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Hi there can you please help me im trying to find the year that ann allton died and the same for Wilfred thompson they are my great great grand parents they got married in 1884 and had my great nan Sarah Ann Thompson who married my great grandfather William hanbridge.
I can't seem to find the year that they died so I be great full for some help
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Hi there can you please help me im trying to find the year that ann allton died and the same for Wilfred thompson they are my great great grand parents they got married in 1884 and had my great nan Sarah Ann Thompson who married my great grandfather William hambridge.
I can't seem to find the year that they died so I be great full for some help
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Have you found them in 1911, and, if so, where were they - to give us some indication of where to look?
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Have you found them in 1911, and, if so, where were they - to give us some indication of where to look?
hi Wilfred Thompson was meant to be born 1862 and Ann allton was meant to be born 1862 and apparently they got married on June 2 1884 and they went on to have Sarah Ann Thompson born 1886 until 1947 she married William hambridge June 10 1910 William hambridge was born 1883 and died 1964.
That's all the information I have on the Thompson and allton family.
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To help with the search (from GRO Index):
Birth Jun qtr 1885 Tamworth vol 6b p441 - Sarah Ann THOMPSON mmn ALLTON.
This gives a birth area for Sarah Ann which may help find the parents 1891-1911 to get an idea of birthplaces and last found addresses.
Philip
ADDED - the Jun qtr 1884 wedding of Alfred THOMPSON and Ann ALLTON was also in Tamworth.
The closest Ann ALLTON birth was registered in Sep qtr 1866 Meriden, Warwickshire.
The closest Jun qtr 1862 John THOMPSON birth was in Coventry (or John Joseph in Kings Norton or John Lilas in Congleton).
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' Sarah Ann Thompson born 1886 until 1947 she married William hambridge June 10 1910 '
What is her Father's occupation on the marriage certificate, and/or is he deceased?
If you have not got the marriage certificate you need to buy it to check it is the correct family and to get clues as to her Father.
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To help with the search (from GRO Index):
Birth Jun qtr 1885 Tamworth vol 6b p441 - Sarah Ann THOMPSON mmn Allton. But on my great grand nan Sarah Ann Thompson marriage certificate it gives her fathers name as Wilfred Thompson a coal miner and William hambridge father as Thomas hambridge as they married in the Coventry area 10 of June 1910
This gives a birth area for Sarah Ann which may help find the parents 1891-1911 to get an idea of birthplaces and last found addresses.
Philip
ADDED - the Jun qtr 1884 wedding of Alfred THOMPSON and Ann ALLTON was also in Tamworth.
The closest Ann ALLTON birth was registered in Sep qtr 1866 Meriden, Warwickshire.
The closest Jun qtr 1862 John THOMPSON birth was in Coventry (or John Joseph in Kings Norton or John Lilas in Congleton).
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To help with the search (from GRO Index):
Birth Jun qtr 1885 Tamworth vol 6b p441 - Sarah Ann THOMPSON mmn Allton. But on my great grand nan Sarah Ann Thompson marriage certificate it g
This gives a birth area for Sarah Ann which may help find the parents 1891-1911 to get an idea of birthplaces and last found addresses.
Philip
ADDED - the Jun qtr 1884 wedding of Alfred THOMPSON and Ann ALLTON was also in Tamworth.
The closest Ann ALLTON birth was registered in Sep qtr 1866 Meriden, Warwickshire.
The closest Jun qtr 1862 John THOMPSON birth was in Coventry (or John Joseph in Kings Norton or John Lilas in Congleton).
But on my great grand nan Sarah Ann Thompson marriage certificate it gives her fathers name as Wilfred Thompson a coal miner and William hambridge father as Thomas hambridge as they married in the Coventry area 10 of June 1910
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To help with the search (from GRO Index):
Birth Jun qtr 1885 Tamworth vol 6b p441 - Sarah Ann THOMPSON mmn Allton.
This gives a birth area for Sarah Ann which may help find the parents 1891-1911 to get an idea of birthplaces and last found addresses.
Philip
ADDED - the Jun qtr 1884 wedding of Alfred THOMPSON and Ann ALLTON was also in Tamworth.
The closest Ann ALLTON birth was registered in Sep qtr 1866 Meriden, Warwickshire.
The closest Jun qtr 1862 John THOMPSON birth was in Coventry (or John Joseph in Kings Norton or John Lilas in Congleton).
But on my great grand nan Sarah Ann Thompson marriage certificate it gives her fathers name as Wilfred Thompson a coal miner and William hambridge father as Thomas hambridge as they married in the Coventry area 10 of June 1910
My mistake (a "senior moment"!) The 1884 groom was Wilfred THOMPSON not Alfred.
If Sarah Ann's father on her marriage cert is given as Wilfred Thompson, coal miner and he is not described as "deceased" this suggests he was still alive in 1910. I had a quick skim through census transcripts and BMDs on FamilySearch and FreeReg but didn't see an obvious entry for Wilfred - I will keep hunting.
Philip
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To help with the search (from GRO Index):
Birth Jun qtr 1885 Tamworth vol 6b p441 - Sarah Ann THOMPSON mmn Allton.
This gives a birth area for Sarah Ann which may help find the parents 1891-1911 to get an idea of birthplaces and last found addresses.
Philip
ADDED - the Jun qtr 1884 wedding of Alfred THOMPSON and Ann ALLTON was also in Tamworth.
The closest Ann ALLTON birth was registered in Sep qtr 1866 Meriden, Warwickshire.
