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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Dorset => England => Dorset Lookup Requests => Topic started by: JamieRoe on Friday 31 May 19 00:04 BST (UK)
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I have been able to trace my family to John Roe who I believe was born 1717 in Halstock, Dorset and died 1770 in Wareham, Dorset. He married Mary Bishop in 1740.
I'm having trouble finding his Father, Grandfather and Greatfather.
I think they are:
Father: William 1692 Poole - 1740 Halstock
Grandfather: Nicholas 1670 Halstock - 1732 Poole
Great Grandfather: Azariah 1649 - 1683 Halstock
Things don't really add up tho. Why would they bounce between Halstock and Poole between being born, having kids and dying? I'm not sure I have the right people
I've looked on OPCDorset but the records don't go back far enough!
Any help on John's predecessors would be amazing!
Many thanks ;D
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Working backwards from your other post
Samuel Roe bn c1777 parents John & Ann
Possible parents - John Roe (widower) married Ann Hill (widow) 27 Feb 1775 at Wareham
Where do you have this John being born and when. Who was his first wife
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I can find the baptism of Wiiliam, 14 July 1692 in Poole, parents Nicholous and Howner (presumably Nicholas and Honor). The only burials I can find for a William Roe in 1740 are in Cranborne and Whitchurch Canonicorum.
Emeltom
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That was what I was seeing too Emeltom and why I was trying to work back to it from Samuel as I could not see the appropriate death for John :)
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I have John Roe (Samuel's Father): Born 1750, Wareham. Died 1783, Wareham. I can't seem to find his first wife
I believe his father is also called John which might be confusing things? But I might be wrong
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This is what I found for John's birth info on Ancestry:
Name John Ronis
Birth Date: 22 Dec 1750
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Father: John Ronis
Mother: Mary Ronis
Baptism Date: 18 Jan 1751
Baptism Place: Wareham, Dorset, England
Denomination Independent Piece Title Piece 0060: Wareham, Meeting House Lane (Independent), 1740-1789
I assumed it was transcribed incorrectly and is supposed to say Roe or Rowe instead of Ronis. Unless my family changed their name from Ronis at this time?
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I think this may be his first marriage
John Roe - A Minor occ Cordwainer
Anne Hascal
03 Sep 1755
Groom was of parish of St Mary Holy Trinity
Burial at Wareham St Mary
10 Mar 1774
Ann Wife of John
That burial would fit in with a remarriage the following year.
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Is 1755 the marriage year? As I have this John born in 1750
Could this Ann be his mother? I have his father as also being a John which might be confusing things?
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Yes, 1755 was the marriage year. Does his death give an age giving you 1750 as a birth year.
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The death record I found doesn't have an age unfortunately
But the birth record I found for is John Ronis so I might have that wrong. I just assumed the spelling was wrong when it was transcribed
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It can be a nightmare finding the right births without an age at death.
The 1755 marriage transcript also has - John ROW marries with consent of his mother.
He would have been born around 1743 to have been a minor when he married.
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I can't seem to find anything :-\
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John Roes I found born in Dorset around 1738 include:
John Roe. Father: Thomas Roe. Baptism: 03/04/1738 Blandford-Forum
John Roe. Mother: Grace Roe. Father: Austin Roe. Baptism: 03/09/1735 Marnhull Dorset England
John Roe. Baptism: 16/03/1735 Corfe Castle Dorset England
But then again there's a chance he wasn't born in Dorset!
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Sorry I am not seeing a likely candidate either. If permission for the 1755 marriage was given by his mother perhaps he was illegitimate or his father had died.
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The thing is there is a John Row born in Wareham 1750 to a John and Mary Roe.
The only reason this doesn't work is because the marriage between John and Ann has them BOTH as widows.
If John wasn't actually a widow (the transcription is wrong) or he married his first wife in 1766 (age 16) then it would work
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The other problem is the accuracy of the transcripts. There are a couple of variations on the surname of the John who married Mary Bishop.
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The John Row that married Anne Hascal was a minor
The only John Row born in Wareham between 1755 and 1731 was born in 1750. Meaning he would have been 5 when he married Anne Hascal which seem a bit unlikely...
What do you think my next steps should be?
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It may be worth trying to see if the licence for the 1755 marriage still exists
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I've found a couple of potential birthplaces and years for John Roe that place him in Dorset and makes him a minor. The two below are the only John Roes I could find born in Dorset between 1738 (17 in 1755) and 1732 (13 in 1755)
John Roe b.1740 Corfe Castle.
Father: Charles Roe
Mother: Susana Roe
John Roe b.1738 Blandford Forum. Father: Thomas Roe
My only question is: is it likely that he was married to his first with for 19 years without having any children before marrying his second wife with whom he had 4?
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It's certainly a possibility; suggests that the first wife had problems conceiving or carrying to term.
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Hmmm something's not adding up!
My options:
- He was born 1750 in wareham and I've got the wrong first marriage (1755)
- He was born elsewhere (maybe Corfe Castle) and was a minor during his first marriage
- He was born 1750 in wareham and was 5 when he got married...
- I've got everything wrong so far!
The death record I found for him doesn't have an age and neither do either marriage records
There are loads of Roes in Corfe Castle (the neighboring parish) so I'm assuming he's related to them but I just can't make the connection
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Hi
Can anyone help me with details further back from John Roe who married Ann Hill 12th feb 1775 in Wareham. John was buried 23 Feb 1783 in Wareham and Ann was buried 5 Feb 1802 in Wareham.
These were my x6 grandparents
Many thanks
Paul
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A possible baptism from Wareham baptisms on opcdorset.org:
John, son of John and Mary ROWE of Stoborough (Old Meeting House) on 18th January 1750.
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