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Title: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: Althea7 on Sunday 02 June 19 12:01 BST (UK)
Henry Greenwood was born 19th August 1853 at 114 Butler Street, Ancoats, Manchester.  Same address as the Residence of Informant, his mother Mary Greenwood.  No father's name given.  I have the birth certificate.

On the 1861 census he is age 7, living with his grandmother Fanny Greenwood 68, mother Mary Greenwood 26, and cousin Joseph Smith 2 at Downith Lane, Charlesworth, Derbyshire.

On the 1871 census he is age 16, living with his mother Mary Ferneley 34, stepfather Edward Ferneley 32, and half brother James Ferneley age 1, in Glossop.

After that, I am not certain and it is just guesswork.  Up to the 1871 census I am sure I have the right person.  I think I found him in Ashton under Lyne.
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: heatherjulie on Sunday 02 June 19 12:20 BST (UK)
Mary Greenwood married Edward Fearnley in 1861 at Manchester St Jude. Her maiden name was possibly Garger according to lancsbmd or Gargen according to Civil marriage records.
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: Althea7 on Sunday 02 June 19 12:22 BST (UK)
Mary Greenwood married Edward Fearnley in 1861 at Manchester St Jude. Her maiden name was possibly Garger according to lancsbmd

Thanks.  I should have filled in all this detail, I know his mother Mary Greenwood married Henry Geoghan, who died and then she married Edward Ferneley.  Neither were Henry's father, she married Henry Geoghan after Henry her son was born, though he might have been the father, but he wasn't named on the birth certificate.

I have researched his mother Mary Greenwood fairly thoroughly, her birth, two marriages, two sons, Henry Greenwood and James Ferneley, and death.  I am fairly certain of her son Henry up to the 1871 census, but can't trace him after that, though he may be somebody who settled in Ashton under Lyne.
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: heatherjulie on Sunday 02 June 19 12:30 BST (UK)
Parish of St Jude
29th September 1861
Edward Fearnly 23 Bachelor Collier
20 Bislam? Borslam? Street
Father James Fearnly Collier
Mary Gargen 27 Widow
Father Henry Greenwood Overlooker

Witness : John Herbert and Emma Peake made their mark.
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: heatherjulie on Sunday 02 June 19 12:31 BST (UK)
1856
Mary Greenwood married Henry Geoghan at Manchester Cathedral
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: Althea7 on Sunday 02 June 19 12:44 BST (UK)
Parish of St Jude
29th September 1861
Edward Fearnly 23 Bachelor Collier
20 Bislam? Borslam? Street
Father James Fearnly Collier
Mary Gargen 27 Widow
Father Henry Greenwood Overlooker

Witness : John Herbert and Emma Peake made their mark.

Yes, that is Mary Greenwood, Henry's mother.
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: Althea7 on Sunday 02 June 19 12:46 BST (UK)
1856
Mary Greenwood married Henry Geoghan at Manchester Cathedral

Yes, that is Henry's mother, Mary Greenwood.

It is possible that Henry Geoghan was her son's father, but he wasn't on the birth certificate.  Any descendants of the son Henry Greenwood would want to trace his father as well as his mother, so that would be relevant to them.  (Good luck with that, I couldn't find out anything about Henry Geoghan.  I think I read that he was born in Ireland).
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: emeltom on Sunday 02 June 19 12:53 BST (UK)
There is a Henry Greenwood born c1855 in Manchester, living in Glossop, Derbyshire in 1881 with wife Nancy and sons Edward, Moses and James. Ref RG11/3461/f62/p3

Marriage to Nancy Cooper Mar 1875 Ashton under Lyne vol 8d p798

The family can be found 1891 and 1901. In 1911 Nacy is a widow

Death

Henry Greenwood Jun 1911 Glossop vol 7b p 466 aged 59

Emeltom
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: Althea7 on Sunday 02 June 19 12:54 BST (UK)
There is a Henry Greenwood born c1855 in Manchester, living in Glossop, Derbyshire in 1881 with wife Nancy and sons Edward, Moses and James. Ref RG11/3461/f62/p3

Marriage to Nancy Cooper Mar 1875 Ashton under Lyne vol 8d p798

The family can be found 1891 and 1901. In 1911 Nacy is a widow

Death

Henry Greenwood Jun 1911 Glossop vol 7b p 466 aged 59

Emeltom

Thanks.  That was the one I was wondering about.  I suppose I need the marriage certificate to try to prove it is the same Henry Greenwood.

