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Title: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Wexflyer on Thursday 06 June 19 04:33 BST (UK)
When are we getting the rest? !!

Looking back, last summer (2018), Clare Santry was telling us she had good and bad news:
The bad: The GRO update was going to be delayed until November 2018  >:(
The good: Going to be a complete update of all outstanding material!  :o

Well, the update just happened (June, 2019), a year (or more?) late. And it is not a complete update. Still to be released are pre-1864 marriages, and pre-1878 deaths.

Anyone hear anything? 

I want to get a return on all my overpaid taxes!

We wants it! Precious!



Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Guy Etchells on Thursday 06 June 19 07:54 BST (UK)
Are you referring to the online GRO indexes?

They currently include -
Births 1837 to 1918 it seems the GRO are classing births over 100 years old as Historic
Deaths 1837 to 1957 it seems the GRO are classing births over 161 years old as Historic but this is due to the Dove Project (Digitisation of Vital Events) only digitised death records to 1957

Marriages were not digitised under the Dove project and are therefore not offerred as PDF files.

I also note they now supply a Multilingual Standard Form as an option which I had not noticed before.

Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Wexflyer on Thursday 06 June 19 08:25 BST (UK)
Are you referring to the online GRO indexes?

They currently include -
Births 1837 to 1918 it seems the GRO are classing births over 100 years old as Historic
Deaths 1837 to 1957 it seems the GRO are classing births over 161 years old as Historic but this is due to the Dove Project (Digitisation of Vital Events) only digitised death records to 1957

Marriages were not digitised under the Dove project and are therefore not offerred as PDF files.

I also note they now supply a Multilingual Standard Form as an option which I had not noticed before.

Cheers
Guy

Methinks you have the wrong GRO.
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 06 June 19 10:54 BST (UK)
Sure is an 'Irish'  query... 


xin
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Guy Etchells on Thursday 06 June 19 12:06 BST (UK)
Are you referring to the online GRO indexes?

They currently include -
Births 1837 to 1918 it seems the GRO are classing births over 100 years old as Historic
Deaths 1837 to 1957 it seems the GRO are classing births over 161 years old as Historic but this is due to the Dove Project (Digitisation of Vital Events) only digitised death records to 1957

Marriages were not digitised under the Dove project and are therefore not offerred as PDF files.

I also note they now supply a Multilingual Standard Form as an option which I had not noticed before.

Cheers
Guy

Methinks you have the wrong GRO.

Yes, I click on the message rather than the board so missed it was a question on the Ireland (Historical Counties) board.

Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: what0101 on Monday 10 June 19 10:59 BST (UK)
Which years specifically were released in this update? I can't find a list of what was there previously.
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 10 June 19 11:21 BST (UK)

Which years specifically were released in this update? I can't find a list of what was there previously.


See
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/news/154-update-to-the-civil-records-3

KG
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: what0101 on Monday 10 June 19 12:10 BST (UK)

Which years specifically were released in this update? I can't find a list of what was there previously.


See
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/news/154-update-to-the-civil-records-3

KG

I saw that, but I'm still not clear which years were added compared to what was there before. Apologies if I'm being dense, I may need it spelled out for me.
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 10 June 19 13:35 BST (UK)
I was also trying to remember what was previously on the site to avoid duplicating earlier searches  :-\
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Maggsie on Monday 10 June 19 14:59 BST (UK)
I'm just glad it's free!
Maggsie
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: hallmark on Monday 10 June 19 15:11 BST (UK)
Not free...  Irish people have their Taxes used to pay for it!
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Maggsie on Monday 10 June 19 15:17 BST (UK)
Ok, Sorry, I do have an Income Tax Number in Ireland,  I will ask how much I should pay.
Maybe I should have said, it's a great site, as we don't pay for the records.
Maggsie

Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: hallmark on Monday 10 June 19 15:27 BST (UK)
 ;D  ;D
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: what0101 on Monday 10 June 19 16:50 BST (UK)
Which years specifically were released in this update? I can't find a list of what was there previously.

I've found the answer to my own question here (https://www.thejournal.ie/new-genealogy-irish-record-available-online-4666202-Jun2019/).

...births for 1917 and 1918, marriages from 1864 to 1869, 1942 and 1943 and deaths for 1967 and 1968
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 10 June 19 16:59 BST (UK)
Not free...  Irish people have their Taxes used to pay for it!

Very kind of you.
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Feichin on Monday 10 June 19 17:15 BST (UK)
I'm just glad it's free!
Maggsie

Well said. Totally agree with you.
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 10 June 19 17:41 BST (UK)
I'm just glad it's free!
Maggsie

Well said. Totally agree with you.

But is it value for money?
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Feichin on Monday 10 June 19 17:48 BST (UK)
I'm just glad it's free!
Maggsie

Well said. Totally agree with you.

But is it value for money?

