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Title: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: haney on Monday 03 June 19 22:36 BST (UK)
HI Everyone I have been doing research on the above for quite a few years now and I am just trying to get his timeline together as all the documents I have been sent are in Swedish it's been slightly difficult so I thought I would ask someone with more experience perhaps to try and unravel the movements of Karl HALLGREN. 

1869-11-19  KARL FREDRIK born (Söderhamn), County of Gävleborg  Illegitimate son of BRITA CATHRINA HALLGREN born 1846-08-20, came from Hudiksvall 1867, died 1869-11-27 8 day’s after giving birth.

From here (on familysearch) I have Karl on the 1871-1880 Census with Foster parents Fredrika Charlotta Melin and Olof NILSSON. 

Again from 1876-1880 with above foster parents.  Karl then goes to Klara from Dalaro in 1881.

My question (and confusion is!) in 1873 from the JARVSO moving out certificate it has The young boy Karl Fredrik, son of the joinery worker Bror
August Hallgren, is born in Söderhamn on the 19 Nov 1869,
is vaccinated and moves now after the tax listings
to Stockholm.

The vaccination was for smallpox.

Both the pastor and Bror  might have felt it looked much better to have Bror for a father rather than having "both parents unknown".
Therefore exactly what year is Karl Frederik HALLGREN given up to the Foster parents Frederika and Olof NILSSON??  Just want to make sure my timeline is correct.  Thanks so much for any help.  Kindest regards Dianna from Aus
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 04 June 19 07:32 BST (UK)

Both the pastor and Bror  might have felt it looked much better to have Bror for a father rather than having "both parents unknown".


Hi
I took a wee look at some of the records which you may already have:

1869:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nvr/
1875:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nvq/

I noticed that she was the stepdaughter in the family "styvdottern". She is actually living with her mother.
1846: Brita's birth record:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nvs/

1846: Sigrin Olofsdotter without daughter:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nvt/


Ian


Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 04 June 19 07:40 BST (UK)

Therefore exactly what year is Karl Frederik HALLGREN given up to the Foster parents Frederika and Olof NILSSON??  Just want to make sure my timeline is correct.


His mother died in 1869 and he was sent away in 1873. I suppose he couldn't be looked after anymore and was sent away in 1873. It may have taken 4 years to find a foster home. I think then 1873 is the foster year.

Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Tuesday 04 June 19 08:17 BST (UK)
HI thanks very much for your replies I can't really make out the documents unfortunately, even if I could read Swedish they are a bit hard to make out aren't they???

I noticed that she was the stepdaughter in the family "styvdottern". She is actually living with her mother.
1846: Brita's birth record:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nvs/

Could you explain this perhaps??  Do you read Swedish at all??  Is BRITA HALLGREN the stepdaughter of BROR AUGUST HALLGREN???? I'm confused really.  LOL

1846: Sigrin Olofsdotter without daughter:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nvt/

What does this mean????  I find the census' a bit confusing really.  It say's from family search that Karl Frederick is the stepson of the NILSSON'S from 1871-1880 but then the Grandfather of Karl Frederick BROR AUGUST HALLGREN has had him immunised/vacinated in 1873.  SO CONFUSED.  Thanks anyway.  Regards Dianna
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 04 June 19 08:20 BST (UK)

Could you explain this perhaps??  Do you read Swedish at all??  Is BRITA HALLGREN the stepdaughter of BROR AUGUST HALLGREN???? I'm confused really.  LOL


Cheers.
Yes I can read Swedish and these records.
Yes she was his stepdaughter.

Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 04 June 19 08:24 BST (UK)

What does this mean????  I find the census' a bit confusing really.  It say's from family search that Karl Frederick is the stepson of the NILSSON'S from 1871-1880 but then the Grandfather of Karl Frederick BROR AUGUST HALLGREN has had him immunised/vacinated in 1873.  SO CONFUSED.  Thanks anyway.  Regards Dianna


Is this the record you are referring to?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSG4-79BF-N?i=133


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Wednesday 05 June 19 06:17 BST (UK)
HI Ian wow I had some dramas replying to you!!  Never mind!  Thanks so much for the information.  How did you find Brita Cattarina etc. birth record if not under HALLGREN.  Now that has put a different spin on the research as the name is not really HALLGREN now is it, if she is BROR AUGUST HALLGRENS stepdaughter. 

