s book which is EPIC!  Well worth the expense.

It has 10 pages (+ family tree) on the Stuarts of Ballyhivistock.  Let me know if you need me to look something up.

Gilby
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 05 April 20 00:29 BST (UK)
Thanks Gilby! That would be great.

Does it mention anything about who Irwin Stuart's father and grandfather were?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 05 April 20 15:32 BST (UK)
Hi Benody,

She quotes the manuscript of Charles George Stuart (are you familiar with this?) and then points out that “proofs of the assertions made in the first part of it are, so far, not forthcoming”. 

She mentions several William Stewarts involved in King William’s army, “but further investigation would appear to exclude them on one account or another.”  Therefore there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of who Irwin Stuart’s grandfather was.

The father of Irwin Stewart was neither James nor Alexander, but Henry, and is so given in another “tree” compiled by the late Lieut. Irwin, and continued by his cousin Henry Irwin.  Irwin Stewart, in his entry to Trinity College, Dublin, gives the name of his father as Henry.

A will of a Sarah Ormsby, dated 17--, mentions her grand-dau. Jane Stuart, and one of the witnesses of the will is “Hen: Stuart.”


Gilby
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 05 April 20 16:36 BST (UK)

 There are also other Macaulay marriages that I would like more information on besides the above mentioned Captain Robert Stewart's.  For example, according to Eustace's Abstract of Wills, George Stewart of Red Bay, gent. who had died sometime between 1730 and 1737 was married in 1712 to Sheely McAulay.  She and George had issue one son, Francis Stewart.  The family of George Stewart is not mentioned in the Hutchinson Bequest.

 


Might be  other details in Marriage Agreement of 1712...

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 05 April 20 17:40 BST (UK)
Sorry for coming in so late (thanks Linde ;) but Hallmark I had a few questions.
  You said what you found at the National Library in Dublin was the "report done by Dobbs". The Dobbs Report (reprint 2019 by Peter Hutchinson) is a 103 page book which currently includes 3,613 people in a Gedcom. 9 pages of material can not be the report.
  However, the actual "Report" also does not include any of the information you showed on the one page (Roger Hall married Christian Poyntz). The report has no dates, few locations and fewer titles which makes the modern genealogy difficult. It appears to me you may have found some of Dobbs' notes on his work. Since no one seems to know where those notes are located, you may have an important segment at the National Library. Is this possible?

It possibly is.... in order for him to set out Whom is related to Whom, Marriages, Children etc...who the children Married, Deaths.

In order to compile his report he wouldn't have kept all 3,613 people names/dates/lineages in his head

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 05 April 20 18:40 BST (UK)


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-S3XS-B?i=129&cat=185720  possibly same Smiths on Poyntz pedigree

??
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Monday 06 April 20 01:05 BST (UK)
Hi Benody,

She quotes the manuscript of Charles George Stuart (are you familiar with this?) and then points out that “proofs of the assertions made in the first part of it are, so far, not forthcoming”. 

She mentions several William Stewarts involved in King William’s army, “but further investigation would appear to exclude them on one account or another.”  Therefore there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of who Irwin Stuart’s grandfather was.

The father of Irwin Stewart was neither James nor Alexander, but Henry, and is so given in another “tree” compiled by the late Lieut. Irwin, and continued by his cousin Henry Irwin.  Irwin Stewart, in his entry to Trinity College, Dublin, gives the name of his father as Henry.

A will of a Sarah Ormsby, dated 17--, mentions her grand-dau. Jane Stuart, and one of the witnesses of the will is “Hen: Stuart.”


Gilby

Thanks so much Gilby. So Henry was his father. Thanks for clarifying that. I suppose there's no way of finding out Henry's father's name now. I've tried to make the connection between Irwin Stuart's father and Brigadier-General William Steuart. The dates don't like up for them to have been father and son.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 01:24 BST (UK)


Pity there is no date...

A will of a Sarah Ormsby, dated 17--, mentions her grand-dau. Jane Stuart, and one of the witnesses of the will is “Hen: Stuart.” …

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 03:55 BST (UK)
Hi Benody,

She quotes the manuscript of Charles George Stuart (are you familiar with this?) and then points out that “proofs of the assertions made in the first part of it are, so far, not forthcoming”. 

She mentions several William Stewarts involved in King William’s army, “but further investigation would appear to exclude them on one account or another.”  Therefore there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of who Irwin Stuart’s grandfather was.

The father of Irwin Stewart was neither James nor Alexander, but Henry, and is so given in another “tree” compiled by the late Lieut. Irwin, and continued by his cousin Henry Irwin.  Irwin Stewart, in his entry to Trinity College, Dublin, gives the name of his father as Henry.

A will of a Sarah Ormsby, dated 17--, mentions her grand-dau. Jane Stuart, and one of the witnesses of the will is “Hen: Stuart.”


Gilby

Thanks so much Gilby. So Henry was his father. Thanks for clarifying that. I suppose there's no way of finding out Henry's father's name now. I've tried to make the connection between Irwin Stuart's father and Brigadier-General William Steuart. The dates don't like up for them to have been father and son.

Not sure why the really important bit  Dunaman, Limerick has been omitted!! Crazy!!!!

A register of students, graduates professors & provosts of Trinity College, Univ. of Dublin yrs: 1593-1846

Irwin Stuart     1728    20 Henry Generosus Dunaman, Limerick

 

Absolutely ridiculous!!


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 03:57 BST (UK)


Good Luck!!

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 06 April 20 10:14 BST (UK)
Hallmark,

I’m not sure if that is intended as a criticism of me or of Amy Young?


Benody,

I wouldn’t give up!  As indicated by Hallmark, you may be able to find out more about Henry Stuart and the Irwin family, which might lead you to the answer.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 10:34 BST (UK)


Whoever is Censoring the important bits from records!


Wasted nearly half an hour trying to find the Limerick bit.



Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 06 April 20 10:39 BST (UK)
Well in this case that would be Amy Young who died in 1949!

The extract in italics is from her book which as far as I can see makes no mention of Dunaman.  I hadn't yet got around to looking up the Alumni Dublinensis.

 :'(
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 10:50 BST (UK)


Has no one (alive!) who is looking for him not checked?

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 11:04 BST (UK)


In the  Ireland Resources Section  there is the likes of  http://1641.tcd.ie

Has anyone living checked them for Stewarts or whoever in whatever County they need?

(Image with some details removed to avoid Copyright infringement)

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 11:05 BST (UK)

Can check names from Dobbs Report plus County
m
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 06 April 20 11:20 BST (UK)
Has no one (alive!) who is looking for him not checked?

You got there first I think!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 11:26 BST (UK)


Charles Stewart who married Rose Hall was from Perthshire....and you've the other Charles in Spain with Will.


Apart from yourself is anyone alive actually doing research on them?





Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 11:31 BST (UK)
Has no one (alive!) who is looking for him not checked?

You got there first I think!



It looks that way!

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 11:34 BST (UK)


Charles Stewart who married Rose Hall was from Perthshire....and you've the other Charles in Spain with Will.


Apart from yourself is anyone alive actually doing research on them?


m




Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Monday 06 April 20 11:45 BST (UK)
That's an interesting bit about the Stewart in Spain.

What can we find out about the Stuart who was supposedly the ambassador to Turin? I believe it was mentioned by Charles Stewart and then a Google search I did brought up something about the Brigadier and how Irwin Stuart was his grandson. It said a Stuart (maybe Irwin) had a relative who lived in Italy in a convent and wanted him to send one of his daughters but he wouldnt. I'll try to find the link.

It's all very confusing. I'm sure I read somewhere too that these Stuarts/Stewarts/Steuarts were not related to any of the other Stewarts in Ireland.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 11:48 BST (UK)


Interesting History of area..

https://antrimhistory.net/statistical-account-of-ardclinis-and-laid-by-the-rev-richard-stewart-dobbs-curate/

nice photos too.

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 11:59 BST (UK)
That's an interesting bit about the Stewart in Spain.

What can we find out about the Stuart who was supposedly the ambassador to Turin? I believe it was mentioned by Charles Stewart and then a Google search I did brought up something about the Brigadier and how Irwin Stuart was his grandson. It said a Stuart (maybe Irwin) had a relative who lived in Italy in a convent and wanted him to send one of his daughters but he wouldnt. I'll try to find the link.

It's all very confusing. I'm sure I read somewhere too that these Stuarts/Stewarts/Steuarts were not related to any of the other Stewarts in Ireland.



Well they are from Fife...and Perthshire so far, so I'd take the bit "not related to any of the other Stewarts in Ireland"  as a very sweeping statement to make!

Are the other Stewart lines in Ireland originally connected with siblings of any other the Fife or Perthshire ones from that Generation or earlier etc or Stewart families they intermarried with in Scotland in e.g 11th Century?
 

plenty of people make statements like that because they haven't found proof they were not related!!

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 13:00 BST (UK)

e.g... you have John Stewart of Red Bay!

His brother George's Will was posted on other thread, on that it mentions a Marriage Agreement (to a mcAuley or similar)  dated  17something, that should get Father's Name

so that ties 2 Stewarts by that marriage Catherine to John of Red Bay, so the Red Bay ones connect to Ballintoy ones.... BUT then one can look to see if John and George connect to the other ones very nearby, or not!