What on earth are you talking about?
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: hallmark on Monday 10 June 19 18:37 BST (UK)
I'm just glad it's free!
Maggsie

Well said. Totally agree with you.

But is it value for money?

What on earth are you talking about?

The use of Irish taxpayers money to give records away for Free!
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 10 June 19 20:27 BST (UK)

The use of Irish taxpayers money to give records away for Free!

The Irish are a generous and kindly people, thank God!

Think of how things are in East Ireland, where you have to be rich to lookup GRO registrations.
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Feichin on Monday 10 June 19 20:45 BST (UK)
I'm just glad it's free!
Maggsie

Well said. Totally agree with you.

But is it value for money?

What on earth are you talking about?

The use of Irish taxpayers money to give records away for Free!

I am always at a loss when the term taxpayer is used. However that is a different matter. I will assume, if you will pardon that assumption, that you mean value for money for the state.

The Irish public service is obliged to abide by the rules and procedures set out in the Public Spending Code. The Government Accounting Unit of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform oversees the code. Anyone with concerns about a particular area of Government spending may address those concerns to that Unit.
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: hallmark on Monday 10 June 19 22:08 BST (UK)
I'm just glad it's free!
Maggsie

Well said. Totally agree with you.

But is it value for money?

What on earth are you talking about?

The use of Irish taxpayers money to give records away for Free!

I am always at a loss when the term taxpayer is used. However that is a different matter. I will assume, if you will pardon that assumption, that you mean value for money for the state.

The Irish public service is obliged to abide by the rules and procedures set out in the Public Spending Code. The Government Accounting Unit of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform oversees the code. Anyone with concerns about a particular area of Government spending may address those concerns to that Unit.

Indeed they can!
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 10 June 19 23:18 BST (UK)
The Irish are a generous and kindly people, thank God!

Think of how things are in East Ireland, where you have to be rich to lookup GRO registrations.

I'm still wondering about East Ireland   ???
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 10 June 19 23:20 BST (UK)
The Irish are a generous and kindly people, thank God!

Think of how things are in East Ireland, where you have to be rich to lookup GRO registrations.

I'm still wondering about East Ireland   ???

West Britain = Ireland

East Ireland = Britain
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 10 June 19 23:22 BST (UK)
Still doesn't make any sense  ::)
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 11 June 19 02:08 BST (UK)
The Irish are a generous and kindly people, thank God!

Think of how things are in East Ireland, where you have to be rich to lookup GRO registrations.

I'm still wondering about East Ireland   ???

West Britain = Ireland

East Ireland = Britain
;D    I'm a resident of North Britain. Fish swimming around Rockall are also claimed to be residents of North Britain. It is not the fish which are claiming citizenship, it is being claimed on their behalf.  If, however,  they can prove they had an Irish grandparent, they will be able to apply for an Irish passport. 
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: majm on Tuesday 11 June 19 04:27 BST (UK)

The use of Irish taxpayers money to give records away for Free!

The Irish are a generous and kindly people, thank God!

Think of how things are in East Ireland, where you have to be rich to lookup GRO registrations.

How rich do you have to be ?   :P
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: Wexflyer on Tuesday 11 June 19 06:25 BST (UK)

The use of Irish taxpayers money to give records away for Free!

The Irish are a generous and kindly people, thank God!

Think of how things are in East Ireland, where you have to be rich to lookup GRO registrations.

How rich do you have to be ?   :P

Rich enough to afford charges of £9 per PDF copy or 11 quid for paper, plus £3 more for index search, if reference not supplied!

I have looked up hundreds of relatives in the Irish records over the years (I visited and viewed original records in person before they put material online). Because of the lack of detail in the GRO indices, finding the right person often means looking at 10+ registrations.   That being so, I have looked at many thousands of registrations over the years.  To do that in England would cost 10s of thousands of pounds to do the same! Would not have been possible.
Title: Re: The Question That Dare Not Speak Its Name...
Post by: majm on Tuesday 11 June 19 08:51 BST (UK)

The use of Irish taxpayers money to give records away for Free!

The Irish are a generous and kindly people, thank God!

Think of how things are in East Ireland, where you have to be rich to lookup GRO registrations.

How rich do you have to be ?   :P

Rich enough to afford charges of £9 per PDF copy or 11 quid for paper, plus £3 more for index search, if reference not supplied!

I have looked up hundreds of relatives in the Irish records over the years (I visited and viewed original records in person before they put material online). Because of the lack of detail in the GRO indices, finding the right person often means looking at 10+ registrations.   That being so, I have looked at many thousands of registrations over the years.  To do that in England would cost 10s of thousands of pounds to do the same! Would not have been possible.

Thank you for explaining.

I am in New South Wales,  Australia.  Most of my migrating ancestors arrived here from Scotland, Ireland, France, Switzeeland, California,  New Zealand, back in late 1790s to 1840s,  so I have very little need for English GRO registrations. 


JM