Yes the 1876-1880 census link you sent is correct BUT Karl also appears on the 1871-1880 Residence Stockholm, Sverige (Swedish Household Examination Books that is where my confusion was/is as there is no actual tick or sign underneath all of the years from 1871 to 1880 so I wasn't sure if he was there with the NILSSON'S for that WHOLE period but you think he is with them from 1873, makes more sense doesn't it.  Then he is with the other family from 1880 onwards.  Still trying to find him leaving Sweden (Stockholm) c 1887, seems to be a Seaman or Sailor of some description. 
 1885-1886 he is in the book of
missing persons in Klara parish.
 
1885 Carl Fredik listed as not present in Klara Parish at the same time a remark saying moved to Tegnergatan 4, on 20 Febr. 1886
 
1886 Tax roll with foster mother Josephina Charlotta Lindberger
 
1887 he is alone and is titled “Sjomannen”, the sailor. 
1888 (approximately) arrives in Australia.
 
1900 CENSUS He does not seem to appear on this in Sweden!!!

Anyway even though his marriage certificate here does NOT have the correct parents for him, it has been suggested to me that he may have been trying to cover up his "illegitimate" status.  Thanks so much for your help.  Kindest regards Dianna the below is the 1871-1880 (from family search)

www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSG4-733N-4?i=215&cc=2790465





Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: pinefamily on Wednesday 05 June 19 07:26 BST (UK)
Hi Dianna,
Ian will be able to sort it out for you; he is great at finding "missing" ancestors in the Swedish records.
Have you found Karl Frederik in the Australian National Archives? He could have been naturalized. If so, there should be a record for him. The information on those records will help pinpoint where from and when he came to Australia.
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Wednesday 05 June 19 09:34 BST (UK)
Hi yes I am trying to collate data on him now from the Australian resources.  I have done some but will need to relook at some things.  I have his marriage cert and death/birth of two children etc.

He seems to using the name CHARLES FREDERICK HALLGREN when he arrived in Australia (Victoria)  Haven't come across an immigation record as yet.  He could have just jumped ship when he arrived here of course.  Thanks for your input it is very much appreciated.  Hard when you don't read/write Swedish isn't.  Still fun to do though.  Regards Dianna
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 05 June 19 09:36 BST (UK)
Hi
You don't happen to have the sources of your Swedish records also what part of Australia did he arrive?

Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 05 June 19 10:04 BST (UK)
Just re-read your previous post......Victoria.

Ian

 
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 05 June 19 10:18 BST (UK)
This is what I could dig up for now:



1881 - Out - Klara Parish
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw0/ - nr 10. He was a tailor here.

1884 - Out - Klara Parish
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw1/ - nr 14.

1886 - Out - Klara Parish
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw2/

1886 - In - Johannes Parish
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw3/



Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 05 June 19 10:19 BST (UK)

1887 he is alone and is titled “Sjomannen”, the sailor. 


Do you have the source to this record?


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 05 June 19 10:24 BST (UK)

Anyway even though his marriage certificate here does NOT have the correct parents for him.....


Who did he state as his parents?

Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 05 June 19 22:36 BST (UK)
Hi Dianna,
Ian will be able to sort it out for you; he is great at finding "missing" ancestors in the Swedish records.

Hi pinefamily. Hope all is well.
I do hope that I can find more on him.

Ian


Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: pinefamily on Thursday 06 June 19 00:18 BST (UK)
Hello Ian,
Yes all well here in a cold South Australia. Hope you are doing well too.
I've had a look on our national archives site, and there are a few Hallgren entries.
Some of them could be his sons; enlistment papers for Victorian born Hallgren's.
There's a naturalization paper for a Frederick Hallgren 1897, but it's not digitized. Dianna will have to contact the archives to get a copy.
Cheers
Darren
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 06 June 19 00:19 BST (UK)
Excellent Darren.
Cheers.

Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 06 June 19 00:30 BST (UK)
Yes I am doing well thanks.
Not cold here though but a pretty hot 32°C.

Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: pinefamily on Thursday 06 June 19 00:36 BST (UK)
Yes I am doing well thanks.
Not cold here though but a pretty hot 32°C.

Ian
Haha that's just a pleasant summer's day to us Aussies. Try 46, which we had a couple of times our last summer.
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 06 June 19 09:51 BST (UK)
Haha that's just a pleasant summer's day to us Aussies. Try 46, which we had a couple of times our last summer.

I think 46°C is a bit too high for me.

Ian


Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 06 June 19 10:07 BST (UK)

How did you find Brita Cattarina etc. birth record if not under HALLGREN.  Now that has put a different spin on the research as the name is not really HALLGREN now is it, if she is BROR AUGUST HALLGRENS stepdaughter.


Her date of birth is recorded beside her name and usually the place of birth too. The record states that her mother's name is Sigrin Olofsdotter. Brita took the surname Hallgren when Sigrin married Bror.


Here is Brita's death record from Järvsö 27 Nov 1869:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw6/

Translation:
Hallgren Brita Katrina, daughter to carpenter Hallgren and his wife Olsdotter Sigrin in Kyrkbyn i Nr. 3


She died of peritonitis


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 06 June 19 11:01 BST (UK)
Hi Dianna
I received the image fine thanks.
The "7" you asked about is the amount of persons on the tax record.


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 06 June 19 11:32 BST (UK)


Yes the 1876-1880 census link you sent is correct BUT Karl also appears on the 1871-1880 Residence Stockholm, Sverige (Swedish Household Examination Books that is where my confusion was/is as there is no actual tick or sign underneath all of the years from 1871 to 1880 so I wasn't sure if he was there with the NILSSON'S for that WHOLE period but you think he is with them from 1873, makes more sense doesn't it.


Just clearing up some queries.

Source:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSG4-733N-4?i=215&cc=2790465
He was with the Nilssons up to 12 June 1874 when he left for Hedvig Eleanora Parish in Stockholm.


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 06 June 19 11:35 BST (UK)

1881 - Out - Klara Parish
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw0/ - nr 10. He was a tailor here.

1884 - Out - Klara Parish
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw1/ - nr 14.

1886 - Out - Klara Parish
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw2/

1886 - In - Johannes Parish
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw3/



The record in bold text coincides with the image you sent me.


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 06 June 19 11:41 BST (UK)

1885-1886 he is in the book of missing persons in Klara parish.
 

Do you have this record by any chance?


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Thursday 06 June 19 21:49 BST (UK)
Hi thanks for all the information on Karl, I'm just going through it now.  With regards to the missing Karl in 1886 I will look at my notes, probably from one of my old enquires.  Way back in 2009 one of the people helping used a Klara CD to find things for me.
In regard to the below, which has just been sent to me!!  Is it possible to find the actual image of this census as KARL FREDERIK is referred to as THORSLUND and that is his fathers name.

In next census he is living with in Stockholm with Olof and Fredrika

Källa: Hedvig Eleonora AIa:72 (1873-1874) Bild 325
Samma hushåll
Olof Nilsson 18450820   
Fredrika Charlotta 18430209   
Carl Fredrik Thorslund 18691119

Birth record:-1869-11-19  KARL FREDRIK born (Söderhamn), County of Gävleborg  Illegitimate son of BRITA CATHRINA HALLGREN born 1846-08-20, came from Hudiksvall 1867, died 1869-11-27 8 day’s after giving birth.