"The family of George Stewart is not mentioned in the Hutchinson Bequest."... but is John his brother??

Do the Red Bay ones connect to Gracehill ones??



Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 13:05 BST (UK)

They settled in Dunseverick...then moved!

Did any of the nearby ones settle in Dunsevick first and then one of them move to Gracehill??

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 13:13 BST (UK)

Archie was related to Archie....
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 13:18 BST (UK)

So the Ballintoy ones bring in Red Bay one, Ramoan ones..do other ones nearby connect??  etc etc...
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 06 April 20 21:01 BST (UK)
RE Colonel Charles Stewart who might have died in Spain, this is an extract of his will from PRONI T700/1:

Will of Charles Stewart of Ballintoy co Antrim Col
1st son Archibald clk
2nd son Toby
3rd son Richard Stewart
4th son Alexander
Daughters Rose and Jane
Bute crest and arms


This is not dated, but the Diocese of Connor index says "D of Bond 1711 D. 1703".  I'm not sure what that means...?  PRONI D2225/7/42 says Charles Stewart died in 1703.

I’ve not yet come across anything to link the Stuarts of Ballyhivistock with the Stewarts of Ballintoy (etc), but yes they probably are related somewhere along the way. 

I’m not descended from either family unfortunately.

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 21:20 BST (UK)


The one in Spain died years later... 1711
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 06 April 20 22:02 BST (UK)
The 1711 date may still be correct, I'm not sure.  The Diocese of Connor index says "D of Bond 1711 D. 1703".
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 22:42 BST (UK)


Henry Irwin Stuart was born on 23 March 1853 at Ballyhivistock, near Dervock in north County Antrim, one of twin boys. He and his brother James were the third....

 Journal Article
Francis Stuart's Australian Connection: The Life and Death of Henry Irwin Stuart
F. C. Molloy
Irish University Review
Vol. 16, No. 1 (Spring, 1986), pp. 22-32
Published by: Edinburgh University Press

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25477612
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Monday 06 April 20 22:57 BST (UK)


So my hunch was correct...they are the Roscommon ones I posted on this thread or the other thread

bet my hunch about Ormsbys being from Sligo will be too!   :D

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Tuesday 07 April 20 18:11 BST (UK)
I think I need to write this all down in a book or else my head will explode.

So, where is everyone in the Stuart/Stewart/Steuart family? I supposedly descend from Irwin Stuart and Elizabeth McDaniel. I presume he was born in Ireland since his mother was Jane Irwin who was supposedly from Roscommon and was the daughter of Christopher Irwin and Sarah Ormsby.

Then Irwin Stuart, his wife Elizabeth, and his sister who married Elizabeth's brother Charles, all moved to Derrykeighan. Is this right? I've had the hardest time with these Stuarts and trying to keep them all straight.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 07 April 20 20:10 BST (UK)


I thought I had Sarah's Will a few nights ago but it went to Co. Meath and to g/children there..no Irwin mentioned.

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 07 April 20 20:27 BST (UK)



What year did the wealthy Dobbs die?

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:03 BST (UK)

 

So Christopher Irwin married Sarah Ormsby somewhere, at sometime, she left a Will in 17--, and they had a daughter Jane Irwin at sometime maybe in Roscommon..who then married a Stewart, somewhere, whenever and they had a son Irwin at some stage and he married Elizabeth McDaniel and ended up in Antrim.

Is this correct?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:11 BST (UK)
Yes that seems to be the general consensus. Irwin was a Reverend of some sort. They seemed to have several children. One of them being my 4th great-grandfather, James Stuart, who built Gracehill House in Derrykeighan for his wife Grace Lynd.

It's too bad Irish records are so difficult to work with.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:23 BST (UK)
According to Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Sarah Ormsby was the grandmother of Jane Irwin who married Henry Stewart/Stuart.  I just had a look for her will too, but drew a blank.

The above book does not name Christopher’s wife, so I don’t know if she was called Sarah too.

Which wealthy Dobbs are you referring to Hallmark?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:29 BST (UK)
According to Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Sarah Ormsby was the grandmother of Jane Irwin who married Henry Stewart/Stuart.  I just had a look for her will too, but drew a blank.

The above book does not name Christopher’s wife, so I don’t know if she was called Sarah too.

Which wealthy Dobbs are you referring to Hallmark?


The wealthy Dobbs who left the bequest...

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:30 BST (UK)
Attached is Betham’s note of the marriage licence for Irwin Stewart* and Elizabeth MacDaniel.  This can be viewed on Findmypast (searchable), or for free on familysearch (not so easy to search).

*According to Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Irwin and his son Charles McDaniel always signed their name “Stewart” – it seems that later generations changed it to “Stuart”.

Here is an extract from the will of James “Fatty” Stewart, the uncle of Elizabeth McDaniel (also from Betham):

Captain James Stewart
5 Feb 1736 --- pr 21 Nov 1737
Nieces Margt Young alias McDaniel
Niece Susanna Sumpton als McDaniel
Niece Elizabeth Stewart alias McDaniel
Nice Sara MacDonniel
Sister Jane McDanniel
Godson Alexander Stewart of Ballylough
Nephew Charles Mac Daniel

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:32 BST (UK)
Yes that seems to be the general consensus. Irwin was a Reverend of some sort. They seemed to have several children. One of them being my 4th great-grandfather, James Stuart, who built Gracehill House in Derrykeighan for his wife Grace Lynd.

It's too bad Irish records are so difficult to work with.


They can be with no dates for anyone...

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:43 BST (UK)
Which wealthy Dobbs are you referring to Hallmark?
The wealthy Dobbs who left the bequest...

Oh!  It wasn't Dobbs who left the bequest, it was Archibald Hutchinson.  He left a load of money to his "poor and necessitous relations":
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1715-1754/member/hutcheson-archibald-1659-1740

Francis Dobbs was the barrister hired to sort the whole mess out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Dobbs

If you didn't know this already why were you so quick to shoot me down on the other thread?  ???

No!!!   Dobb's Report is compiled from Pedigrees he found!!

It looks like the Dobbs Report is based on the version of the Stewart pedigree which Betham had compiled and which were listed elsewhere and by McAnlis!! 

Dobbs has over 3500 names in his report, where do people think he got them from??
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 07 April 20 21:58 BST (UK)
Attached is Betham’s note of the marriage licence for Irwin Stewart* and Elizabeth MacDaniel.  This can be viewed on Findmypast (searchable), or for free on familysearch (not so easy to search).

*According to Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Irwin and his son Charles McDaniel always signed their name “Stewart” – it seems that later generations changed it to “Stuart”.

Here is an extract from the will of James “Fatty” Stewart, the uncle of Elizabeth McDaniel (also from Betham):

Captain James Stewart
5 Feb 1736 --- pr 21 Nov 1737
Nieces Margt Young alias McDaniel
Niece Susanna Sumpton als McDaniel
Niece Elizabeth Stewart alias McDaniel
Nice Sara MacDonniel
Sister Jane McDanniel
Godson Alexander Stewart of Ballylough
Nephew Charles Mac Daniel



No Will registered   
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 07 April 20 22:06 BST (UK)

or Stuart

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 08 April 20 00:30 BST (UK)
Which wealthy Dobbs are you referring to Hallmark?
The wealthy Dobbs who left the bequest...

Oh!  It wasn't Dobbs who left the bequest, it was Archibald Hutchinson.  He left a load of money to his "poor and necessitous relations":
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1715-1754/member/hutcheson-archibald-1659-1740

Francis Dobbs was the barrister hired to sort the whole mess out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Dobbs

If you didn't know this already why were you so quick to shoot me down on the other thread?  ???

No!!!   Dobb's Report is compiled from Pedigrees he found!!

It looks like the Dobbs Report is based on the version of the Stewart pedigree which Betham had compiled and which were listed elsewhere and by McAnlis!! 

Dobbs has over 3500 names in his report, where do people think he got them from??



Yes... Dobbs did the report! Son of Rev Dobbs etc etc  by researching Wills to prove/disprove claims

Same Wills Betham looked at...or did Betham use Dobbs stuff ??

Haven't a clue who Hutchinson was...


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 08 April 20 01:03 BST (UK)

Not sure why you're having a pop at me or expect me to be an expert on Dobbs but as I say you seem to be the only one doing actual reearch on them.

Why in the last 40 years didn't someone even look to see who the one at Trinity was and from where??   LIMERICK.

Dobbs was selected because of Who he was and knew...

The Irwins were from Roscommon, their pedigree MS has been posted.... and they intermarried with the Ormsbys... who also intermarried with Stewarts   e.g Catherine Stewart nee Ormsby (link https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-PGJ9?i=645&cat=185720 ) some earlier ones too!  You have Sarah Ormsby marrying an Irwin...etc

No point in looking for them in Antrim if they weren't in Antrim!

You've James Stewart registering stuff in a transaction with Dobbs as previously posted!

Looks like more progress has been made in the last 40 hours compared with whatever is in some book or whatever from 40 years ago!

