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Title: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: collinsdj953 on Tuesday 04 June 19 09:08 BST (UK)
Help, how do I find, how immigrants from County Fermanagh Ireland, got to Glasgow Scotland, to get on Ship, to Australia, in 1841?
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Skoosh on Tuesday 04 June 19 09:28 BST (UK)
A steamboat to Greenock to take ship or picked up in Northern Ireland en-route.

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 04 June 19 09:33 BST (UK)
Walked, or took Barge or Coach to Belfast, boat to Glasgow.
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: collinsdj953 on Tuesday 04 June 19 09:41 BST (UK)
Would there be any records that I could search to find out how and why Immigrants had to go to Glasgow for the Ship :)
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Skoosh on Tuesday 04 June 19 09:55 BST (UK)
Emigrant ships generally sailed from the Tail o the Bank, so Greenock,  Glasgow was 26 miles up-river. Whether the online archive of the Greenock Telegraph might help?

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 04 June 19 18:30 BST (UK)
Irish Toolkit https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com
Heading Genealogy > Emigration. Includes Irish immigration to Britain and routes. 1st steam-packet between Belfast and Glasgow was 1818.
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 04 June 19 18:32 BST (UK)
Walked, or took Barge or Coach to Belfast, boat to Glasgow.
Or got a lift on a cart?

Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Skoosh on Tuesday 04 June 19 21:41 BST (UK)
 The upper Clyde was very difficult for sea-going ships, hence the origin of Port Glasgow where Henry Bell had the Comet built in 1812 & started the worlds first steamer service. Glasgow had a regular steamer service to Greenock plus the railway which opened in 1841.

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 05 June 19 00:13 BST (UK)
Individuals or small groups could be sponsored by people in Australia. Ships were chartered by an agent in U.K. People applied to an agent to fill up a ship.
("Assisted and Bounty Immigrants" by Jenny Joyce www.unlockthepast.com.au)

According to "Australia's Early Immigration Schemes - The Bounty Scheme" a fault of the scheme was that not many settlers could afford to pay agents in U.K. to act for them and the system soon fell into the hands of the ship owners or of speculators. www.angelfire.com/al/aslc/immigration.html
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 05 June 19 01:20 BST (UK)
Walked, or took Barge or Coach to Belfast, boat to Glasgow.
Or got a lift on a cart?
Another form of transport in 19th-century Ireland was provided by Charles Bianconi's cars (horse-drawn).
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: majm on Wednesday 05 June 19 04:14 BST (UK)
Search for the following scholarly article, about 20 A4 pages ...
The Great Emigration of 1841: Recruitment for New South Wales in British Emigration Fields
John McDonald  & Eric Richards


A summary:

In 1841 the colony of New South Wales offered an unprecedented number of heavily subsidised passages to British emigrants. It sought specific categories, particularly single young women, domestic servants, and agricultural labourers. The colony preferred English and Scottish rural immigrants. New South Wales attracted one fifth of all emigrants from the British Isles in 1841, but its selections were strongly biased towards southern Ireland. ......... The immigration of 1841 was a turning point for Australia: it was the largest recruitment before the gold rushes of the 1850s and already signalled some of the main characteristics of Australian immigration history.

JM
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 05 June 19 10:46 BST (UK)
Have you searched eppi ?

You get the likes of
http://www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/12245
Emigration: papers relative to emigration to the Australian colonies

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http://www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/12217

he House of Lords Select Committee was appointed to investigate whether the social condition of Ireland could be improved by the emigration of Irish people to British colonies like Australia, South Africa and North America. The report contains the minutes.......



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Source  HC
Paper No    593
Title Actual
    Colonization from Ireland: second report from the Select Committee of the House of Lords on Colonization from Ireland together with the further minutes of evidence
http://www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/12218

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Colonization from Ireland: first report from the Select Committee of the House of Lords on Colonization from Ireland together with the minutes of evidence

Tables: (i) return showing the general condition of South Australia in the years 1840 and 1845; (ii) emigration in 1847, from those ports of the United Kingdom at which government emigration officers are stationed; and (iii) memorandum of particulars....

http://www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/12217
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 05 June 19 16:01 BST (UK)
A brief historical background.
"Timelines of the Irish Famine - Ireland before the Famine"
1833 A Royal Commission appointed to enquire into conditions of the poorer classes. Undertook 3 year survey. Estimated over 2 million people were out of work and needing assistance for 30 weeks a year. Commission recommended encouragement of emigration and a scheme of economic development.
1838 Irish Poor Law Act, prompted by fears that unemployed Irish would flood Britain and increase poverty in that country. Irish Poor Law didn't provide outdoor relief or guarantee right to relief.
1840 Industry developing slowly in east of Ireland. Thomas Malthus, economist, commented that rural Ireland was overpopulated and that "a great part of the population should be swept from the soil".
1841 Ireland census:
 Population 8 million, an increase of 50% since 1801, although only 5.5% since 1831.
Ireland in general was not industrialising; labour force in industry was 28% compared with 43% in 1821, while rural workforce increased by 50%.
www.irishhistorian.com/IrishFamineTimeline.html
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Skoosh on Wednesday 05 June 19 17:29 BST (UK)
The richest empire the world had ever seen! a century or so later the empire was toast!

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: collinsdj953 on Thursday 06 June 19 07:10 BST (UK)
Excellent, thank you all very much, I have enough to keep me going for a bit. :)
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 06 June 19 15:48 BST (UK)
Someone on WikiTree has recently started a section for bounty and assisted immigrants to Australia.
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: collinsdj953 on Saturday 08 June 19 07:40 BST (UK)
Good site, I have been trying to get into it. Thank you :)
Title: Re: Bounty system immigrants from county Femanagh ireland
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 08 June 19 19:16 BST (UK)
There may have been notices in Irish newspapers.