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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: ainslie on Wednesday 05 June 19 11:57 BST (UK)
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The wedding group on the attached c de v is in an album where very few are named, but some are dated 1861. This bears the imprint of Henry Sampson, Photographer, Southport.
Opinions on the group are invited. Was it common to held several weddings, or receptions, together?
The album belonged to my gt-grandfather George H Daglish who lived at Wigan at the time, and worked at St Helens.
Thanks
Ainslie
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I wonder if it was some religious sect where multiple weddings took place?
Perhaps Mormons.?
Are you aware of the religious persuasion?
If it was a society wedding there could have been quite a number of Bridesmaids.So not all the ladies would be brides ,yet they do seem to be wearing veils.
Best of luck with your enquiries.
Viktoria.
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Thanks for comments. I’m sure there were no unorthodox religions in the family and have only C of E ceremonies on record.
Scarcity of bridesmaids noted, good point.
This may not relate to my family at all, as I have been told that it was common practice to exchange cards.
A
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Can't answer the question except to say it seems unlikely to be 1861 :-\
- I don't think photography was advanced enough for this type of photo in 1861.
Wiggy
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Just before I read Wiggy’s post I was looking at American Civil War photographs,they were very clear.1861-1865.
The big crinoline was in fashion at that time and also before.
Queen Victoria’s wedding photo shows her wearing a smallish one.
That was the late 1830’s/ early 1840’s.
The Great Exhibition was 1851 and she was wearing one on the official photograph.
The style did vary through the years.
It is a mystery why so many brides on one photograph.
Viktoria.
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Goodness me; this is very intriguing! I agree that all the ladies look like brides -- don't think any of them are bridesmaids, because of the veils; and, to point out the obvious, there are the correct number of grooms standing around to match the brides. But why on earth would you have so many of them together at one time?
How big is the original photo? I have never come upon a carte de visit that was not a studio portrait before. Anyway, I shall continue to follow this thread with interest!
CELTICANNIE
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It might only be one wedding. I’m thinking it is of the couple in the middle standing side-by-side; with the couples either side of them the man is standing behind his partner.
In some 1860s weddings the bridesmaids were dressed in white, often with veils.
As you can see from the building behind the party, this would have been a very substantial family, which would have been able to go to the considerable expense of bringing a photographer to their home.
If you do a bit of googling you can find other wedding photos like this (but I haven’t found another quite as grand) taken in the 1860s.
Peter
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There are a number of weddings in the 1860-s reported in the newspapers with twelve (which is what I have counted) bridesmaids. But I cannot see any that would have been likely to have a Southport photographer unless he travelled to London or Ireland especially.
One of them I think was this woman. Photo here dated 1861
https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp95022/lady-mary-catherine-henrietta-aldworth-nee-bernard
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Amazing photograph!
As well as those at the front there seem to be more wearing veils or head-dresses towards the back of the group (and a little one on the far left) ... it is unclear if they are also wearing wedding dresses, though the majority of the women in the photo seem to be. :)
I wonder if it could be an extreme interpretation of dressing the bridesmaids the same as the bride to confuse evil spirits, wife thieves or jealous suitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridesmaid (see 'origin and history')
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Interesting comments, thank you all. Most other photos in the album are portraits but there are a few scenes: seaside, Runcorn railway bridge, among them.
A
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Is it possible to remove the photo without damaging it and scan the back, please.
Gadget
PS - also, it would be helpful to see the full image, including the edges, please.
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My initial impression was that t could be early 1870s but I agree with Gadget, we need to see the back. Are the corners of the image rounded or straight cut Ainslie?
Carol
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Looks alright for 1861, superb photograph.
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There is an article here about early Victorian weddings. There is a picture showing a bride and bridesmaids all wearing veils. It wont let me copy it I'm afraid. It does say it was the fashion for brides and bridesmaids to wear white and to all wear veils. http://www.angelpig.net/victorian/weddingattire.html
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Card safely extracted and scanned, both sides. Straight cut - no signs of trimming.
I have cropped outside the margins of the card in each case. I have pencilled my own code on the reverse- this was not on the original.
A
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That's a great link Pat....If was 1861 I would have expected to see more beards, having said that...viewed in Photoshop, the women appear to be showing their ears which began to be fashionable from the early 1860s.
Great image.
Added...Just seen your image....the straight cut corners were phased out in the early 1870s to make way for the rounded corners to enable them to fit better into Cdv albums. So late 1860s and possibly into the early 1870s looks to be about right. The back looks too fancy to be early 1860s in my view.
Carol
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I think the re-scanned group photo did not appear with my last post, but after a few tribulations in reducing it to fit, here it should be.
A
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Just returned. I'd say 1865-early 1870s too. As Carol says, ears started to show with the younger women circa mid-1860s but the back looks nearer early 1870s.
Gadget
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looks like an 1860's photo reprinted 1870's.
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Nice one Jim :D
Carol
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saw your intrest in a eustace ainslie pst years ago who i am related to, am wondering how are we related
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Hello Henrik and welcome to the forum.
I am distantly related to those Ainslies named in the other post though my mother, and have a common ancestor with them in Montague A.
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Ainslie
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I find this website complicated, would it be better if I emailed you?
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Carol
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I know this is a bit late, but this photo of a wedding has just been posted on my local group in Lancaster. It is of a wedding between to local well known families taken in 1872. There is a very flowery description of the event and it seems the bride and the bridesmaids all wore white and the bridesmaids all wore tulle veils. What is interesting that the two child bridesmaids were wearing veils.
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I had a look for prominent marriages in the early 1860s in Southport. I found three, two where sisters and the write ups in the paper didn’t have enough bridesmaids. The third I found a photo of the family residence and it wasn’t the house in the photo.
I ‘ll come forward from 1862 and see if I can find any others.
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Thanks for your continuing interest. Any clues welcome!
A