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 08 April 20 01:12 BST (UK)


2 Stewart Ormsby there, one after other.

Might have a look for Stewart/Irwin stuff tomorrow

The Ormsby Pedigee is in my other house and not travelling at moment due to Lockdown ( thanks to Chinese Take-Away )

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 08 April 20 01:17 BST (UK)


Hutchinson's Legacy had to be dealt with in London and terms changed ... What year was it and What was outcome?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 08 April 20 01:22 BST (UK)

 

So Christopher Irwin married Sarah Ormsby somewhere, at sometime, she left a Will in 17--, and they had a daughter Jane Irwin at sometime maybe in Roscommon..who then married a Stewart, somewhere, whenever and they had a son Irwin at some stage and he married Elizabeth McDaniel and ended up in Antrim.

Is this correct?


Bit vague.  Any idea of dates for anything?

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 08 April 20 01:47 BST (UK)

Are these the same Stewarts marrying same Dobbs  ??

Antrim/Armagh/Kildare

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 08 April 20 02:03 BST (UK)


I see McAuley mentioned too in above... any connection with John/George of Red Bay??

Did you read George's Will ?  Anything interesting in it?

Haven't read it!


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Wednesday 08 April 20 14:51 BST (UK)
So can you give me tips on how to search for these Stewarts/Stuarts on Ancestry and Family Search?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 08 April 20 22:24 BST (UK)


Don't know about Ancestry... but FS is very difficult to explain, there are a few posts on the Ireland Resources Section explaining how to use them which will most probably be under Reg of Wills/Deeds threads.

I'm used to them having been to Reg of Wills/Deeds in Dublin for too many years and having them explained. They are not in numerical sequence many times and page numbers don't match the page numbers in reference.

For instance, I was looking for irwin/ormsby stuff so obviously they would be under 'I'

ehhh.. No.

When I looked at the 'I's there were only a few Surnames....then I realized many were under J

So one needs the check E for Erwin, Ervine  I for Irwin, Irvine and if none under I then check J for Jrwin, Jrvine  because of the way some wrote their I's  and others wrote the J's  so these are often lumped together.

For Stewart... check Stewart, Steward, Steuart, Steuard, Stuard, Stuart etc etc...

The Index is here... 

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/185720?availability=Family%20History%20Library


the early ones are for many years  e.g.  Grantor index O 1708-1785 but as one goes through the following years you can see how difficult or virtually impossible to find stuff without having a reference to what year something happened!

So you find one you want to look at...the first column matches the volume (v) you need so you scroll down catalog until you see Deeds, etc., v.   e.g  Deeds, etc., v. 158-159 1752-1753

if you need 159 you need to scroll to middle of film then look for the black index card at start of film, double check it says 159 then look after black card for the reference number you want. At that stage you can hope it is in the sequence lot....if not all one can do is check page after page after page until it is found.

Simple enough when you get used to it..... so end of tips! 

attaching a snippet from Index so you can see without a year extremely long process!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 08 April 20 22:40 BST (UK)


Ormsby/Irvine

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNJ-TZZ2?i=251&cat=185720

their next entry is under

Ormsby/Irwin



Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 08 April 20 23:31 BST (UK)


Which family did Mrs Hutchinson belong to?




 
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 09 April 20 16:58 BST (UK)


you'll need to check Knox to Irwin where Knox is buying land in Cork from Irwin and Widow Boyle., Col Irwin's wife was Widow Boyle at time of transaction, and then she is in Sligo referred to as Lady Anna Irwin.

https://www.logainm.ie/en/44812  Tanrego  is where they are on Deeds...  if you click on Open Scanned records, go to slide 4 and you'll see him referred to as Colonel Irwin.

Later he is selling land to a pile of Irwins for an Army Promotion. Earlier there is a Jones to Irvine Deed from late 1600's being endorsed in early 1700's when Reg started 1708, so they were there in late 1600's and the Irwins and Jones married at some stage too as they are listed here.  These are at various locations including Carrowkeel next door to Ormsbys.

You'll need Irwin to Stewart, Londondery plus Irwin to Phibbs, Jane Irwin was nee Phibbs.

Then Anne Irvine married a Stewart. so at least one connection.....he dies and she remarries Mills in Roscommon so you'll need Mills to Irwin.  (see snippet, which might be allowed  have no problem if it is not.)

https://www.logainm.ie/en/44812  Tanrego West  click  open scanned records, see slide4.



 
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 09 April 20 18:00 BST (UK)


National Library of Ireland: Agreement between Thomas Lovelace and John Irving re property in Tireragh, 1675. D.8779.

National Archives of Ireland: J.C. McDonagh (1939), Deeds, rentals, correspondence & accounts re the Crofton, Irwin, Dodwell & Gethin families & property in Cos Sligo & Roscommon, 1615-1828. Small Accs. Index 71, D.11482-11564

National Archives of Ireland: Encumbered Estates’ Court Rentals (O’Brien), Irwin, 26 January 1855, Vol 33, MRGS 39/015, (microfilm copy in NUIG)

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=116

NATIONAL LIBRARY OF IRELAND. Reports on Private Collections: Report on the Stewart papers....containing rentals of estates in Meath, Louth, Dublin, Leix, Westmeath, Cork and Leitrim. Report No.376

fifth son of Henry Stewart of Tyrcallen, county Donegal .... http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=1633     

Stewart (Drumahaire)
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=482

 John Vandeleur Stewart of Rock Hill, county Donegal,  http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=1841

granddaughter of Henry Irwin of Roxborough, county Roscommon. ...  http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=1248

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=313

William Phibbs and Henry Irwin  http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=83   ...never finished!!

Stewart of Fort Stewart,   http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=1378

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 09 April 20 18:58 BST (UK)


2nd Lady Norbury, Elizabeth Brabazon, was a daughter of John Phibbs of Lisconny...so your back to the Co Meath Brabazons...who connect to the Moores, posted earlier


http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=12.. Merediths married Stewarts and end up in Antrim if I can find it again!

Henry Hutchinson Stewart (1798-1879) , died Dublin, was a member of the family of Stewart of Fort Stewart, county Donegal, baronets and married Eliza Going.... http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1421 

Sir John Marcus Stewart, of Ballygawley, county Tyrone  married to Catherine Anne Wingfield, daughter of 5th Vist. Powerscourt offered for sale their property in the barony of Tireragh, county Sligo, in June 1855.

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 09 April 20 19:20 BST (UK)
Attached is Betham’s note of the marriage licence for Irwin Stewart* and Elizabeth MacDaniel.  This can be viewed on Findmypast (searchable), or for free on familysearch (not so easy to search).

*According to Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Irwin and his son Charles McDaniel always signed their name “Stewart” – it seems that later generations changed it to “Stuart”.

Here is an extract from the will of James “Fatty” Stewart, the uncle of Elizabeth McDaniel (also from Betham):

Captain James Stewart
5 Feb 1736 --- pr 21 Nov 1737
Nieces Margt Young alias McDaniel
Niece Susanna Sumpton als McDaniel
Niece Elizabeth Stewart alias McDaniel
Nice Sara MacDonniel
Sister Jane McDanniel
Godson Alexander Stewart of Ballylough
Nephew Charles Mac Daniel



Will of Alexander Stewart of Ballylough County Antrim [made in 1739 and proved in 1742] was granted 28/07/1781, under his marriage settlement of 1737, John Stewart of Jamaica, his wife's father, had conveyed to him one half of the Fort Stewart plantation....He left his real estate in Ireland, North Carolina and Jamaica to his son Alexander. He specified in a codicil that the house he intended his wife to live in for life was Acton in Co. Armagh.


Title: Rev. James Stewart
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 09 April 20 21:43 BST (UK)

Rev. James Stewart was leasing this property from the Boyle estate in same place Lady Anna came from.....
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=2979

and where Knox is buying land in Courtmacsherry  Cork from Irwin and Widow Boyle., Col Irwin's wife was Widow Boyle at time of transaction, and then she is in Sligo referred to as Lady Anna Irwin.



Coincidence of name or part of same Stewarts??


Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 09 April 20 23:12 BST (UK)


https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/11203010/stewarts-hospital-mill-lane-palmerstown-south-dublin-county

As in Henry Hutchinson Stewart (1798-1879) medical doctor, of 75 Eccles Street, Dublin  founder of Stewart's Hospital near Lucan, county Dublin and a member of the family of Stewart of Fort Stewart, county Donegal

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 09 April 20 23:13 BST (UK)

Died Eccles St...
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 09 April 20 23:32 BST (UK)
Birth, Marriage and Death results for Stewart

LINK  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pb2/

https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php  SELECT WHATEVER COUNTY YOU WANT FROM FIRST DROPDOWN BOX and check those in whatever District you want from list on left in results aplus use Filterfor Deaths etc and click 1800 folder to also get them by Decade

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line

you will get

 e.g  Death of SAMUEL STEWART in 1868
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Inishowen
Deceased Age at Death   85

but it has  Returns Page No    so Image not online yet!  So check Link every few months!

