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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Library and FHS Lookups => Topic started by: Celtic Damsel on Sunday 02 June 19 11:18 BST (UK)
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Hi all you lovely roots chatters once again, can anyone tel me if there is a way to find out parents names before having to purchase a birth cert from UK they are so expensive!, I have a possible birth record for someone I have been trying to track down for many years but have tried finding this man on the census and nothing fits my information? thanks in anticipation of your suggestions as always
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Baptism record? If he married a fathers name could be shown but again that is another certificate unless the information is helpfully online.
What year are we talking about and what part of the UK?
If you can post the name and relevant info like place of birth maybe we can have a look for him.
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Baptism record? If he married a fathers name could be shown but again that is another certificate unless the information is helpfully online.
What year are we talking about and what part of the UK?
Thanks I have his marriage cert for 1907 in London he names his father as William Gibbs (deceased) his own birth he says 1882 in Marleybone London, I have found only one birth on ancestry that matches his dates but of course would have to pay for the cert to see if the father matches, I have trolled all the census to see if I can find them as a family to no avail, he became an orphan quite young so the only census I have found him on is the 1901 living with a Thomas and Elizabeth Gammon (nee Gibbs) and he is named as nephew, thats as far as I have been able to piece him any help would be gratefully appreciated
If you can post the name and relevant info like place of birth maybe we can have a look for him.
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Thank you that's something to go on. The nephew bit should be especially helpful.
One thing - what is his own name?!
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Thank you that's something to go on. The nephew bit should be especially helpful.
One thing - what is his own name?!
Arthur Walter Gibbs B 1882
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Elizabeth Gibbs father William Gibbs married Thomas Gammon in 1858.
In theory a brother or maybe sister of Elizabeth was the parent of Arthur so if we can trace Elizabeth back on the census to find her siblings some clue may come to light.
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Elizabeth Gibbs father William Gibbs married Thomas Gammon in 1858.
In theory a brother or maybe sister of Elizabeth was the parent of Arthur so if we can trace Elizabeth back on the census to find her siblings some clue may come to light.
Yes that was my thinking alright I assumed it would be the case, I think I found her on the census she was from Hoathly sussex she did have a brother called William but I didnt have any luck tracing him thanks
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Possible births
GIBBS, ARTHUR WILLIAM STILES
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 111
This one married Vera Bessie Carew,
GIBBS, ARTHUR WILLIAM VOWLES
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1073
GIBBS, ARTHUR WILLIAM THOMPSON
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 655
This one died as baby (I think)
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deleted. Wrong
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A family tree has a photo of Arthur Walter Gibbs and gives his birth date as 17 Sep 1882 and death 1948 with wife Emily R Hill - is this your chap?
If so his father is given as William as you have said and mother as Mary E ?
How do you know he "became an orphan quite young"
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Sorry there are other trees as well but the information is misleading :-\
Back to the Gammons, can't yet find them in 1891 to see if Arthur is still with them as nephew.
Can you find them in 1891?
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Ah might have something here :D
Suddenly thought of looking for a birth under Gammon instead of Gibbs and this popped up.
Arthur Walter Gammon Sep 1882 Marylebone - no mothers maiden name
What do you think? The first names, birth place and year match.
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Baptism for Arthur Walter Gammon 29 Sep 1882
Mother Ellen Gammon
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I think the 1901 nephew Albert William Gibbs married 1903, not 1907.
No kids by 1911
Sep 1/4 1903
Gibbs Arthur William Lewisham 1d 2122
Odd Carrie Edwena Lewisham 1d 2122
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Hi The one on the 1901 is Arthur Walter Gibbs not Albert William if he is the right one he married Emily HIll in 1907 in London
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Baptism for Arthur Walter Gammon 29 Sep 1882
Mother Ellen Gammon
Yep this one is the one I'm leaning towards but Ellen is the daughter of Elizabeth and Thomas on that 1901 extract and her Mothers maiden name is Gibbs so how did he adopt the Gibbs name, I am so confused lol
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A family tree has a photo of Arthur Walter Gibbs and gives his birth date as 17 Sep 1882 and death 1948 with wife Emily R Hill - is this your chap?
If so his father is given as William as you have said and mother as Mary E ? Hi yes this is him but any of the trees online are incorrect he said his father was a William Gibbs solicitors clerk deceased on his marriage cert in 1907
How do you know he "became an orphan quite young"
He says his father is deceased in 1907 and there was never a mother mentioned either
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Yep this one is the one I'm leaning towards but Ellen is the daughter of Elizabeth and Thomas on that 1901 extract and her Mothers maiden name is Gibbs so how did he adopt the Gibbs name, I am so confused lol
It is confusing isn't it but maybe the Gibbs/Gammon families were close and the Gibbs brought him up. If yours does have the birth date 17 Sep 1882 then back to getting the certificate I'm afraid for the Gammon birth to see if the birth dates match. I'm betting they do!
Tracing what happened to potential mother Ellen Gammon is another avenue. There was one that married around 1888 I think but Arthur isn't with her in 1891 - maybe he had already been "adopted" by the Gibbs family :-\
Certainly haven't got all the answers yet just thinking aloud.
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1891 is a mixture of Gammon - transcribed as Gammell - and Gibbs including a Walter. Will list for perusal.
Thomas Gammon 52
Elizabeth " 24 could be 44
Samuel " 26
Arthur " 21
Albert " 15
Agnes " 13
Frederick " 9
Walter " 7
William Gibbs 19
Elizabeth Gibbs 59
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is that Arthur Walter age 19 not on 1901 with the Gammons rather than the 1891 ? I just found a school record for an Arthur Walter Gibbs age 9 same birth date same area so he was definitely a Gibbs by then if he was born Gammon something must have happened in the interim 9 year period, I'm so confused folks but you are all brilliant loving all the help as the old saying goes loads of heads are always better than one confused one, (or words to that affect) lol
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would it make sense if he was brought up by a Gibbs aunt who married a Gammon
Or do I mean a Gammon Aunt sister of Ellens mother
Did the school record list a parent .? Tho this could be whoever accompanied him to school that day .
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No unfortunately it didn't list a parent just a date of birth name and age frustratingly it mentions the school he was in prior to that but I dunno if the records for it would be available?
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So the date of birth from the school record is crucial then. If this Arthur Walter Gammon has the same exact date of birth then surely it must be the same person but again I'm afraid that can only be found out from the certificate :(