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Title: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Friday 31 May 19 00:04 BST (UK)
I have been able to trace my family to John Roe who I believe was born 1717 in Halstock, Dorset and died 1770 in Wareham, Dorset. He married Mary Bishop in 1740.

I'm having trouble finding his Father, Grandfather and Greatfather.

I think they are:
Father: William 1692 Poole - 1740 Halstock
Grandfather: Nicholas 1670 Halstock - 1732 Poole
Great Grandfather: Azariah 1649 - 1683 Halstock

Things don't really add up tho. Why would they bounce between Halstock and Poole between being born, having kids and dying? I'm not sure I have the right people

I've looked on OPCDorset but the records don't go back far enough!

Any help on John's predecessors would be amazing!

Many thanks  ;D
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 31 May 19 10:09 BST (UK)
Working backwards from your other post
Samuel Roe bn c1777 parents John & Ann

Possible parents - John Roe (widower) married Ann Hill (widow) 27 Feb 1775 at Wareham

Where do you have this John being born and when.  Who was his first wife

Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: emeltom on Friday 31 May 19 10:38 BST (UK)
I can find the baptism of Wiiliam, 14 July 1692 in Poole, parents Nicholous and Howner (presumably Nicholas and Honor). The only burials I can find for a William Roe in 1740 are in Cranborne and Whitchurch Canonicorum.

Emeltom
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 31 May 19 10:44 BST (UK)
That was what I was seeing too Emeltom and why I was trying to work back to it from Samuel as I could not see the appropriate death for John :)

Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Friday 31 May 19 10:59 BST (UK)
I have John Roe (Samuel's Father): Born 1750, Wareham. Died 1783, Wareham. I can't seem to find his first wife

I believe his father is also called John which might be confusing things? But I might be wrong
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Friday 31 May 19 11:10 BST (UK)
This is what I found for John's birth info on Ancestry:

Name John Ronis
Birth Date: 22 Dec 1750
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Ronis
Mother: Mary Ronis
Baptism Date: 18 Jan 1751
Baptism Place: Wareham, Dorset, England
Denomination Independent Piece Title Piece 0060: Wareham, Meeting House Lane (Independent), 1740-1789

I assumed it was transcribed incorrectly and is supposed to say Roe or Rowe instead of Ronis. Unless my family changed their name from Ronis at this time?
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 31 May 19 11:33 BST (UK)
I think this may be his first marriage

John Roe - A Minor occ Cordwainer
Anne Hascal
03 Sep 1755
Groom was of parish of St Mary Holy Trinity

Burial at Wareham St Mary
10 Mar 1774
Ann Wife of John

That burial would fit in with a remarriage the following year.
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Friday 31 May 19 11:48 BST (UK)
Is 1755 the marriage year? As I have this John born in 1750

Could this Ann be his mother? I have his father as also being a John which might be confusing things?
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 31 May 19 11:51 BST (UK)
Yes, 1755 was the marriage year.  Does his death give an age giving you 1750 as a birth year.
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Friday 31 May 19 11:54 BST (UK)
The death record I found doesn't have an age unfortunately

But the birth record I found for is John Ronis so I might have that wrong. I just assumed the spelling was wrong when it was transcribed
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 31 May 19 12:18 BST (UK)
It can be a nightmare finding the right births without an age at death. 

The 1755 marriage transcript also has - John ROW marries with consent of his mother.   
He would have been born around 1743 to have been a minor when he married.
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Friday 31 May 19 13:54 BST (UK)
I can't seem to find anything  :-\
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Friday 31 May 19 14:35 BST (UK)
John Roes I found born in Dorset around 1738 include:

John Roe. Father: Thomas Roe. Baptism: 03/04/1738 Blandford-Forum

John Roe. Mother: Grace Roe. Father: Austin Roe. Baptism: 03/09/1735 Marnhull Dorset England

John Roe. Baptism: 16/03/1735 Corfe Castle Dorset England

But then again there's a chance he wasn't born in Dorset!
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 31 May 19 16:15 BST (UK)
Sorry I am not seeing a likely candidate either.  If permission for the 1755 marriage was given by his mother perhaps he was illegitimate or his father had died. 

Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Friday 31 May 19 17:05 BST (UK)
The thing is there is a John Row born in Wareham 1750 to a John and Mary Roe.

The only reason this doesn't work is because the marriage between John and Ann has them BOTH as widows.

If John wasn't actually a widow (the transcription is wrong) or he married his first wife in 1766 (age 16) then it would work
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 31 May 19 17:09 BST (UK)
The other problem is the accuracy of the transcripts.  There are a couple of variations on the surname of the John who married Mary Bishop.

Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Friday 31 May 19 17:23 BST (UK)
The John Row that married Anne Hascal was a minor

The only John Row born in Wareham between 1755 and 1731 was born in 1750. Meaning he would have been 5 when he married Anne Hascal which seem a bit unlikely...

What do you think my next steps should be?

Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 01 June 19 08:17 BST (UK)
It may be worth trying to see if the licence for the 1755 marriage still exists
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Wednesday 05 June 19 09:11 BST (UK)
I've found a couple of potential birthplaces and years for John Roe that place him in Dorset and makes him a minor. The two below are the only John Roes I could find born in Dorset between 1738 (17 in 1755) and 1732 (13 in 1755)

John Roe b.1740 Corfe Castle.
Father: Charles Roe
Mother: Susana Roe

John Roe b.1738 Blandford Forum. Father: Thomas Roe

My only question is: is it likely that he was married to his first with for 19 years without having any children before marrying his second wife with whom he had 4?
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 05 June 19 10:28 BST (UK)
It's certainly a possibility; suggests that the first wife had problems conceiving or carrying to term.
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: JamieRoe on Wednesday 05 June 19 14:23 BST (UK)
Hmmm something's not adding up!

My options:

- He was born 1750 in wareham and I've got the wrong first marriage (1755)
- He was born elsewhere (maybe Corfe Castle) and was a minor during his first marriage
- He was born 1750 in wareham and was 5 when he got married...
- I've got everything wrong so far!

The death record I found for him doesn't have an age and neither do either marriage records

There are loads of Roes in Corfe Castle (the neighboring parish) so I'm assuming he's related to them but I just can't make the connection
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: Sky_Rider1 on Tuesday 18 February 20 20:30 GMT (UK)
Hi

Can anyone help me with details further back from John Roe who married Ann Hill 12th feb 1775 in Wareham. John was buried 23 Feb 1783 in Wareham and Ann was buried 5 Feb 1802 in Wareham.

These were my x6 grandparents

Many thanks
Paul
Title: Re: Family of John Roe C1717-1770
Post by: nanny jan on Tuesday 18 February 20 21:07 GMT (UK)
A possible baptism from Wareham baptisms on opcdorset.org:

John, son of John and Mary ROWE of Stoborough (Old Meeting House) on 18th January 1750.

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