Right click on 5 or 6 names, open in New Tab  click Images to view Certs, free, Irish Govt BDM WEBSITE  just solve Security Captcha and use initials to sign in

Safe site to use!!

Or get together and one does Sligo, one does Antrim another Armagh etc etc... Good hunting!!



Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 12 April 20 13:22 BST (UK)
you seem to be the only one doing actual reearch on them.

Why in the last 40 years didn't someone even look to see who the one at Trinity was and from where??   LIMERICK.

I haven’t really researched these Stuarts yet, but I probably will eventually, hence my interest in the thread.  For now, I’m just trying to help out.  I have done some work on the Stewarts of Ballintoy, but they’re only connected by marriage.

I didn’t look up Trinity record because I wasn’t interested and/or hadn’t the time.  Perhaps the OP didn’t know about Alumni Dublinensis.  Also, I wasn’t born 40 years ago :P

In defence of Amy Young, she does discuss where Henry Stuart and the Irwins were from later in her book.  I just hadn't had the time to read that far when I posted the extract.


Hutchinson's Legacy had to be dealt with in London and terms changed ... What year was it and What was outcome?

See below:

Hutchinson died in 1740.  The Dobbs report was done in the 1790s.  Betham didn’t come to Ireland till about 1805.

Francis Dobbs was married to one of the Stewarts, so that probably helped him.  A lot of the research seems to have been done by interviewing people about their families.


Did you read George's Will ?  Anything interesting in it?

Haven't read it!

Not yet!  I’ve made a note so I will get to it when I’m next researching the Stewarts.  ;)
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: JonBoody on Friday 09 October 20 15:36 BST (UK)
Hello,

I’ve been reading through this thread and I was hoping perhaps someone in this group might be able to assist with a project I’m working on. I am looking for the parents of Martha Stewart, born probably in the early 1680s and the wife of Walter Lindsay of Cahoo, Co. Tyrone. I have a copy of a letter she wrote to her cousin, Rev. Richard Dobbs of Trinity College, in 1730 (via PRONI). Rev. Dobbs, by all accounts, was the son of a Mary Stewart of Ballintoy. With that I am making the leap that Martha’s father was a brother of Mary Stewart. Online genealogies suggest she had one brother named Archibald, who had two sons, Rev. Archibald and Alexander. In the letter Martha mentioned visiting with “Doc (Deacon?) Stewart and his bro Alick”, whom I am assuming are the two sons of Archibald. Given the wording of this, Martha was probably not their sister, but clearly she and Richard Dobbs were familiar with them and were likely closely related. This implies that Mary and Archibald Stewart had another brother who would be Martha’s father.

In all of the research on the Ballintoy Stewarts has anyone come across more detail on this particular branch? Any and all suggestions or hints would be welcome and greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Friday 09 October 20 18:34 BST (UK)
I can't answer your question exactly, but I'll send you a PM!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 18 October 20 15:54 BST (UK)
I found a ref to a tablet
https://archive.org/stream/ulsterjournalofa05ulst/ulsterjournalofa05ulst_djvu.txt
(4) I have seen a very interesting note in the handwriting of the late Charles G. Stuart, J. P., Ballyhivistock, wherein he traces his family to a Robert Stuart, a relative to James I., who obtained lands in the County Cavan at the Plantation. His grandson William raised at his own expense a regiment, still known as "Stuart's Regiment," which fought under William III., but the expenses of which the king never refunded. Rev. Irwin Stuart was his grandson, and the present Charles M'D. Stuart, is great grandson of the erstwhile curate of Derrykeighan. There is a tablet in the parish church " to the memory of Major-General James Stuart, C.B., after nearly fifty years of Indian service, during many of which he filled the arduous and responsible office of Military .Secretary to the Government. This veteran soldier returned to his native land, where, on the 19th July, i8s9, aged 75 years, he fell asleep, full of faith in the atoning blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I've just bought Thomas Camac's History of the Parish of Derrykeighan (1908, reprinted 1930), where he goes into a bit more detail than he did in the UJA article:

I have copied a very interesting document in the hand-writing of the late Chas. Geo. Stuart, Ballyhivistock, in which he traces his lineage thus – Robert Stuart got a grant of that part of Co. Cavan now in the possession of Lord Farnham, from his relative James I.  He was drowned in the passage between Calais and Dover, returning from the Court of the King of Sardinia, where he was sent as Ambassador.  His grandson William succeeded to the grant and lands, and took an active part in the Revolution, raised the 9th Foot, still called Stuart’s Regiment, and fought at the siege of Derry and the battles of Aughrim and the Boyne in support of King William.  From the very heavy cost of raising and paying this regiment, the charge of which William never refunded him, he was obliged to sell the estate, and his son William succeeded him, who had several sons and daughters, and Irwin Stuart (curate of Derrykeighan), his grandson, came with his sister, Mrs. McDaniel, to Ballylough and Bellisle, and had issue James Chas. McDaniel (rector of Dunluce), Archie and Christopher, and several daughters.  James’ issue – Henry Irwin, William, died as captain of Artillery, and James in India and daughters.  Charles McDaniel’s issue – Samuel, Charles, James, and Eliza.  Archibald, three sons and four daughters, all the sons died – Charles as a lieutenant in the Marines, and Alexander as a lieutenant in the 32nd Regiment at Corfu, and Archie in the West Indies.

This may be supplemented by saying that there is a tablet in Dervock Church which reads, “To the memory of Major-General James Stuart, C.B., after nearly 50 years of Indian service during many of which he filled the arduous and responsible office of military secretary to the Government.  This veteran soldier returned to his native land where, on the 19th July, 1859, aged 75 years, he fell asleep, full of faith in the atoning blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.”  Major General James Stuart, Staff Officer, Londonderry, is buried in Dervock churchyard, and was brother of Chas. Geo. Stuart.  It may here be mentioned that the last-named gentleman’s son, Leslie, has lately been appointed to the distinguished position of Rear-Admiral in the British Navy.

                                                                                             
Many of the details don't match, but there was a Colonel William Stewart, commander of the 9th Regiment:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Steuart_(British_Army_officer)
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 18 October 20 16:11 BST (UK)
Ohh good find!! I’ve seen some of that before but not with so many details. I was hoping to find the Burke’s Peerage of 1958 edition but it’s not available online. It apparently has more on this Stuart line.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 18 October 20 16:57 BST (UK)
It's probably Burke's "Landed Gentry of Ireland" 1958 you need (maybe that's what you meant?).  I was trying to find a copy the other day myself, but gave up.

Here's another extract from Camac's History of Derrykeighan:

[p67]  BALLYNAFEIGH AND MONTRAGEE were held by Thomas Bourke nearly two hundred years ago, but were shortly afterwards sold to John Henry, of Brevallin, by Lord Antrim.  Henry, who lived at Cloverhill, was High Sheriff for the County in 1763, and kept extensive bleaching concerns at the Livery.  His tombstone in Ballymoney churchyard is inscribed thus:

   Here lieth the Remains of
   John Henry Esq
   Who died 27 February 1773
Aged 73 years.  Also Margaret Henry
   His wife who died 11th of June 1802 aged 79 years
Also Alexander Henry Esq.
Son of the above who died 13th Jan 1810
Aged 55 years.

Archibald Stewart, of Mostragee (brother of Rev. C. McDaniel Stewart, Rector of Dunluce) married Henry’s daughter, and had issue Elizabeth, who married Rev. Robert Longhead, minister of Second Presbyterian congregation, Ballymoney.  Margaret married Daniel McKay, of Mosside, Fanny married Captain Hall, and Jane married Dr. Beatty, whose daughter married to ____ Hanna, agent to Lord Antrim.


According to Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Archibald Stewart married Jane, daughter of Alexander Henry.  The dates may make more sense if she was his sister.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 18 October 20 17:06 BST (UK)
Yes! Burke’s Landed Gentry is what I meant. I think they are available at some libraries but none close to me so that’s too bad. I should contact my library and ask if they can have it sent over from another. Not sure if that’s possible especially with the pandemic.

It seems you’ve really hit the jackpot. Thanks so much for sharing.

Do you know if the project going on in to restore the lost records will include Wills?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 18 October 20 17:16 BST (UK)
Do you mean the project to "restore" the archives destroyed in 1922?  It is an exciting project, and it probably will include some wills, but they can't recreate the many unique records which were destroyed, only those for which copies were stored elsewhere.

Just following up on Archibald Stewart/Stuart of Mostragee...

Belfast Newsletter, 17th Sep 1811:
On the 4th instant, Mr. WM. BEATTIE, Surgeon, Dervock, to the agreeable Miss JANE STUART, daughter of Archibald Stuart, Esq Portrush.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 18 October 20 20:16 BST (UK)
Looking at Jane Henry and Archibald Stuart. It makes a lot more sense for Jane to have been Alexander Henry’s sister and not his daughter. She was supposedly born in 1750 and he in 1755.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Monday 19 October 20 00:32 BST (UK)
I’m looking more at William Stewart of the 9th Regiment of Foot. From all the different websites I’ve read it seems like he took over the regiment from John Cunningham. If it’s the same man, he was married twice and had no children. He was the guardian of his brother James’s children. One of those was a William Stewart of Waterford. He only left that William a shilling for being ungrateful. I read elsewhere that a William Stewart had fought on the opposite side of his own brother. I wonder if it’s the same William Stewart and that’s why he was only left a shilling. It’s so hard to piece it all together especially with a name like William Stewart.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Tuesday 20 October 20 21:04 BST (UK)
That definitely sounds worth pursuing!  There’s bound to be some truth to the origin story, but the details may have got mangled.