The closest Jun qtr 1862 John THOMPSON birth was in Coventry (or John Joseph in Kings Norton or John Lilas in Congleton).
But on my great grand nan Sarah Ann Thompson marriage certificate it gives her fathers name as Wilfred Thompson a coal miner and William hambridge father as Thomas hambridge as they married in the Coventry area 10 of June 1910
My mistake (a "senior moment"!) The 1884 groom was Wilfred THOMPSON not Alfred.
If Sarah Ann's father on her marriage cert is given as Wilfred Thompson, coal miner and he is not described as "deceased" this suggests he was still alive in 1910. I had a quick skim through census transcripts and BMDs on FamilySearch and FreeReg but didn't see an obvious entry for Wilfred - I will keep hunting.
Philip
sorry I tried up loading the marriage certificate of Sarah Ann Thompson and William hambridge but it wouldn't let me. I will give it another try later on x.
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Is this the family in 1901?
Wilfred Thompson 40 Witherley, Warwickshire
Ann Thompson 38 Chapel End, Warwickshire
Sarah Thompson 15 Wilnecote
So what birth years/registrations have you found for Wilfred Thompson and Ann Allton to fit?
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Possibility?
Deaths December quarter 1935
Wilfred Thompson age 73 at Nuneaton (6d 716)
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Is this the family in 1901?
Wilfred Thompson 40 Witherley, Warwickshire
Ann Thompson 38 Chapel End, Warwickshire
Sarah Thompson 15 Wilnecote
So what birth years/registrations have you found for Wilfred Thompson and Ann Allton to fit?
I camed across birth year 1862 for both Ann and Wilfred Thompson on myHeritage and findmypast and when I put down month June 1884 for marriage I camed across the fathers names Thomas Thompson and Henry Thompson as back then my family was boat travelers traveling from Birmingham to Brentford on the canal.
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A tree on Ancestry has Wilfred's death as 28/12/1935 Nuneaton, and Ann's death as 11/12/1938 Nuneaton.
Wilfred's birth entry in GRO index is as Will Fred Thompson in June quarter 1862 Atherstone - mmn Marshall. Mothers name on birth entries for some of his siblings varies as Murrhall/Murshell but tree on Ancestry shows his mother as Mary Morhall.
Annette
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'I camed across birth year 1862 for both Ann and Wilfred Thompson on myHeritage and findmypast '
In that census I posted the ages are 2 years apart, though the ages could be wrong for a variety of reasons.
The ages are claimed on myheritage and findmypast from someone else's tree?
Where have you looked for the actual birth registrations?
'June 1884 for marriage I camed across the fathers names Thomas Thompson and Henry Thompson as back then my family was boat travelers traveling from Birmingham to Brentford on the canal.' Wilfred was a coalminer.
Does it say that they (his Father etc) were travellers on any census? Both parents surnames Thompson??
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'I camed across birth year 1862 for both Ann and Wilfred Thompson on myHeritage and findmypast '
In that census I posted the ages are 2 years apart, though the ages could be wrong for a variety of reasons.
The ages are claimed on myheritage and findmypast from someone else's tree?
Where have you looked for the actual birth registrations?
'June 1884 for marriage I camed across the fathers names Thomas Thompson and Henry Thompson as back then my family was boat travelers traveling from Birmingham to Brentford on the canal.' Wilfred was a coalminer.
Does it say that they (his Father etc) were travellers on any census? Both parents surnames Thompson??
all of my family was coal miners and boatman that's all I no.
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A tree on Ancestry has Wilfred's death as 28/12/1935 Nuneaton, and Ann's death as 11/12/1938 Nuneaton.
Wilfred's birth entry in GRO index is as Will Fred Thompson in June quarter 1862 Atherstone - mmn Marshall. Mothers name on birth entries for some of his siblings varies as Murrhall/Murshell but tree on Ancestry shows his mother as Mary Morhall.
Annette
thank you I camed across the year 1938 for ann allton but I wasn't to sure to be honest. But what I have been thinking about is where did the surname allton come from.
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'all of my family was coal miners and boatman that's all I no.'
Have you found Ann Allton with her parents on any census?
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? 1871 census
William Allton Head Male 50 Miner Hartshill, Warwickshire
Elizabeth Allton Wife Female 38 Ribbon Weaver Nuneaton, Warwickshire
Henry Allton Son Male 11 Hartshill, Warwickshire
Ann Allton Daughter Female 9 Hartshill, Warwickshire
Joseph Allton Son Male 5 Hartshill, Warwickshire
Jacob Allton Son Male 4 Hartshill, Warwickshire
Ellena? Emma? Allton Daughter Female 1 Hartshill, Warwickshire
You need to get the original 1884 marriage certificate for her to confirm this census and check what her father's name is.
This might be birth for brother Jacob, for a different spelling of surname
Jacob Orton mmn Finch
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in ATHERSTONE Volume 06D Page 400
and this might be sister Emma
Emma Allton mmn Finch
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in ATHERSTONE Volume 06D Page 370
and this brother Henry
Henry Horton mmn Finch
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in ATHERSTONE Volume 06D Page 342
giving the spellings Allton and Orton and Horton .
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I believe that Ann Allton's father dies in 1877 and her mother (Elizabeth Finch/Allton) then marries a Mr Thompson, which gives the explanation/strange entry on Ann's marriage for her 'father'.
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possible 1881 census (on familysearch):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-KRW5
and on Ancestry:
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7572&h=22739300&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Lhs811&_phstart=successSource
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there is this tree on familysearch:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:948K-YG3
This family possibly in the 1881 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27X-TRS6