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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Treetotal on Wednesday 05 June 19 13:32 BST (UK)
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Would love to hear your opinions on what this ladies group could be please. The postcard is dated 1936 and I have included the back. There is a Reuben James Stone at Tan House in 1911 with his wife Eliza and Daughter Esther.
It's a lovely image that I would like to share if I can find out a bit more about the photo.
Thanks for looking.
Carol
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...and here is the address.
Carol
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Intriguing photo Carol. What strikes me is that there are so many of them.
At this stage my mind is a blank as to what the group would be though ....
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Looks like a Girls School photo?
What's the place name after Tan House as I'm on a laptop I can't yet work to turn it round ;D
Edit...It was flipped while I was typing...sorry!
Annie
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The Tan House is a listed building: :)
https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101099861-the-tan-house-fownhope#.XPe4lRYzaUk
Related to tanning it seems:
https://sites.google.com/site/fownhopevillage/village-history
It's on Ferry Lane, but unsure exactly where:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=52.0077&lon=-2.6176&layers=168&right=BingHyb
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The Tan House is a listed building: :)
https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101099861-the-tan-house-fownhope#.XPe4lRYzaUk
Related to tanning it seems:
https://sites.google.com/site/fownhopevillage/village-history
Yes I have seen that thanks Ruskie :)
Carol
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Looks like a Girls School photo?
What's the place name after Tan House as I'm on a laptop I can't yet work to turn it round ;D
Edit...It's was flipped while I was typing...sorry!
Annie
Yes I wonder about that or a choir...thanks for your interest Rosie.
Carol
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The ladies at the front centre are wearing academic gowns - so I agree with the suggestion that it is a girls' school (or college).
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From the Internet
Fownhope is a village in Herefordshire, England, an area of outstanding natural beauty on the banks of the River Wye. The population of the village at the 2011 Census was 999. The village has a church, St. Mary's Parish Church; primary school, St. Mary's C of E Primary School; medical centre, Fownhope Medical Centre; two pubs.
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Reuben James Stone had married Eliza Frances Samuell, Jun qtr 1907 Hereford.
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On google street view you can see the house is named. :)
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From the Internet
Fownhope is a village in Herefordshire, England, an area of outstanding natural beauty on the banks of the River Wye. The population of the village at the 2011 Census was 999. The village has a church, St. Mary's Parish Church; primary school, St. Mary's C of E Primary School; medical centre, Fownhope Medical Centre; two pubs.
Thanks for that interesting info Barry, I recently bought this in Hay on Wye but didn't see Fownhope :D
Carol
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Can you find the girls who wrote the postcard, possibly in the 1911 census?
Names look to be Gwladys? and Beat... something? Unusual enough names perhaps?
The occupations or addresses might help. :-\
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Eliza Frances Stone nee Samuell (the recipient) was born in Blackheath, Kent on 26 Feb 1878 but by 1901 was in Fownhope with an aunt - Harriet Samuel, licensed victualler at the Green Man public house.
I suggest this may be a photograph of her schooldays there, sent in reminiscence by schoolfriends Gwladys and Beatrice/Beatrix years later.
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Can you find the girls who wrote the postcard, possibly in the 1911 census?
Names look to be Gwladys? and Beat... something? Unusual enough names perhaps?
The occupations or addresses might help. :-\
That would be difficult without the surnames at the moment. Reuben and Eliza only had one Daughter Esther at the time of the 1911 census so more research is needed there. I have contacted a tree owner who have the Family at that address in 1911.
Thanks again.
Carol
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Eliza Frances Stone nee Samuell (the recipient) was born in Blackheath, Kent on 26 Feb 1878 but by 1901 was in Fownhope with an aunt.
I suggest this is likely to be a photograph of her schooldays there, sent in reminiscence by schoolfriends Gwladys and Beatrice/Beatrix years later.
I thought it would be the next generation as it is post dated 1936 but i am open to suggestions :)
Thanks again.
Carol
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1901 census shows sisters Gwladys Marshall (c1887) and Beatrice Marshall (c1889) living in Fownhope.
RG13/2478/31/4.
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1901 census shows sisters Gwladys Marshall (c1887) and Beatrice Marshall (c1889) living in Fownhope.
RG13/2478/31/4.
Excellent. I was hoping that Gwladys might be unusual enough to find without a surname. :)
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Gwladys Marshall was born 7 April 1886 and became a teacher.
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Gwladys Marshall was born 7 April 1886 and became a teacher.
WoW!!!...That was quick. Wonderful research 8)...that is brilliant, thanks so much!!
Carol
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Beatrice Marshall married Albert Daniel Rowberry, Dec qtr 1920 Hereford, and died 6 July 1964.
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Beatrice Marshall married Albert Daniel Rowberry, Dec qtr 1920 Hereford, and died 6 July 1964.
I guess that Eliza must have also been known as Lilie!
You are so good at this, thanks so much :-*
Carol
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The Marshall girls were daughters of Joseph Booth Marshall (a schoolmaster) and Emily.
The Marshalls' address in 1901 was "The Schools", Fownhope, so perhaps there was a boys' and a girls' school - the latter appearing in the photograph?
If Gwladys and Beatrice were daughters of a staff member/proprietor that may explain why they had access in the 1930s to old photographs of the school.
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Excellent work avm! :)
So might this group be graduates rather than teachers at one school. (surely too many to all be teaching at the same school).
It would be interesting to work out what the institution was to see if the building still exists today.
I thought in that era there were "pupil teachers" who learned 'on the job' in the classroom, rather than attending a specific teacher training college. (or was it a combination of both?)
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As an alternative might they have attended Hereford College of Education, founded in 1902, an all female teacher training college for most of its existence?