William Stewart of the 9th Regiment was MP for County Waterford so there is an entry in the History of the Irish Parliament.  It starts:

STEWART (alias STEUART), Rt Hon. William
MP for Co. Waterford 1703-13-14
b. 1652; d. 4 June 1726, buried in Westminster Abbey

HONOURS: PC 1696, sworn ante Apr. 1711, also 6 Aug. 1714.

FAMILY/BACKGROUND: ?Son of William Stewart.

MARRIED: [8 Oct. 1701] Catherine (d. insane), Viscountess Grandison, dau. Of Sir John FitzGerald, wid. Of Brig. The Hon. Edward FitzGerald, heir apparent of 4th Viscount Grandison; (2) [Jan. 1726] Elizabeth, dau. Of Dir Rowland Alston, Bt, of Odell, Bedfordshire (she m. (2) Henry Rower of Surrey).

CHILDREN: d.s.p.

It goes on to give detail of his career and land holdings etc.  Apparently he had property in Counties Meath, Longford, Carlow, Donegal [possibly], and in London. 

One of the references is Notes and Queries (1925) H. B. Swanzy "Militia of County Cavan" ... that may be worth trying to find.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Tuesday 20 October 20 21:12 BST (UK)
I looked up Young’s Fighters of Derry which mentions the Col. William Stuart.  It quotes from Camac’s History of Derrykeighan and then goes on to say:

…According to family tradition (for which I am indebted to the late Mrs. William Stuart of Ballymena),
937. HENRY STUART, a nephew of the General [William], then in his teens, held a commission in his uncle’s regiment, being present at the siege of Derry, where, it is stated, he was allowed to take a trial shot with one of the big guns on the ramparts, and blew the head off a French engineer officer who was emplacing a gun on the other side of the river.  So impoverished was General Stuart by the raising and equipping of the regiment, for which he received no payment, that the estate had to be sold after the campaign, being incorporated with the Farnham property.  His grandson, the Rev. Irwin Stuart, for many years curate of Derry Keighan, was in 1773 appointed incumbent of Ardclinis.  From him descend the well-known family of Ballyhivistock.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Tuesday 20 October 20 21:44 BST (UK)
The will of William Stewart (or “Gulielmi Steuart”) is in the Canterbury wills available on Ancestry or the National Archives.  Here’s an abstract:

“I William Stewart if the parish of St. George Hannover Square”
Property in “the Counties of West Meath, Longford and Catherlough [Carlow] or else where in the Kingdom of Ireland or in the Kingdom of Great Britain”.
Wife Elizabeth.
Sister Elizabeth Dobson widow.
Niece Elizabeth now wife of “Benjamin Gregory Clerke”.
Niece Mrs Jane Nugent.
Niece Eleanor Wilder [?] widow.
Niece Mary now wife of ____ Ryley.
Niece Rose now wife of ____.
Brother John Stewart Esq.
Nephew Colonel John Stewart … property near Laughlin Bridge in Co Carlow.
Nephew Charles Stewart Esq who already has a considerable fortune of his own.
Nathaniel Cuneton [??] Gentleman.
Faithful servant James Tedderirk [??] … “I have lately become Godfather to his daughter”.
Old servant John Besserk [??].
Mary Wade.
“Whereas I have bestowed repeated favours & kindnesses upon my nephew Brigadeer General William Stewart who has nevertheless behaved himself in the most undutiful and ungrateful manner towards me I do therefore give and bequeath to the said Brigadeer one shilling only”.
School for 20 boys in the parish of Saint George Hanover Square.
“In consideration of the dutiful behaviour and great services of my nephew James Stewart for several yeares past in the managmt of my affairs I have determined to make him a Coexecutor of this my will with my dear wife and also an equal devisee and legatee with her in this my will of the residuum of my estate”.
Dated 31st May 1726.
Witnesses: Christo Arnold, Peter Webb, Dan Reading.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Tuesday 20 October 20 22:47 BST (UK)
I wonder if this is useful:
Theaker Wilder (c.1717 c.1778) was the first Regius Professor of Greek and Senior Register at Trinity College, Dublin and became famous for being Oliver Goldsmith's tutor. Born c.1717, Theaker Wilder was the youngest son of Mathew Wilder (d.1719), of Castle Wilder, High Sheriff of Co. Longford, by his wife Ellinor (d.1729), daughter of Captain James Steuart (d.1689), who was killed at the Siege of Londonderry, the elder brother of General William Steuart. Wilder was a nephew of James Steuart (1678-1757), Admiral of the Fleet and Brigadier-General The Hon. William Steuart (d.1737) M.P., of Ballylane, Co. Waterford, who married Hon. Mary Villiers, the aunt of William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham. Wilder was tutored at home by Dr. Elwood before entering Trinity College, Dublin as a pensioner (ordinary student) on July 8, 1734. He was awarded a scholarship in 1736, a B.A. degree in 1738, became a Fellow in 1744 and was awarded an M.A. degree in 1748. He received a D.Div. degree in 1753. He was appointed Donegal Lecturer in 1759 and the first Regius Professor of Greek in 1761. He was succeeded in this post by John Stokes in 1764. In about 1746 he married 'Mrs Letitia Wilder' (about 1724 - ), who was probably a Grove of Castle Grove (built in 1695), Ramelton, Co. Donegal. They were the parents of five children: Matthew Wilder (d.1792), inherited Castle Wilder, and in 1772 married Eleanor, daughter of Hugh Carmichael B.L., of Dublin, sister of Lieut.-Gen. Hugh Lyle Carmichael, Governor of Demerara. James Wilder (1764-1788) married Sarah, the daughter of his first cousin The Rev. James Drought (1738-1820), Senior Fellow of Trinity College, Dublin, whose mother was Theaker's sister. Henry, Oliver...More: http: //booksllc.net/?id=1480063
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Thursday 22 October 20 21:20 BST (UK)
Yes, that certainly helps!

Betham will abstract:
Ellinor Wilder of Castlewilder, Co Longford, widow
6 Jan 1736 --- 27 Nov 1729
Uncle Honble General William Stewart Esq
Daus Catherine and Sarah
Son Stuart Wilder clerk
Sons Charles, John and Theaker
Brother Charles Stuart Esq
Son William
Brother Honble Brigadier William Stewart
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Thursday 22 October 20 21:21 BST (UK)
From Crossle abstract of Elizabeth Dobson’s prerogative will (FindMyPast):

Elizabeth Dobson of Mullingare, widow of Thomas Dobson of same, clerk.
Grandson Stewart Dingley.
Son-in-law Laurence Tallon, of Mullingar, merchant, money “which was part of the substance of my first husband, Mr. James Dingley”.
Daughter Ann Tallon alias Dingley.
Daughter Elizabeth Dingley (executor and residual legatee).
Two daughters of my son William Dingley, deceased, namely Anne Dingley and Sarah Dingley.
“Whereas by the last will of my brother the Hon. General Wm Stewart, I was left £1000 with power to dispose of same”.
Granddaughters Ann Dingley, Sarah Dingley and Elizabeth Tallon “being Protestants and not otherwise”.

Dated 12th March 1732/3, witnessed by:
Edward Thompson, vicar
Hellen Thompson
Martha Nugent
Eliza Meehan

Granted 4th May 1733 to Elizabeth Dingley.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Thursday 22 October 20 21:57 BST (UK)
The two William Steuarts make it kind of tricky to follow, especially since they were both Brigadier-Generals.

From what I can tell, the older Brigadier-General was the son of Colonel William Stewart, son of William Stewart of Mains. BG Stewart had brothers John and James. James had several children and then died; BG Stewart became the guardian.

But then where does Irwin Stewart come in? His father was possibly Henry Stewart but who was Henry’s father? One of BG Stewarts brothers? But then wouldn’t Henry Stewart be mentioned in his Will?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Thursday 22 October 20 22:37 BST (UK)
Yes, one Brigadier General William Steuart died in c1726 and the other in c1736 (his will is in the Canterbury wills too).

I’ve seen it mentioned that the elder Brigadier General was the son of a Colonel William Stewart, but I’d not found any sources about him yet (e.g. a will).  Have you? 

I went back to Amy Isabel Young’s Three Hundred Years in Innishowen and got the impression she had been over all this ground already, and she ruled out no less than three Brigadier General Stewarts.  Amy’s parents were William and Barbara Stuart of Ballymena – the latter was almost certainly the “Mrs. William Stuart” named as source of the family tradition recorded in Young’s Fighter’s of Derry.  (Bearing in mind William Young lived in Ballymena too.)