 

 The birth book for Soderhamn says that the mother wishes to be anonymous    BUT someone has added: Mother Brita Katarina Hallgren, 23 years old, carpenters daughter from Kyrkbyn in Jarvso parish Father: Shop keeper G F Thorslund, Stockholm.  Address: Regeringsgatan 94 A, The Spice shop.  Brita’s brother Bror Olof Hallgren was one of the witness’s to the baptism.  Karl Frederik was born at the midwife, Mrs Noren’s home.

 

Söderhamn CI:5 (1868-1877) Image 30 / page 25 (AID: v136897.b30.s25, NAD: SE/HLA/1010202)

Now of course I am trying to find out WHEN he left Stockholm (or other place in Sweden) to come here in 1888, so my next question is are there any documents pertaining to him after the "Sailors" document.  I guess he didn't worry/bother about informing the parish.  Thanks so much for your help now I have a bit more of an idea of his life and movements.  Regards Dianna
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Thursday 06 June 19 22:33 BST (UK)
HI Ian just a snippet from my timeline, don't know if it helps or not.  I have a copy of the tax roll as well with his foster mum.

 I guess he was too young to pay taxes at this time and if he left Sweden c 1887 (if he did?) then I suppose there are not too many other records.

 I would imagine if he were "working" on a/the ship there would be a payroll/manifest or something but I have not been able to find any information on that at all. 

I can only surmise that the guy in Victoria is him, the timeline adds up BUT I may never know, especially as he has given "False Parents" on his marriage certificate. 

His first child was born in 1892 in Victoria so that is a gap from 1888-1892 that needs filling, which I don't think is possible, not from the records here anyway.  Many many thanks Dianna

1885 Info, moved out
Moved out:
Move to the appendix B
1884-1885 alone at "Fyrfotan Mindre 7,8" in
Klara parish, moved 1885 to "Bilagan" (usually a list of people leaving
without giving proper notice), and in 1885-1886 he is in the book of
missing persons in Klara parish.
 
1885 Carl Fredik listed as not present in Klara Parish at the same time a remark saying moved to Tegnergatan 4, on 20 Febr. 1886
 
1886 Tax roll with foster mother
 
1887 he is alone and is titled “Sjomannen”, the sailor
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: pinefamily on Friday 07 June 19 00:13 BST (UK)
Hi Dianna,
Have you looked into getting a copy of the naturalization of Frederik Hallgren in the National Australian Archives?
If it's your man, it should say when he came to Australia. The naturalization certificate for my own great grandfather did, as well as where in Sweden he came from.
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 07 June 19 10:13 BST (UK)

Birth record:-1869-11-19  KARL FREDRIK born (Söderhamn), County of Gävleborg  Illegitimate son of BRITA CATHRINA HALLGREN born 1846-08-20, came from Hudiksvall 1867, died 1869-11-27 8 day’s after giving birth.

The birth book for Soderhamn says that the mother wishes to be anonymous    BUT someone has added: Mother Brita Katarina Hallgren, 23 years old, carpenters daughter from Kyrkbyn in Jarvso parish Father: Shop keeper G F Thorslund, Stockholm.  Address: Regeringsgatan 94 A, The Spice shop.  Brita’s brother Bror Olof Hallgren was one of the witness’s to the baptism.  Karl Frederik was born at the midwife, Mrs Noren’s home.


Here is the record:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw9/

The "someone" was the minister. Unusual that the mother wanted to be unknown. I haven't seen this before. I do know that back then the father and mother would be fined or punished for having illegitimate children so perhaps this is why they were recorded.
Here is an explanation:
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Sweden_Finding_an_Unknown_Father_in_Swedish_Records


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 07 June 19 10:17 BST (UK)

In regard to the below, which has just been sent to me!!  Is it possible to find the actual image of this census as KARL FREDERIK is referred to as THORSLUND and that is his fathers name.

In next census he is living with in Stockholm with Olof and Fredrika

Källa: Hedvig Eleonora AIa:72 (1873-1874) Bild 325
Samma hushåll
Olof Nilsson 18450820   
Fredrika Charlotta 18430209   
Carl Fredrik Thorslund 18691119


I don't have access to this record as it is only on ArkivDigital: https://www.arkivdigital.se/sources/1888
(Pity really. My subscription ended last week).

Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 07 June 19 10:23 BST (UK)

1885-1886 he is in the book of missing persons in Klara parish.
 

Do you have this record by any chance?


Are you getting help from someone with a subscription on ArkivDigital?
If so I would recommend you ask for this record.

Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 07 June 19 10:34 BST (UK)
The image you sent says "utfl 22/2 1886"....... moved out 22/2 1886.
The other text is nothing to do with him.

Religion in Sweden:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Sweden


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 07 June 19 13:13 BST (UK)

I would imagine if he were "working" on a/the ship there would be a payroll/manifest or something but I have not been able to find any information on that at all. 


To look through the seamen muster rolls you'll need to look on ArkivDigital.
Here is the link to the Stockholm Seamen Institute records: https://www.arkivdigital.se/sources/4938


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Monday 10 June 19 22:13 BST (UK)
Hi Ian thanks for your reply and links, very informative and helpful.  The record for the "Thorslund" mention has been sent to me through Ancestry (message board).  This person has an ArkivDigital and SVAR (did I spell that correct).  I have not asked yet for the record with Karl missing in 1885-1886 in Klara.  Way back in 2009 when I started this research someone was using CD'S with the records on them. 

I did note something interesting from your link re "Fathers" of illegitimate children and I would like to follow up on that!!!

 "It was not uncommon for an illegitimate son to receive the same first name as his father."

Now from what you have sent me it seems that this MR. THORSSLUND'S initials are C.F.  Not "G" as I had initially thought.  Will be interesting to find him in some records anyway your input and help has been wonderful and I thank you very much.  Will follow up also on Brita Cattarina's illegitimate status.  Hopefully I am on the right track with Karl/Carl Frederik HALLGREN (aka CHARLES F HALLGREN).  Thanks so much.  Kindest regards Dianna
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Monday 10 June 19 23:24 BST (UK)
Hi

http://sok.stadsarkivet.stockholm.se/Rotemannen2012/SearchResult.aspx.

I had a go at trying to find C.F. THORSLUND/THORSSLUND on the above!!!  Nothing came up BUT maybe not sure if I looked properly!! Regards Dianna
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 10 June 19 23:55 BST (UK)
Here he is in Ytterenhörna Parish.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nwt/


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Tuesday 11 June 19 00:12 BST (UK)
Oh my goodness!  Do I see the name CARL here and could you tell me please what is the first word here looks like SERGEANT????   I'll bet his second name if Frederik, that's great.  Many thanks Dianna

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 11 June 19 00:16 BST (UK)
It is sergeant.
And his name is Carl Fredrik.


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Tuesday 11 June 19 00:19 BST (UK)
Does Sargeant mean the same as it does in English???  Thought he was just a travelling salesman and shopkeeper???

 Wow this is amazing to find out that the mum has named her son after the father.  Thank you Dianna
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 11 June 19 00:30 BST (UK)
He must have been a soldier then.

Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Tuesday 11 June 19 00:47 BST (UK)
Yes that makes sense I'm just putting together a timeline for Mr. Thorslund now.  Do death certificates in Sweden mention wives and children at all??  The C. F THORSSLUND I have died 15 March 1889.

So far I have him in 1851-155 (from your information) then in the same place as Brita 1869.  Thorslund is in Jarvso 1874  (Census 1880??) and his death in 1889.  Interesting to see if he made a will/had inventory.  I don't suppose he would have mentioned his "illegitimate" son there.

