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My GGGrandfather was Elias Morrell, b. Manchester 1844, he married Elizabeth Smith from Liverpool b1842. They married in Liverpool in 1864 and had 5 children, the last Edward Shepherd Morrell b1872 being my GGrandfather. I can find no trace of either Elias' death or Elizabeth, they seem to have disappeared after 1871. The 1871 census has a record but it shows Elias as being born in 1833 and from Derbyshire, Elizabeth is there with all the children bar one all correct.
I have 1851 census, Elias living with parents, aged 6, in Manchester.
Elias pops up, I think, in 1886, at his daughters wedding in Birkenhead, Anne Jane Morrell to James Cardus...but I believe that does not mean he was there in person.
Its the deaths of Elias and Elizabeth that is puzzling? Don't think they emigrated...
All brainwaves greatly appreciated as ever.
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Do you have the marriage cert of Elias and Elizabeth, that will show his father and age as I have found this death?
MORRELL, ELIAS 13
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 208
looks like the 1844 birth Elias.
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I think he may have been older as his 1st Marriage was to Mary Ellen Gregory 1859.
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For those trying to help;
1851 Census
Derbyshire
Samuel Morrell 41
Elizabeth Morrell 42 Farmer of 72 acres***
Samuel Elias Morrell 19
ELIAS Morrell 16, born Heage, Derbyshire, England****
Elizabeth Mary Morrell 11
Fredric Kent Morrell 7
Amelia Kent Morrell 4
Hannah Maria Morrell 2
Hannah Dannah 4
Elizabeth Baron 16
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Father named on both marriages as Samuel Morrell, farmer. 1851 census has an Elias Morrell age 16 in Belper, Derbyshire ... son of Samuel and Elizabeth Morrell.
Marriage certs. both show Elias is a butcher. Presumably he should be showing in the 1861 census as such in Liverpool.
And here he is Trafalgar Court Liverpool
Elias Morrell butcher b Duffield Derbyshire 35
Mary E Morrell 20 b Duffield wife
Mary E Morrell 1 dau b Liverpool
Morrell may be transcribed as Morrill.
William
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Could this be Elizabeth
First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Smith Or Morrell
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Marriage year 1876
Marriage date 30 Jul 1876
Marriage place Liverpool
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's last name Delves
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Elizabeth in 1881 badly transcribed so she did remarry
Thomas Delnes 45
Elizabeth Delnes 35
Amelia P. Norrall 13
John S. Norrall 11
Edward S. Norrall 9
Thomas J. Delves 3
Henry Delves 2
Albert Delves
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Thomas Joseph Delves birth
DELVES, THOMAS JOSEPH SMITH
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 162
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1871 we have;
Elias Marvell 38
Elizabeth Marvell 25
Frederick Marvell 7
Ann Marvell 5
Amelia Marvell 3
John Marvell 1
Ellen Parks 27
John Parks 7
Mary Ann Parks 7 Months
Catharine Shaw 50
Yes a narrow window for Elias to have died or done a runner :)
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I think you are correct, Medpat. The marriage shows Elizabeth as a widow. Her residence at the time of marriage is given as Trowbridge Street.This is the same address as recorded for the baptism of son Edward Shephard Morrell in 1875 (parents Elias and Elizabeth).
William
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If Edward is Elias's child we have from conception to the marriage to track Elias.
Off out now will check back later. Have fun.
Pat
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Baptism of Edward Shephard Morrell was 5 Sept 1875 but gives date of birth as 24 July 1872. The record does not state that Elias was deceased.
Still unable to see a death for Elias between 1871 and 1876.
William
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Seems like I had the wrong Elias. The one certainty is that Edward Shepherd Morrell born 1872 has mother as MMN Smith. Shepherd is a family name, all the first born are called Edward Shepherd. Needs a bloody shepherd to sort it all out! There six of them, my grandad was Edward Shepherd too, born 1897.
So its still Elias but not the manchester one 1844 who died 1857. Bugger!
Really appreciate this.
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Daughter Elizabeth Delves born Birkenhead 1882 and in 1901 3 youngest on their own so this is a possible death age slightly out according to census as born 1844
DELVES, ELIZABETH 50
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 315
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Could be husband's death
DELVES, THOMAS 49
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 333
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1901 census - Birkenhead
Thomas J Delves 23
Henry Delves 21
Elizabeth Delves 18
Thomas snr a butcher and so are Thomas J and Henry
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It all adds up, thanks so much. The spellings of Morrell though, astonishing.
No sign of Elias' death still? I shall keep hunting.
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The Morrells were Butchers and or slaughtermen too, as were quite a few of other relatives.
There was a huge lairage in Birkenhead at the time, built near Cammel Lairds and was a huge draw in itself as well as the new docks. The town expanded massively at this time. No sign of Elias though, strange really...No one knows him now but its like a mystery now. What happened to Elias?
Thanks for everything, all the other info slotted in and solved a few questions I had.
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Elias was baptized in Heage, Derbyshire on 3rd May 1835.
There's a note on the record which says 'born March 11th 1835.
Father a farmer.
The image is on Familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77XT-KMSQ?i=60&cc=1911752
Bev
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Thanks for this. All that time and I had the wrong Elias Morrell. A lot of other stuff fits now.
Elias Morrell was my great-great-grandfather.
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GRO Birth Reg for Elias Sister (on 1851 Census)
MORRELL, HANNAH MARIA, Mothers mn BEARDAH ****
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in BELPER Volume 19 Page 444
Marriage;
02 Nov 1830, St Werburgh, Derby, Derbyshire
Saml MORRELL, Farmer of Duffield Parish
Elizabeth BEARDAH
Married by licence.
1841 in Duffield;
Samuel Morrell 30
Elizabeth Morrell 30
Samuel Morrell 9
Elias Morrell 6
Josep Morrell 3
Elizabeth Morrell 1
Elias Morrell 25 Draper
Amelia Morrell 20
William Hind 15
George Swindal 10
Hannah Weight 1 3 Mo
Now Elias occp Draper married Amelia KENT 1839 Manchester, his Father SAMUEL occp Farmer.
I would think Samuel c 1809 is a Brother of Elias.
ELIAS was Bapt 6 Jan 1815 Pentrich, Parents SAML/ELIZTH
Abode Morley Park, Father a Farmer
Morley Park is the same address as the 1841 Census above
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I had the census and wondered about Elias the draper, thanks.
Makes sense also why two of Samuels children are called Frederick Kent and Amelia Kent.
Close family I think.
Thanks again
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Trouble with family tree stuff is it just keeps taking you to different places. Wonder what happened to Elias and Amelia, married 1839, there in the 1841 census, then next thing is I find Elias in 1851 census, it is him, in Burnley working as a shop assistant in a drapers, unmarried.
Cant find Amelia, dead or remarried. Oh well, it keeps me out of the pub I suppose.
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It keeps it interesting ;D
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Baptism of Samuel Morrell at Pentrich (same place as Elias) on 24 sep 1809 s/o Samuel and Betty
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Samuel Morrell married Betty Alton at Duffield on 16 Mar 1803. They had a Joseph and Mary bapt in Pentrich also in 1809, Joseph born 1803 and Mary born 1806