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Title: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: Anne in OZ on Saturday 08 June 19 10:46 BST (UK)
Hi can any one please help with this address? I can read the Princess part but not the rest. Thanks.
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: mckha489 on Saturday 08 June 19 10:54 BST (UK)
Princess Helena, with two goes at Helena?
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: [Ray] on Saturday 08 June 19 10:59 BST (UK)


Could be "Holand"
Can you see page 1 of the census book and look at the description of the enumerator's walk?     
Or can you page back and forth . . . .
Does that give clues to the street names around it?
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: [Ray] on Saturday 08 June 19 11:01 BST (UK)



Or, tell us who it is and we'll look as well?
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 08 June 19 11:01 BST (UK)
Can you give us the census reference please?
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: Vimto on Saturday 08 June 19 11:03 BST (UK)
As Mckha489 suggested, I also think it is Princess Helena, Little Holland.

An image of an old postcard is available here:

https://www.jbarchive.co.uk/es-1365---princess-helena-little-holland-essex---6x4-photo-10523-p.asp (https://www.jbarchive.co.uk/es-1365---princess-helena-little-holland-essex---6x4-photo-10523-p.asp)
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: Karen McDonald on Saturday 08 June 19 11:06 BST (UK)
This could get interesting!  ;D

Great Holland is a blink 'n you'll miss it place. Tiny.

Looks to me more like Princes with the 2nd "s" (if that's what it is) having been added later.

I keep seeing "Nilena", which is really not helping...  ::)

Best regards,
Essex-Girl Karen  ;D
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: Vimto on Saturday 08 June 19 11:06 BST (UK)
And from this website:

https://www.europese-bibliotheek.nl/en/Books/Clacton-on-Sea_in_old_picture_postcards_volume_1/100-134010/Article/4 (https://www.europese-bibliotheek.nl/en/Books/Clacton-on-Sea_in_old_picture_postcards_volume_1/100-134010/Article/4)

"33. THE 'PRINCESS HELLENA', LITTLE HOLLAND. Licensed as 'The Beerhouse' in 1882. Plans for the future development of Little Holland, a small village sorne two miles to the east of Clacton-on-Sea, went ahead at the turn of the century. A map of the 'Presten Estate' in 1904 shows the proposed roads which included Kings Avenue, Kaisers Grove, and Kings Cliff. Probably when Greene, King & Sans taak over the little beer house, shown in the photograph, in 1883 from its previous owner, one Fleetwood Codd, they decided to maintain the regal note. There were two Princess Helenas. Princess Helena Victoria (1870-1948), a grand-daughter af Queen Victoria's, and Princess Helena (1846-1923) who was her mather and the fifth child of Queen Victoria. At the time this photo was taken, in 1905, Little Holland was all farmland except for a few agricultural cottages. In 1934 it was absorbed by Clacton and became Holland-on-Sea, A year later the 'Princess Helena' was pulled down and a large new Public House called 'The Roaring Donkey' replaced it. (Note spelling: 'Hellena' on sign-board.)"
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: Karen McDonald on Saturday 08 June 19 11:07 BST (UK)
Well done, Vimto!

Once again, Google couldn't help me here in Germany. Big Bruvver, 'n all that.
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: Vimto on Saturday 08 June 19 11:11 BST (UK)
And for those interested in looking up the full census page:

RG12, piece 1400, folio 108, page 22

Household of Joseph Gould, Head, Carpenter, aged 51 (Princess Helena, Little Holland Road, Great Holland, Tendring, Essex)
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: [Ray] on Saturday 08 June 19 11:15 BST (UK)


Pub for me too . . . . .
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: Vimto on Saturday 08 June 19 11:20 BST (UK)
And if you check out the 1911 census the same Joseph Gould (aged 72) is still there and is now "Beer House Keeper" - address in his own hand "Princess Helena, Gt Holland, Clacton on Sea"

Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: Vimto on Saturday 08 June 19 11:27 BST (UK)
The Princess Helena pub became the Roaring Donkey, replacing the earlier building on the same site, and is still there as a pub.

And the location in Google maps:

https://goo.gl/maps/MYLBzqLsofVmLKad8  (https://goo.gl/maps/MYLBzqLsofVmLKad8)
Title: Re: Help with 1891 census address Great Holland Essex
Post by: Anne in OZ on Saturday 08 June 19 11:43 BST (UK)
Wow! Thanks everyone. I went to have tea, came back and problem solved.  ;D The family who lived there was named Kettle, sorry I didn't think to put the name in my original post.
Anne