Thanks for those GRO references, I might have the death details slightly wrong, I have April 1911 in Glossop, birth date about 1852.  I will check the GRO.
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: emeltom on Sunday 02 June 19 13:34 BST (UK)
He may well have died in April 1911 but that would be registered in the June quarter.

Emeltom
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: heatherjulie on Sunday 02 June 19 16:50 BST (UK)
I think that the registers for Christ Church Ashton are on microfilm at Tameside Local Studies. I will try to check Henry and Nancy's marriage in 1875 next week.
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: Althea7 on Sunday 02 June 19 17:21 BST (UK)
I think that the registers for Christ Church Ashton are on microfilm at Tameside Local Studies. I will try to check Henry and Nancy's marriage in 1875 next week.

Thanks.  It would be amazing if you find it.  It could have all kinds of validating evidence.

I couldn't find it on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk Project, but I am not very expert using that website.

Don't worry if you can't, or if it is too far to get to. I might be able to order the marriage certificate from the GRO, using the reference volume 8d page 798, March 1875, Ashton under Lyne.

Only do it if it is very, very easy. They might not have more than the GRO reference number anyway.  I can probably only get a copy of this marriage record from the GRO.  Marriage records are only slightly more expensive than the pdf's they do for births and deaths.
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: Althea7 on Sunday 02 June 19 17:27 BST (UK)
He may well have died in April 1911 but that would be registered in the June quarter.

Emeltom

I found it on the GRO index.  Henry Greenwood died 1911, J quarter in GLOSSOP.  Volume 08B, page 466, age 59.
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 04 June 19 16:38 BST (UK)
Christ Church Ashton under Lyne

4th February 1875

Henry Greenwood 30 Bachelor Occupation Stripper
Abode Waterloo
Father Henry Greenwood Carder (or it might have said Carter)

Nancy Cooper 21 Spinster
Abode Waterloo
Father Moses Cooper Publican

Witnesses Enos Higginbottom and Elizabeth Ann Cross made her mark x
Vicar J Davenport Kelly
Henry signed his name Nancy made her mark x


Waterloo is an area of Ashton

In 1881, Moses Cooper is a Publican, Lane Head, Charlesworth
1971 the Cooper family are at Turnpike Road, Charlesworth
1861 Nancy's surname is given as Radcliff, Downith Lane, Charlesworth
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: Althea7 on Tuesday 04 June 19 17:11 BST (UK)
Christ Church Ashton under Lyne

4th February 1875

Henry Greenwood 30 Bachelor Occupation Stripper
Abode Waterloo
Father Henry Greenwood Carder (or it might have said Carter)

Nancy Cooper 21 Spinster
Abode Waterloo
Father Moses Cooper Publican

Witnesses Enos Higginbottom and Elizabeth Ann Cross made her mark x
Vicar J Davenport Kelly
Henry signed his name Nancy made her mark x


Waterloo is an area of Ashton

In 1881, Moses Cooper is a Publican, Lane Head, Charlesworth
1971 the Cooper family are at Turnpike Road, Charlesworth
1861 Nancy's surname is given as Radcliff, Downith Lane, Charlesworth

Thanks.  I have Henry's birth certificate that gives his date of birth as 19th August 1853, born Manchester.  He is on the 1861 census living in Downith Lane, Charlesworth, with his mother, grandmother and cousin, so if Nancy was on the 1861 census living in Downith Lane, Charlesworth, he would probably have known her.

He would never have known his grandfather Henry Greenwood, who died in 1847, so wouldn't even have known him as a father substitute.

Age 30 would make him born in 1845.  His grandfather, Henry Greenwood, was a Carder.  No father mentioned on his birth certificate.

Very mixed, some things saying this is the right person.

He has a huge number of descendants, so I might get a DNA match one day with somebody who has traced back to him or his children or grandchildren.
Title: Re: Henry Greenwood born 1853, Ancoats, Manchester.
Post by: Althea7 on Wednesday 05 June 19 11:50 BST (UK)
I am fairly sure it is the right person.  Nancy Radcliffe is on the same page of the 1861 census, age 8 born Hollingworth, Cheshire, with her stepfather Moses Cooper, mother Sarah and younger Cooper siblings, including Sarah Jane Cooper age 6 born Charlesworth, Derbyshire, as Henry Greenwood and his mother, grandmother and cousin, in Downith Lane, Charlesworth.

There is a marriage between Moses Cooper and Sarah Radcliffe, on 17th December 1854, Ashton under Lyne, fathers Moses Cooper and James Radcliffe.

GRO has Nancy Ratcliff born 1853, S quarter, in Ashton under Lyne, no mother's surname given.