By the way, this is a Stuart family album which is quite interesting:
https://lennonwylie.co.uk/LostAlbums_Stuart_Stewart.htm

You can see Amy could hardly have failed to develop an interest in genealogy!
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Thursday 22 October 20 22:41 BST (UK)
The 1691 will of John Stewart of Dunduff (Co. Donegal) mentions: William Stewart, my cousin germane eldest son of Capt. James Stewart, assigns all his arrears in pay from the Regiment of Colonel William Stewart.

http://donegalgenealogy.com/stewartdunduffr.htm

Presumably Capt. James Stewart is the one who apparently died at the Siege of Derry?  I can’t find any reference to him in Fighters of Derry.  Is it possible James = Henry?  (The two names have got mixed up in the family history before.)

I think this John Stewart’s parents were Major John Stewart of Dunduff and Jean Stewart, daughter of Archibald Stewart of Ballintoy.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Saturday 24 October 20 17:38 BST (UK)
I’ve seen that photo album before. It’s really interesting and so great that the family has it.

I wonder if Scottish naming patterns play a role here. I know that Irwin Stewart had brothers Bernard and Christopher and possibly a Henry. Irwin was named after his mother, Jane Irwin. Christopher would be from Jane Irwin’s father. I wonder where Bernard fits in.

Then if the naming pattern is what’s going on, William Stewart would have shared a name with his father and his grandfather, Colonel William Stewart and William Stewart of Mains. Then the brother Captain James Stewart would have named his oldest son, the ungrateful William Stewart, after his father and his second oldest son would be James, after himself. That’s if I have the naming pattern correct.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 01 November 20 09:44 GMT (UK)
To me it looks like the family followed the broader tradition of naming children after recent ancestors.  I don’t think they are strictly following the Scottish naming pattern (first son after father’s father; second son after mother’s father, etc etc).  Therefore, I wouldn’t want to read too much into the names they’ve chosen here.

Amy Young says, “it is significant that their eldest son was called Bernard, the second Irwin, and another Christopher – a very usual Irwin name in those days”.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 01 November 20 10:42 GMT (UK)
I was re-reading the will of John Stewart of Ballintoy (d. 1791) which mentions his brother-in-law Rev. Charles McDaniel Stewart.  John’s first wife was Jane Moore of Ballydivity (hence the Stewart-Moore descendants), and his second wife Frances must have been the daughter of Irwin Stewart and Elizabeth McDaniel.

So Irwin and Elizabeth’s children were:
-   James Stuart (c1743-1824) m. Grace Lynd
-   Rev. Charles McDaniel Stewart (c1745-1826) m. Sarah Dunlop
-   Archibald Stewart (c1750-?) m. Jane Henry
-   Frances Stewart (alive in 1791) m. John Stewart
-   Christopher (?-?)
-   Henry (?-?)
-   3 other daughters
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: John Falvey on Friday 20 November 20 12:33 GMT (UK)
I may have missed this but has anyone looked at the Stewart Will Abstracts at the NAI? See https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNR-W9GL-M?i=494&cat=225052
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Friday 20 November 20 14:27 GMT (UK)
I may have missed this but has anyone looked at the Stewart Will Abstracts at the NAI? See https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNR-W9GL-M?i=494&cat=225052

Excellent find! Thank you. I have no luck with searching for these records. I don’t know why I’m so limited. I wonder why he didn’t leave anything to his son James. Was it because he was over in India? Very interesting. I wonder if there’s an abstract for Henry Irwin Stuart. He must have left the house to his brother James or let him live there when he retired from the HEIC.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Friday 20 November 20 14:31 GMT (UK)
So Irwin and Elizabeth’s children were:
-   James Stuart (c1743-1824) m. Grace Lynd
-   Rev. Charles McDaniel Stewart (c1745-1826) m. Sarah Dunlop
-   Archibald Stewart (c1750-?) m. Jane Henry
-   Frances Stewart (alive in 1791) m. John Stewart
-   Christopher (?-?)
-   Henry (?-?)
-   3 other daughters

And Bernard Stewart was Irwin’s brother? I’m getting so confused  :)

So where are these Stewarts from? They aren’t Stewarts of Ballintoy. Are they the Stewarts of Ballyhivistock?

I was reading about Bernella or Bernarda Stewart who married her relation James Stewart, son of John Stewart of Straidh. She’s buried in the Church of Ballintoy and died in 1663. I wonder if she’s who the Stewart children were named after. Probably too much of a stretch but I’m not seeing the name anywhere else.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Friday 20 November 20 16:24 GMT (UK)
I just spent some time going over the older posts and I think I might be able to make some connections now. Please point out any and all inaccuracies  :)

In regards to the Duffin/Lynd connection:
- Maria Duffin (b 1785) was married to Colin Johnstone and then to my Major General James Stuart. Her father was Charles Duffin.
- Charles Duffin died about 1814 in Dublin. I believe he was a linen merchant. He had a brother named William Duffin who was an acquaintance of the famous Ann Lister. He was also something like a head surgeon for the HEIC and then lived in York.

- Grace Lynd nee Bell died in about 1783. She was the wife of Rev Charles Lynd. The abstract of her Will mentions her daughter Jane Duffin and som William Lynd. William was the father of Grace Lynd (my 4th great-grandmother) who married James Stuart and would have been the mother-in-law of Maria Duffin.

I don’t know how it all fits in. I think Jane Lynd might be too old to be Maria Duffin’s mother but could she her her grandmother?


Now back to the Stuarts. I was reading about the Siege of Londonderry and it talks about the Brigadier General Stuarts:
- Brigadier Stuart, colonel of the 5th now 9th regiment of foot was descended from the Stuarts of Blackhall in Scotland. One of his ancestors was a member of the Church of Rome and settled in Ballylusk, Antrim.
- this Brigadier Stuart was implicated during the Troubles of 1641, forfeited his lands in Ireland and fled back to Scotland.
- he eventually joined the Spanish service and fought beside James, Duke of York, at Dunkirk and died there in 1688
- a younger brother of the Brigadier decided to join the opposite side and became a Brigadier General in King William’s army. He had a very successful career but was not repaid by William. He supposedly married a daughter of the Earl of Drogheda and had one son who was a captain in his father’s regiment. This Brig-Gen Stuart purchased land in Leitrim and settled there but also had lands in Cavan and Cork until sold by a Bernard Stewart in 1798 when he (Bernard) went abroad.

I believe this son of the Brigadier General was Henry Stewart who married Jane Irwin and the father of Irwin Stewart. I don’t know if there’s any connection to the Brigadier General Steuarts that have been mentioned previously.

What do you think?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 23 November 20 15:00 GMT (UK)
Thanks John.  I didn’t know about these abstracts.  It appears they were made by Barbara Frances Stuart née Harvey.  She was evidently researching the origins of her husband’s family, but according to her daughter Amy Isabel Young, she never quite got to the bottom of it.

I’ve gone through the abstracts and made some notes…

-   James Stuart of Gracehill (will dated 1823).  Son of Irwin Stewart and Elizabeth McDaniel.  Married Grace Lynd.  I didn’t know he had a daughter who married ____ Ledlie … do we know who she was?

-   Francis Stewart who married Catherine Ormsby in c1750.  I’ve no idea what family he came from.

-   John Stewart of Dunduffe (will dated 1691/2).  I’m not sure exactly where he fits into the Donegal Dunduff family.  But his mother was Jean Stewart, daughter of Archibald Stewart of Ballintoy, agent to the Earl of Antrim.  See http://donegalgenealogy.com/stewartdunduffr.htm

-   Widow Catherine Stewart (will dated 1716).  Probably related to the Orrs from near Newtownards who had connections to Stewarts and Reids.

-   Irwin Stuart of Sunnagh, Co Leitrim (will dated 1821).  My guess is Barbara looked up this will because of his name, but he probably is not a close relation to the Stuarts of Derrykeighan / Gracehill.

-   William Stewart of Wilmont, Drumbeg (will proved 1808).  I’ve no idea where he fits in…?

-   Robert Steuart of Aughnacloy (1728).  Again, I’m not sure about his relevance.

-   Charles Stewart of Ballintoy (will dated 1703).  I’ve seen abstracts of his will before, but this adds some more detail.  I think he died in 1710 in London (O’Neill’s “old comrade”), though the registered pedigree says 1711 in Spain.  He was a major or colonel in the army.  Married Sarah Poyntz, daughter and co-heir of Toby Poyntz of Acton, Co Armagh.

-   Charles Stewart of Baileborough.  Date not given, but this is the Charles Stewart who died in 1793.  He was son of William Stewart (c1710-c1778), who was son of Charles Stewart (c1677-1740) of Bailieborough, Co Cavan.  Some say this last-mentioned Charles was nephew of General William Steuart (1652-1726).  The History of the Irish Parliament just says he was son of James Stewart of Lurgan, Co Armagh.

-   Robert Stewart late of Ballywilliam, now of Liverpool (1768).  His son’s names (Alexander and Archibald) are common Ballintoy Stewart names.  The reference to James Moore of Ballydivity suggests Robert may have been related to John Stewart of Ballintoy who married Jane Moore. 