Thanks so much adds some interest to the research.  Dianna
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 11 June 19 08:56 BST (UK)
Carl Fredrik and family:
1845-1850 - Härad Parish: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nwv/


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 11 June 19 09:17 BST (UK)
Rosalie Mathilda's christening record in Klara Parish. Parents not given.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nwx/


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 11 June 19 12:10 BST (UK)
Carl Fredriks's birth record - Turinge Parish:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nwy/


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 11 June 19 12:15 BST (UK)
Carl Fredrik and family 1821-1822 in Turinge Parish:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nwz/


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 11 June 19 13:27 BST (UK)
All records from Överselö Parish

1821-1825
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nx3/

1826-1831
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nx2/

1831-1836
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nx1/

1836-1842
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nx0/


Ian


Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Tuesday 11 June 19 23:03 BST (UK)
Hi Ian Thanks so much for all of this.  I will just attach here what has been searched re the "Sailors" records.  I did send you the copy of the only reference I have I think?? Doesn't look like I will be able to find out anything more on Carl HALLGREN leaving Sweden, that's just the way it goes I guess. 

Stockholm Sjömanshus records?

Surnames starting with "H" here: Stockholms sjömanshus DIc:2 (1871-1884) Image 2220 / page 294 (AID: v655690.b2220.s294, NAD: SE/SSA/0826A)

Or in the next volume: Stockholms sjömanshus DIc:6 (1885-1886) Image 1000 / page 94 (AID: v655694.b1000.s94, NAD: SE/SSA/0826A)

Just copying this as well which I received last year!!!Concerning Karl Fredrik Hallgren, born 1869-11-19 in Söderhamn, County of Gävleborg

 

I have been searching for him in  the registers for the Stockhom Merchant Marine Foundation (Stiftelsen Stockholms sjömanshus) for 1887-1888 but have not been able to find him there.

 

I have also searched for him in the database at the National Arhives over seamen and haven’t been able to find him there either.

 

Kind regards

Agneta Geschwind

The Stockholm City Archives

Agneta Geschwind, biträdande avdelningschef
Stadsarkivet, Arkivsvar
Box 22063, 104 22 Stockholm
Telefon: 08-508 28 251/076-12 28 251
E-post: agneta.geschwind@stockholm.se
www.stockholm.se/stadsarkivet

 


Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Friday 14 June 19 22:56 BST (UK)
HI again Ian

  Just following up on a couple of things before I finish off my Carl F. HALLGREN (THORSLUND?) research please.

Would it be possible to find out where the tax records are kept at all.  What years where these taken.  I have a copy of the 1884-1885 Tax record with SOFIA CARLOTTA LINDBERGER and fosterson CARL F. HALLGREN. 

The next tax record I have seems to have no date on it but Carl/Karl is by himself. ( I sent you that image!!!)

1886 - Out - Klara Parish
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw2/

1886 - In - Johannes Parish
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw3/.

Where was Carl in 1887??  Any record????  Also the 1890 Census can that be looked at again??  If there can be NO record found of him leaving Johannes Parish in 1886/87 I can only assume that he has left Sweden!

Thanks to you for your help.  Just want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row before I get this research finished.  With appreciation.  Dianna
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 16 June 19 10:36 BST (UK)
Here is Carl's birth record but not a better one as requested unfortunately:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nxk/


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 16 June 19 10:43 BST (UK)

Would it be possible to find out where the tax records are kept at all.  What years where these taken.  I have a copy of the 1884-1885 Tax record with SOFIA CARLOTTA LINDBERGER and fosterson CARL F. HALLGREN. 


Here is the page for the tax records in Swedish:
https://stadsarkivet.stockholm.se/hitta-i-arkiven/i-arkiven/mantalsregister/


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 16 June 19 10:46 BST (UK)

Where was Carl in 1887??  Any record????  Also the 1890 Census can that be looked at again??  If there can be NO record found of him leaving Johannes Parish in 1886/87 I can only assume that he has left Sweden!


He most probably wasn't in Sweden in 1890. He probably jumped ship meaning that he was never recorded leaving Sweden. I went through the leaving records for Johannes Parish but could not find him.


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 16 June 19 10:48 BST (UK)

Thanks to you for your help.  Just want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row before I get this research finished.  With appreciation.  Dianna


Cheers. You are welcome.

Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Thursday 20 June 19 00:51 BST (UK)
Hi Ian I am just sending you an email as I would like to know what it say's under "Dopvittnen?" for the entry on Carls birth record.  There seems to be a reference to Olofsdotter, not sure of course.
 

