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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Romilly on Monday 10 June 19 13:52 BST (UK)
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I have a Stewart Wilson, Born 1827 Manchester, Lancashire, England.
At some stage he must have travelled to Ontario, Canada, - possibly with his Parents William and Sarah Wilson.
I'm looking for a Marriage for him in Ontario to Isobel Amanda CUYLER, who was Born in Ontario in 1861.
Cheers, Romilly.
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I'm a bit puzzled ??? I found Stewart Wilson 19 Aug 1827 , son of William Wilson , weaver, and Sarah of Manchester and then Steward Wilson , son of William Wilson , weaver , and Sarah of Manchester , buried 23 Mar 1828 at Blackley St Peter ( Manchester ) , aged 8 months. These records seem to refer to the same person.
I can't find anything at all for an Isobel Amanda Cuyler , born 1861 or otherwise. I'm assuming you found a birth giving these two as parents ?
Sorry if I'm being a bit dense.
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Of course you're not being dense Christine53!
Unless you have access to Canadian Records, you won't find Isobel Cuyler, because she was Born in Ontario.
On the Geni Site there is a Stewart Wilson, Born Manchester, 1827, and later with Wife Isobel Wilson, (Nee Cuyler). They had 2 daughters, Lubelle and Juliette.
I can't see the Marriage though. Thanks for looking.
Romilly.
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Hi Romilly .
I do have access to Canadian records and can't find anything at all for an Isobel Amanda Cuyler.
It's interesting that you mention Lubelle and Juliette Wilson as I've just been looking at an ancestry tree which they are part of. The tree has the parents as Stewart Wilson , born 1860 Canada , and Agnes Margaret Miller , born 1861 Ontario. Another tree has their parents as Stewart Wilson , born 1860 Canada , and Amanda Julietta Culyer , born 1861 Ontario. This tree has a marriage record attached , purporting to be for their marriage in 1890 but the record is actually for the Miller / Stewart marriage. The Wilson girls seem to have been born in North Dakota , USA .
Christine
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Hi Christine,
Thanks so much for looking.
The info that I've been trying to follow up from the Geni Site looks to be garbled!
It's so annoying when you try to follow misinformation:-(
Apologies about this.
Romilly.
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Here is a link to her possible burial with other family mentioned....
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/93227118
PB
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Many thanks polarbear.
It sounds tragic:-(
I should add that I'm chasing a DNA Match to a Switzer/Cuyler family.
I seem to have quite a few DNA Matches in Ontario; which are on my 'Brickwall' Wilson (Paternal) side. I can't get beyond my Paternal Grandfather William James Wilson, Born Manchester, Lancashire, 1860, - and so it's a puzzle:-(
Romilly.
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I wish I could work out where, (and if...) I fit in with these families!
Romilly ::)
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Can't help with DNA things but in case you don't have this record.....
A widowed Stewart Wilson married an Agnes Mary Millar in Sault Ste Marie Ontario 06 Jan 1890. He had several more children with her. They are in North Dakota in the 1900 census. Lubelle and daur who appears to be Juliette (with a shortened form for her name) are with them so I'm assuming this is your Stewart.
PB
Edited to add: is Stewart related to your William James?
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Thanks polarbear.
Re: your edit...
I think my Grandfather must have been related to Stewart Wilson, (because of the DNA Matches). The problem is I just don't know how:-(
There was a Stewart Wilson Born Manchester 1827, but he Died aged 8 months. The Stewart Wilson married to Agnes seems to have been born in Ontario? (Incidentally, one Tree on Ancestry has her as Agnes KEAN).
Romilly.
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Re the Cuyler/Switzer connection.....it looks like the mother of Amanda Juliette (I believe she has this name, not Isobel Amanda?) is a Rachel Switzer.
Do you have parents, including MMN for your William James Wilson?
Do you have access to Canadian and USA records?
PB
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PB, - sadly, the answer to most of your questions is 'No'.
My Father, (son of WJ Wilson) was 30yrs older than my Mother, and Died when I was 5. My Grandfather WJ Wilson Died years before I was born.
On his Marriage Cert, (to my Grandmother in June 1893 in Swansea) he says his Father is, 'William Wilson (Deceased) Occupation: Mason. (I'll try and attach it here).
I have a hunch that WJ's Mother was an Alice. This is because WJ's 3rd son was initially Registered as 'Alice Rencella Wilson'. 3 months later his name and gender were reassigned as a 'Clerical Error' and he became a boy instead of a girl, and Ernest Rencella Wilson for the rest of his life! (He Died in 1957).
I was persuing the Switzer lead because I have quite a few Switzer Matches on the Ancestry DNA Site...
It might be a 'red herring' though...
Romilly ???
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OK then....
You certainly have a large brick wall with WJW, don't you?
I wonder if one might equate Mason to a Slate Quarrier? Thoughts?
I can't see the cert you posted very well (fuzzy) but I don't think it is the one you meant to put up? Can you post William's age on his cert and the date? And his profession?
PB
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PB, - WJ Wilson says he's 32yrs, Batchelor, Occupation: House Painter.