-   James Moore of Bellisle (1784/1788).  This is the son of James Moore of Ballydivity (c1705-1783) and his wife Margaret Gilliland, daughter of William Gilliland of Tildarg (c1669-1746) and his wife Esther Logan (c1673-1727).  James Moore junior had no legitimate children, so the Moore property passed to his sister Jane’s family.  Jane Moore (c1752-1783) was married to John Stewart of Ballintoy (1733-1791), and their descendants became the Stewart-Moores.

-   Alexander Stewart of Ballylough (will dated 1739).  Died about 1742.  He was son of Charles Stewart and Sarah Poyntz (see above).  His daughter Anne Stewart (d. 1765) went on to marry Conway Richard Dobbs, while Rose Stewart married Edward Brice (c1725-1808).  His son Alexander moved to Acton, Co Armagh, to live on property inherited from the Poyntz family.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 23 November 20 15:07 GMT (UK)
I may have missed this but has anyone looked at the Stewart Will Abstracts at the NAI? See https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNR-W9GL-M?i=494&cat=225052

Excellent find! Thank you. I have no luck with searching for these records. I don’t know why I’m so limited. I wonder why he didn’t leave anything to his son James. Was it because he was over in India? Very interesting. I wonder if there’s an abstract for Henry Irwin Stuart. He must have left the house to his brother James or let him live there when he retired from the HEIC.

I guess you’re right – James may not have been mentioned because he’d disappeared off to India.  And/or he may already have been provided for.

Some details of Henry Irwin Stuart’s will can be found here:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C399-51L7?i=219&cat=234514

It says that not all the property was disposed of.  Does that means he didn’t say who it should be left to?  Since he had no sons the default was probably to his brother James.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 23 November 20 15:25 GMT (UK)
So Irwin and Elizabeth’s children were:
-   James Stuart (c1743-1824) m. Grace Lynd
-   Rev. Charles McDaniel Stewart (c1745-1826) m. Sarah Dunlop
-   Archibald Stewart (c1750-?) m. Jane Henry
-   Frances Stewart (alive in 1791) m. John Stewart
-   Christopher (?-?)
-   Henry (?-?)
-   3 other daughters

So where are these Stewarts from? They aren’t Stewarts of Ballintoy. Are they the Stewarts of Ballyhivistock?

Stewarts of Derrykeighan may be more accurate! 

Rev. Irwin Stewart/Stuart of Derrykeighan (c1707-c1772) was probably originally from further south (e.g. Limerick).  He married Elizabeth McDaniel while his sister Sarah married Charles McDaniel.  The McDaniels were supposedly relatives of the McDonnells, Earls of Antrim.  Their mother was a sister of Captain James Stewart (d. 1736/7).

Rev. Irwin Stewart’s son James founded the Gracehill line, while Rev. Charles McDaniel Stewart founded the Ballyhivistock line.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 23 November 20 16:20 GMT (UK)
I just spent some time going over the older posts and I think I might be able to make some connections now. Please point out any and all inaccuracies  :)

In regards to the Duffin/Lynd connection:
- Maria Duffin (b 1785) was married to Colin Johnstone and then to my Major General James Stuart. Her father was Charles Duffin.
- Charles Duffin died about 1814 in Dublin. I believe he was a linen merchant. He had a brother named William Duffin who was an acquaintance of the famous Ann Lister. He was also something like a head surgeon for the HEIC and then lived in York.

- Grace Lynd nee Bell died in about 1783. She was the wife of Rev Charles Lynd. The abstract of her Will mentions her daughter Jane Duffin and som William Lynd. William was the father of Grace Lynd (my 4th great-grandmother) who married James Stuart and would have been the mother-in-law of Maria Duffin.

I don’t know how it all fits in. I think Jane Lynd might be too old to be Maria Duffin’s mother but could she her her grandmother?

I haven’t really looked into the Duffin side of things, but I checked Grace Lynd née Bell’s will again.  It reads like Jane Duffin was Grace’s daughter, but she seems to mentions a daughter Grace Todd as well as a daughter Grace Lynd.  So I wonder if Jane Duffin may have been a granddaughter, daughter of Charles Lynd. 

Either way, I don’t think there is necessarily a connection been these Duffins and your Martha Duffin.  Though I agree it is very likely Major General James Stuart was marrying his cousin.  We need more evidence!

Edited to add...

Mullin's Coleraine in Bygone Centuries p153:
The Rev Charles Lynd, minister of New Row, who died 1751, is described as of Hatton Lodge, Co. Londonderry, in his widow's will.

There’s a marriage licence for William Lynd to Margaret Templeton in 1744.  These are the parents of Grace Lynd who married James Stuart.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 23 November 20 16:36 GMT (UK)
Now back to the Stuarts. I was reading about the Siege of Londonderry and it talks about the Brigadier General Stuarts:
- Brigadier Stuart, colonel of the 5th now 9th regiment of foot was descended from the Stuarts of Blackhall in Scotland. One of his ancestors was a member of the Church of Rome and settled in Ballylusk, Antrim.
- this Brigadier Stuart was implicated during the Troubles of 1641, forfeited his lands in Ireland and fled back to Scotland.
- he eventually joined the Spanish service and fought beside James, Duke of York, at Dunkirk and died there in 1688
- a younger brother of the Brigadier decided to join the opposite side and became a Brigadier General in King William’s army. He had a very successful career but was not repaid by William. He supposedly married a daughter of the Earl of Drogheda and had one son who was a captain in his father’s regiment. This Brig-Gen Stuart purchased land in Leitrim and settled there but also had lands in Cavan and Cork until sold by a Bernard Stewart in 1798 when he (Bernard) went abroad.

I believe this son of the Brigadier General was Henry Stewart who married Jane Irwin and the father of Irwin Stewart. I don’t know if there’s any connection to the Brigadier General Steuarts that have been mentioned previously.

What do you think?

That sounds good.  Where did you get that information?  It could fit for your Henry quite nicely.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Monday 23 November 20 16:49 GMT (UK)
And Bernard Stewart was Irwin’s brother? I’m getting so confused  :)

I was reading about Bernella or Bernarda Stewart who married her relation James Stewart, son of John Stewart of Straidh. She’s buried in the Church of Ballintoy and died in 1663. I wonder if she’s who the Stewart children were named after. Probably too much of a stretch but I’m not seeing the name anywhere else.

I don’t think there is any evidence of a connection between your Stewart/Stuarts and the Stewarts of Ballintoy around the time that Bernard Stewart would have been born (c1705).  So I would guess the name comes from the Irwin side or some other connection.

Bernella (or Bernarda) Stewart is the only child of Archibald Stewart (agent to the Earl of Antrim) listed in the Dobbs Report.  The other children are not mentioned because they were not “needy” enough to qualify for the inheritance.

Claimants descended from ARCHIBALD STEWART, the uncle of Christian, the mother of Testator.

His daughter Bernella married a James Stewart, they had a daughter who married a McBride, their children Archibald, Elizabeth, Mary and Sarah are related in [4th degree].

Francis, a brother of last Claimants, left two children Hugh and Ann, who are in [5th degree].

Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Wednesday 25 November 20 00:39 GMT (UK)
James Stuart and Grace Lynd had a daughter, Sophia (1790-1816) who married Thomas Ledlie, Esq. (1760-1839) on 14 Sep 1812. They had two daughters, Grace Frances (1814-1891) and Sophia (1816-1835). Grace married Basil George Brooke (1813-1869) on 26 Nov 1839 and they had several children.

Charles Stewart of Baileborough would have been the grandson of Charles Stewart, nephew of Brigadier General William Steuart. BG Steuart’s brother was Admiral James Steuart and he was the father of the children mentioned in BG Steuart’s will. Charles’s brother, the other Brigadier General William Stewart (the one who was only left a shilling) married Mary Villiers, stepdaughter of the uncle. I have tried to trace that William Stewart to see if he might be Irwin Stewart’s grandfather but I don’t think the dates line up properly.

The Dublin Alumni record I found (that’s not the correct name but I can’t think of it right now) says that Irwin was born in Dunamon, Limerick and his father was Henry, generosus.

The McDaniels were originally McDonnells, related somehow to the Earl of Antrim. I read somewhere that Captain James Stewart had left Bellisle and another place to Charles McDonnell but only if he changed his name to McDaniel so as not to be associated with the Earl of Antrim who was a troublemaker and got another McDonnell boy in trouble. Talk about not liking your in-laws.

The information I got on the two Brigadier Stewarts was from Google Books and it was The Siege of Londonderry. I can’t remember the exact title but it really seems to fit the common narrative.

I sent off an email to the Presbyterian historical society asking if they had more information on Irwin Stewart. Turns out I don’t know my religious titles very well since he was Church of Ireland.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Saturday 28 November 20 15:36 GMT (UK)
Charles Stewart of Baileborough would have been the grandson of Charles Stewart, nephew of Brigadier General William Steuart. BG Steuart’s brother was Admiral James Steuart and he was the father of the children mentioned in BG Steuart’s will. Charles’s brother, the other Brigadier General William Stewart (the one who was only left a shilling) married Mary Villiers, stepdaughter of the uncle. I have tried to trace that William Stewart to see if he might be Irwin Stewart’s grandfather but I don’t think the dates line up properly.