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nxk/

Would appreciate your input.  Kindest regards Dianna
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 20 June 19 10:07 BST (UK)
Hi


Torparen Erik Olofsson och hustru.
Brita Olofsdotter i Nybo
af Jerfsö socken, Snickaren sonen Bror Olaf Hallgren i Kyrkbyn
i Jerfsö socken och Bondedotter
Brita Jonsdotter i Wemdalens
socken och trakten.
Närvarande vid dopet barnmorsken
Fru Karin och jungfru Johanna Krills
Wennlöf.


Croftowner Erik Olofsson and wife.
Brita Olofsdotter in Nybo
in Järvsö Parish, Carpenter's son Bror Olaf Hallgren i Kyrkbyn
in Järvsö Parish and farmer's daughter
Brita Jonsdotter i Vemdalen
Parish and area.
Present at christening midwife
Mrs Karin and young Johanna Krills
Wennlöf.


Ian


Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Thursday 20 June 19 20:37 BST (UK)
HI Ian Thanks so much for that.  Looks like this Brita Olosdotter maybe a sister to Brita Hallgrens mother perhaps, Signe Olosdotter (if that is Signe unmarried name??) as you pointed out I believe that Brita? Hallgren was the illegitimate daughter of Signe.

Great to have this extra information just in case I ever track down relatives (Olofsdotters?? perhaps) one day.  Thanks very much once again.  I think I finally have all the birth certificate translated now. Takes some doing (with a lot of help).  If anything you find on Signe and Brita Olofsdotter being related?  Sisters perhaps I would appreciate also.  I may have to ask my friend who I am doing this research for to have her DNA test done, it may help.  Kindest regards Dianna
Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 08 July 19 11:53 BST (UK)
Hi Dianna

Sorry but I don't know the date of the tax record.
The text says that he was "also written in according to the Tax Book".
I believe he would have paid some kind of tax.


Ian

Title: Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
Post by: haney on Monday 08 July 19 21:09 BST (UK)
Hi Ian Thanks very much once again.  Will see if I can find out anything re the date?? Important for the timeline.  Much appreciated.  Regards Dianna
Title: Re: Segri/Sigrid/Sigrin OLOFSDOTTER/OR OLOFSSON-HALLGREN B 11/ December 1823
Post by: haney on Wednesday 10 July 19 23:17 BST (UK)



Hi I am trying to decipher the below document which has Signe/Sigrid? Olofsson listed on it.  I think she maybe working on a farm???  She is connected/related to possibly the BRITA JONSDOTTER on the bottom of page 15 who was born 7/6 1770 by the looks of it.

Looks like they (the OLOFSSON'S and family) live in a rural/country town!! 
Vemdalens kyrkoarkiv
Husförhörslängder

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0014318_00026

SE/ÖLA/11102/A I/5

Vemdalens kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/ÖLA/11102/A I/5 (1846-1854), Image ID: A0014318_00026, page 15.

Scanning through the pages on image16/Page 15 there is a HALLGREN?? Looks like it anyway!!!

Signe? OLOFSDOTTER married? BROR AUGUST HALLGREN (when? not sure).  Bror born in 1823 Falun Parents JONAS Hallgren and Anna Catharina FALSTROM.

Just adding to the timeline and life events of KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN, Signe is his Grandmother and I tried to find who the father was of Signes daughter BRITA CATTRINA HALLGREN but no luck so far as Brita is not actually a HALLGREN. 

More interested now in hopefully finding out who Signe had the baby BRITA CATHRINA to, maybe not possible I realise.  Still worth a try.  Kindest regards Dianna
Title: Re: Segri/Sigrid/Sigrin OLOFSDOTTER/OR OLOFSSON-HALLGREN B 11/ December 1823
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 11 July 19 00:09 BST (UK)

Signe? OLOFSDOTTER married? BROR AUGUST HALLGREN (when? not sure).