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I was thinking they were (mostly) pupils rather than teachers - the teachers being the ones in the academic gowns.
In other words the secondary-age young ladies of Fownhope c1900 - including somewhere in there Eliza, Gwladys and Beatrice ("can you see us?" as the postcard says).
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I was thinking they were (mostly) pupils rather than teachers - the teachers being the ones in the academic gowns.
In other words the secondary-age young ladies of Fownhope c1900 - including somewhere in there Eliza, Gwladys and Beatrice ("can you see us?" as the postcard says).
I think you are right avm. :)
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Eliza Frances Stone nee Samuell (the recipient) was born in Blackheath, Kent on 26 Feb 1878 but by 1901 was in Fownhope with an aunt - Harriet Samuel, licensed victualler at the Green Man public house.
I suggest this is may be a photograph of her schooldays there, sent in reminiscence by schoolfriends Gwladys and Beatrice/Beatrix years later.
So Mrs. Samuel as mentioned in the message was Eliza's Aunt so a good clue.
Carol
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I was thinking they were (mostly) pupils rather than teachers - the teachers being the ones in the academic gowns.
In other words the secondary-age young ladies of Fownhope c1900 - including somewhere in there Eliza, Gwladys and Beatrice ("can you see us?" as the postcard says).
I have to admit that the 10+ year gap in age between Eliza and Beatrice makes this rather tricky, as they wouldn't have overlapped much at school age - and the range in ages covered by the photo is hard to discern but seems more senior than junior, in educational terms.
So perhaps it is a college of some sort after all. Presumably the photo is dated before 1907, when Eliza married.
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Eliza may be a teacher and Gwladys and Beatrice are students? (or am I confused about who is what age?) :)
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Hereford photographer, Hereford postmark. I am wondering if it might be Hereford Ladies College.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7067214
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I was thinking they were (mostly) pupils rather than teachers - the teachers being the ones in the academic gowns.
In other words the secondary-age young ladies of Fownhope c1900 - including somewhere in there Eliza, Gwladys and Beatrice ("can you see us?" as the postcard says).
I have to admit that the 9-year gap in age between Eliza and Beatrice makes this rather tricky, as they wouldn't have overlapped much at school age - and the range in ages covered by the photo is hard to discern but seems more senior than junior.
So perhaps it is a college of some sort after all. Presumably the photo is dated before 1907, when Eliza married.
Having looked more closely at the photo some of the hairstyles appear to be Edwardian...so much earlier than the postmark.
Carol
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This looks like the building - now part of the Royal National College for the Blind, formerly a teacher's training college.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Royal_National_College_-_Hereford.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_National_College_for_the_Blind
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As an alternative might they have attended Hereford College of Education, founded in 1902, an all female teacher training college for most of its existence?
Thanks for that Jen...That's a really strong possibility 8) they do look a more like students than pupils.
Carol
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I'm sure Jen has it - it is Hereford College of Education, the building now occupied by the Royal National College for the Blind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereford_College_of_Education
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I'm sure Jen has it - it is Hereford College of Education, the building now occupied by the Royal National College for the Blind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereford_College_of_Education
Yes - brilliant :)
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I'm sure Jen has it - it is Hereford College of Education, the building now occupied by the Royal National College for the Blind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereford_College_of_Education
Thanks for that Shaun...I had just found it after Jen's suggestion...I am having trouble posting as the response has been exceptional :o
Carol
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Originally "Hereford Traning College" by the looks of it - the first teacher-training college set up by a local education authority in the country.
Hereford Training College
It has been definitely decided to open the Hereford County College as a training college for female teachers in September next, the Herefordshire County Education Committee having received the provisional sanction of the Board of Education to the establishment of the same.
Gloucestershire Echo, 24 February 1904.
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Originally "Hereford Traning College" by the looks of it - the first teacher-training college set up by a local education authority in the country.
Hereford Training College
It has been definitely decided to open the Hereford County College as a training college for female teachers in September next, the Herefordshire County Education Committee having received the provisional sanction of the Board of Education to the establishment of the same.
Gloucestershire Echo, 24 February 1904.
That's brilliant...thanks you so much for all your help, it's much appreciated, you are so much quicker than me :D
I will refer the tree owner to this forum when/if she gets in touch ;)
Carol
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Are you sure about postmark date?
Looks like an Edward VII Halfpenny so 1901-10 for the stamp and the Halfpenny postcard rate suggests its pre 1918 when the rate was increased to 1d.
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You are correct...on close inspection. the date is 1906 ::) Thanks for that...it's not that clear with the naked eye so pleased that you pointed it out. I did say earlier that the hair styles looked more Edwardian....I need to go to Specsavers ::) ;D ;D ;D
Carol
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Well that’s odd! Reuben and Eliza didn’t marry until 1907; he doesn’t seem to have been married before, and the reference to Mrs Samuel suggests Eliza née Samuel(l) was the recipient ???
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What do you think...08?
Carol
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It's blurry but my immediate response was 06.
Gadget
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I haven't read right through,but my immediate thought was a YWCA group.
Regards
Roger
I have read through now-silly me.
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It's blurry but my immediate response was 06.
Gadget
I see it as 06 too but it's not that clear so it could be a smudged 08
Thanks - Carol
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It's blurry but my immediate response was 06.
Ditto
Annie
Add...Great work all, well done!
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Isn't that a George V stamp:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/Superb-Great-Britain-George-V-Stamps/3509/bn_89165400
Scroll down a few!
His dates were 1910-1936
Added - now think it's his Pa!
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Edward V11 looks similar though :-\
https://www.stamp-exchange.co.uk/catalogue/king_edward_vii_1901-1910.htm
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Thanks Gadget...I think it is Edward the V11
Carol