Have you been able to find any sources about this James Stewart, brother of the elder General William Stuart?

According to the History of the Irish Parliament, he was James Stewart of Lurgan.  Elsewhere I’ve seen Captain James Stewart, killed at the Siege of Derry.  You say Admiral James Stewart…?

I’m confused!   :-\
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Saturday 28 November 20 17:22 GMT (UK)
It seems I’m confused too!

The brother of William Steuart was Captain James Stewart. James’s son was James Stewart, Admiral of the Fleet and executor of his uncle’s will.

I’m looking on FindMyPast right now to see if I can find any sources on James.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 29 November 20 14:08 GMT (UK)
I looked up the will of Admiral James Steuart (Prerogative Court of Canterbury):

"Admiral James Steuart of the parish of Saint George Hanover Square"
Friend Admiral Robert Long of Hollis Street (executor)
Friend Henry Rouse/Howe in parish of St George Bloomsbury [?] (executor)
Friend Captain Robert Greenway of Hatton Garden (executor)
My wife Mary Steuart daughter of Mr John Taylor of Portsmouth and mother of my...
Son James Steuart (minor)
"my large single stone diamond ring which was my uncle the late Genl William Steuart's"
Wife to have power to dispose chattels to any other children they may have.
Nephew William, only son of my brother Colonel John Steuart of Stafford Street, Dublin (both living).
Other nephews and nieces, lawful issue of my brothers or sisters.
"My friend of long acquaintance" Mary Greenway, spinster, sister of Captain Robert Greenway
My late housekeeper Margaret Lock who is now my agent in the parish of St Giles.
Catherine Richards spinster, who waits on my wife.
Son James who is now at Marybone Boarding School for young gentlemen to be educated as a barrister at law.
[He was very anxious that his son not be given so much money that he drink too much and neglect his studies.]
Dated 1st Dec 1752
Witnesses: James Burnett, George Tyler, Thos Sturgis.

Codicil
If son James dies, and no other issue, then wife to have power to dispose of £1000 as she thinks fit.
Provisions for other children should he or Mary have any.
In default of such issue to nephew William Steuart, son of Colonel John.
Gives his 3 pews to the former house of his uncle Gen. Wm Steuart (corner house opposite Duke of Roxburgh's)
Servant Samuel Lee senr.
[Describes wife as "most sincere prudent and virtuous good women" and himself a "tender and most affectionate husband", and declares that he and his wife were indeed married by a clergyman of the Church of England.]
Dated 7th Sep 1753.
Witnesses: James Burnett, George Tyler, Thos Sturgis.

Proved 2nd Apr 1757 by the oaths of Robert Long, Henry Rowe/Rouse [?] and Robert Greenway.

It’s a very long will with plenty of legal guff and repetition, but there’s a lot of interesting detail which gives a good picture of their lives and feelings.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 29 November 20 14:15 GMT (UK)
I followed one of the Wikipedia references which led to this:

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=sjBSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA448&dq=relict+of+Admiral+%22James+Steuart%22&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=relict%20of%20Admiral%20%22James%20Steuart%22&f=false

This mentions Admiral James and his brothers Charles, Colonel John and Brigadier General William, which fits what I’ve seen elsewhere. 

However, it names their father as Colonel John Steuart.  It’s possible the author was getting confused with one of the brothers, or perhaps there’s some truth to it…?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 29 November 20 14:36 GMT (UK)
I believe their father was James and not John. Uncle William’s will mentions his brother John so he was still alive in 1725.

Good find on the Will. I never ended up having a chance to look for anything yesterday. I’m starting to think that this line of Steuarts is different from Irwin Stewart. I have seen on some of Betham’s records mention of Col. William Stewart’s regiment of foot. I believe the Col William Stewart might be Irwin’s grandfather and is not the same as the Brigadier General William Steuarts.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 29 November 20 14:51 GMT (UK)
Yes, I agree these Steuarts probably aren’t your Stewarts/Stuarts.  What have you found on this Col William Stewart you mention?

In the meantime, here’s another of the Steuart brothers’ wills…

Crossle Will Abstract (FindMyPast):
Colonel John Steuart of the City of Dublin
To be buried in the vault under the communion table in St Mary's Church.
Marriage settlement dated 19th and 20th Apr 1722 ratified except what applies to my daughter.
Settlement of Co Carlow estate on son William prior to his marriage to Ann, daughter of Sir Richard Butler, Bt.
Wife to live in dwelling house in Stafford Street.
Already paid £4000 marriage portion with daughter Mary, so William's Meath estate to be free from incumbrances.
Son-in-law Walter Weldon Esq, married to daughter Mary.
Brother Admiral James Steuart.
Admiral Dockling and his family.
Sister Gregory and her family.
Wife, brother James, and son William to be executors.
Dated 23rd Feb 1757.
Witnesses Edward King, David Steuart amd Dens/Danl Kane.
Probate grated 1 Feb 1763 to son Wm Steuart.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 29 November 20 15:05 GMT (UK)
…and a sister's husband

Crossle Abtract (FindMyPast):
Benjamin Gregory of Manooth, Co Kildare, Clke.
£200 owed by Wm Usher, Esq.
Daughter Ann Gregory (minor).
Son William.
Wife Elizabeth Gregory (executor).
Brothers-in-law Colonel John Stewart and Charles Stewart (executors).
Dated 23 Aug 1738.
Witnesses Thos Erwin, John Carmack N.P., John Kathrens [?] N.P.
Granted 4th Sep 1742 to Elizabeth Gregory his widow.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 29 November 20 15:06 GMT (UK)
The mention of Col William Stewart is from Betham’s Genealogical Abstract 7 Aug 1700: Ad. James Stewart Gent (officer in the Right of Foot of the Hon Will Stewart) who died at Athlom to William Stewart of Ballylough in Co Antrim his brother.

I’m sure I’ve seen another on Betham’s Genealogical Abstracts but I didn’t save them. I might have written them down in a book.

Then there’s a website that mentions a Col William Stewart and his regiment. It seems to use real sources so that’s good. William III was unhappy with Colonel Cunningham and replaced him with William Stewart:  https://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=9th_Foot
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 29 November 20 15:11 GMT (UK)
Is the Colonel William Stewart mentioned in that website not the same man who later became Lt-Gen. William Steuart and died in 1726?
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 29 November 20 15:25 GMT (UK)
It very well could be. The spelling is different but that may not matter. I wonder if the Imperial War Museum would know more and just how many William Stewarts there were running around.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 29 November 20 15:28 GMT (UK)
I’d love to get a hold of Betham’s 1958 edition. It supposedly mentions the Gracehill line but I can’t get a copy of it.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Sunday 29 November 20 19:54 GMT (UK)
There’s a book available to read on Google called Ontarian Families - Genealogies of United Empire Loyalists.... by Edward Chadwick. It mentions the family and has generally the same story but with some details off. It says that William Stuart’s son was either James or Alexander and was severely wounded at Aughrim. William supposedly married Mary Moore, Viscount Moore’s daughter.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Sunday 06 December 20 15:52 GMT (UK)
I took a jaunt through the Moore family to see if I could find any Stewarts.  The title “Viscount Moore” is held by the Earls of Drogheda.  It is only used by the eldest son during his father’s lifetime.  The 1st Earl of Drogheda would have been Viscount Moore from the death of his father in 1643 up until his elevation in 1661.

The 3rd Earl of Drogheda’s eldest son Charles Moore married, had children, and died within his father’s lifetime.  Charles Moore was born in about 1676 and died in about 1714, and I think he would have had the title Viscount Moore throughout his life.  See p107 in the History of the Moore Family:

https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/595913-redirection

Burke’s Peerage lists Charles’s two sons: Henry (4th Earl) and Edward (5th Earl).  The History of Irish Parliament adds another son called Charles who died in infancy.  No sign of any daughters.

If there is a link to William Steuart, it may be somewhere else in the Moore family.  The only Stewart I could find was Alexander Stewart (uncle of Lord Castlereagh, I think) who married Mary Moore, daughter of Charles Moore, 6th Earl (and 1st Marquess) of Drogheda.  But that was in 1791.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Monday 07 December 20 12:02 GMT (UK)
It’s hard to know. It’s been so many years and I’m sure the stories and names would have changed even being told back then. It might be something that is never really sorted out.

Going way back to near the beginning of this thread. I found the newspaper article that mentions Henry Benson Stuart as being the eldest son of Major General James Stuart. It was in 1869 for his marriage announcement to Anna Mary Bourke. Is it just poor wording or is it possible there were other sons after? The Major-General would have been quite an old man. He was already an older man when his known three children were born.
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Gilby on Tuesday 08 December 20 18:29 GMT (UK)
Sorry, I’m not sure I get it – if he was the eldest does that not imply that he did have younger siblings?   :-[
Title: Re: James Stuart CB of Gracehill
Post by: Benody1921 on Tuesday 08 December 20 18:31 GMT (UK)
That’s what I thought it implied but there doesn’t seem to be any record of other children. I know there were two older siblings but one died in 1834 and the other in 1857.