Here is their marriage in Vemdalen:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o15/

Ian

Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: haney on Thursday 11 July 19 00:22 BST (UK)
HI Ian thanks for that!  Can you make out the word just before Signe's name please.  So this marriage took place basically in her home town then.  Interesting.  Many thanks once again. Dianna
Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 11 July 19 00:26 BST (UK)
Snickaren Bror August Hallgren och Pigan Sigrin Olofsdotter i Grafven.

Carpenter Bror August Hallgren and farm maid Sigrin Olofsdotter in Grafven.

Ian

Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: haney on Thursday 11 July 19 00:41 BST (UK)
Thank you!!  From the records I have (tried!) to look at she seems to be working on a neighbours farm.  Will have to get my Swedish map out I think and check out their movements.  Regards Dianna
Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 11 July 19 09:27 BST (UK)

So this marriage took place basically in her home town then.  Interesting.


It was very common back then that they married in the bride's parish.


Ian

Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: haney on Thursday 11 July 19 21:56 BST (UK)
Thanks for that.  Now I'm trying to find a "better" copy of Brita Katrina HALLGRENS death certificate.  Are the death certificates available online do you know.

 Many thanks Dianna
Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: haney on Thursday 11 July 19 22:20 BST (UK)
HI Ian sorry just found the death record you sent previously. Could you please tell me what it say's in the last column for Brita!!  Seems the copy I have printed out here is a bit different to the one you provided not sure why??

Here is Brita's death record from Järvsö 27 Nov 1869:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw6/

Translation:
Hallgren Brita Katrina, daughter to carpenter Hallgren and his wife Olsdotter Sigrin in Kyrkbyn i Nr. 3

She died of peritonitis
Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 11 July 19 23:38 BST (UK)

Could you please tell me what it say's in the last column for Brita!!


Betyg af den 18 Dec om döds och begrafningsdagen kom från Pastorn Erik? i Söderhamn den 21 Dec 1869

Certificate dated 18 Dec of the death and burial day from Priest Erik? in Söderhamn dated 21 Dec 1869

Ian




Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: haney on Thursday 11 July 19 23:50 BST (UK)
Wonderful thank you.  I'll try and find SIGRID/SIGNE OLOFSDOTTER-HALLGREN death as well just out of curiosity.  Seems she died 22/3/1879, hope I have that correct.

Bror August Hallgren died 5/11/1877.  One day I will try and find the cemetery they are buried in just in case a trip to Sweden is on the cards.  Would like to visit them!!  Thanks Dianna
Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 11 July 19 23:58 BST (UK)
Here's her death record:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o1c/


Ian

Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 12 July 19 00:06 BST (UK)
Here is Bror August Hallgren's probate:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o1d/


Ian


Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: haney on Friday 12 July 19 00:15 BST (UK)
Thank you.  Does the page number 318 lead to any other information do you know re Sigrids death?
Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 12 July 19 00:30 BST (UK)
Here's page 318:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o1e/


Ian


Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: haney on Friday 12 July 19 00:59 BST (UK)
Okay got it have seen this before, you most probably sent it to me!!!  Is the person below Bror Olof HALLGREN his wife?? Or is this some other person. JOHANNA ?  I see the abbreviation Piga?? think that means "Maiden/servant" something like that.  Regards and thanks Dianna
Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 12 July 19 12:01 BST (UK)
This Johanna Wärme wasn't his wife. She lived with them as a "piga". She was a "bagerska" a baker which has been crossed out.

Explanation for "piga" using Google translate:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o1j/


Ian




Title: Re: Karl Frederik HALLGREN - Sweden
Post by: haney on Friday 12 July 19 20:07 BST (UK)
Hi Ian thanks for that link/explanation.  Makes the research just that bit more interesting really.  I was trying to find the family Bror August Hallgren and the Olofsson's (Signe Olofsdotter) on the early census re 1870 and earlier. 

I have only ever found KARL/CARL Frederik on the 1880 Census.  Karl isn't on the 1890 Census from what I have been told years ago.

Are all the census records available from the archives do you know.  How did you find your family on the early census'.  Kind regards Dianna