Until the 1911 I thought that the William James Wilson, Born 1860 in Kirkby Ireleth, Lancs, with Father William Wilson, Slate Quarrier, was my man!
However, on the 1911 Census, that WJ Wilson is still single and living at home, - whereas my Grandfather WJ Wilson is married to my Grandmother, and living in St Helens Road, Swansea, with her and their 6 sons...
I did follow the other WJ through and he never married and Died in Kirkby Ireleth.
Having said that, - according to Living DNA, I have 8% DNA from Cumbria, - and Kirkby Ireleth is in Cumbria, (used to be Lancs).
Romilly ::)
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Oh, too bad. That was such a good looking lead.
Onward and upward.....I'll work on Stewart tomorrow. It does look like he was born in Canada.
PB
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Thanks so much for looking PB. (I know how dispiriting it is looking at Wilson's, - too many of them...:-)
Prior to the 1911 coming out, - I followed the Wilson's and Brunton's in Kirkby Ireleth, and ordered lots of Certs. It all looked so good, - and William Wilson Snr had a good sideline as a Beerhouse Keeper... I was sooo disappointed that they weren't the right family in the end:-(
Romilly 8)
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Hello again. Before I start with Stewart I thought I'd put down a few notes about what records are available for free for Canada and the USA, in case you were not aware of them :).
All Canadian censuses are available on the Canadian Archives website, here....
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx
Certain years also here....
http://automatedgenealogy.com
Familysearch has Ontario BMDs if you are signed up there. I have problems accessing these records myself at times but they are there.
Familysearch also has census records for the USA but I'm not sure which years are covered.
Also, I'm not sure where you are located but you might check if your local public library subscribes to Ancestry Library Edition. This should give you access to the Canadian and USA records, including images, but not family trees.
PB
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Thanks for the Links PB, - greatly appreciated.
I have Subs to Ancestry(UK) which doesn't cover Canada.
I'm in SW Hertfordshire, - just to the NW of London.
Our local Library here doesn't have Ancestry Library Edition unfortunately, I have checked.
I have considered taking out Ancestry Worldwide, - just for a month, but at the moment my 95yr old Mother is unwell, and I'm having to do a lot of driving... and so that will have to wait a while.
Many Thanks for the help,
Romilly.
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On with Stewart....
The marriage record for Stewart and Agnes has his parents as Robert and Isabella (incidentally, I think Agnes' second name s/b Margaret and Mary is perhaps a mistranscription of a shortened form on the original).
This appears to be the marriage of his parents. Scroll down to the bottom of the page....
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/burnbrae.htm
So, possibly another Wilson/Brunton connection.
This should be Isabella with her family in the 1851/2 census. I believe her mother and little sister should have their name spelled Euphemia. On the sister Euphemia's death record, her mother's maiden name is given as Patterson. Click on split view at the top to see the image....
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census52/View.jsp?id=14111&highlight=42&desc=1852+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Isabella+Brunton
Robert and Isabella and family are in the Dakota Territory in the 1885 USA census. I'll post it shortly.
PB
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Gosh, - that's amazing that Stewart Wilson's Mother was a Brunton!
The William James Wilson, Born 1860 in Kirkby Ireleth's Mother was Elizabeth Brunton.
I ordered quite a few Brunton Certs when I thought she was my Great Grandmother :-)
Many Thanks, - there must be some connection, I'm sure...
Romilly.
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1885 USA census....
In Fargo, Cass County, Dakota Territory, 01 June 1885.
Robert Wilson 50 Carpenter b. Canada father b. Ireland mother b. Ireland
Isabella 47 b. Canada father b. Scotland mother b. Scotland
Stewart 24 Carpenter
Jane 22 Dress Maker
Robert J 19 Printer
John 17
Wm 15
Wesley 13
Edward 11
Annie 7
Maud 1
All children except Maud b. Canada. Maud b. Dakota.
There is no sign of a marriage for Stewart and Amanda anywhere at the moment. On needs to be careful with the trees but one has a marriage date of Dec 1885, however no location is given. I'll have to doublecheck if I remember correctly, but I believe both he and Amanda were from the same area so perhaps knew each other;maybe she followed him out to the Dakota Territory and married him there.
So, a start. Need to go out now for a bit....will add more later.
PB
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Thanks so much PB.
I think there is a Cuyler/Switzer connection with Rachel, - but some of the Trees on Ancestry seem very jumbled...(!)
Romilly.
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Yes, some of the trees are certainly jumbled so one needs to be careful with them. Having said that, one I have looked at in particular seems to have dates of birth for ancestors that were born long before civil registration began in 1869 so they must have had access to other sources like parish records or family bibles or something of a similar nature.
The possible Brunton connection was the reason I was looking at the same family you did. One never knows but there may be a connection between the 2 lines further back in time.
Do you use familysearch?
PB
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Yes PB, - I use Family Search and have Registered on there.
That's how I found where all of my Mormon Matches came from!
Romilly ;-)
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OK. This record from FS was handy so I will post it for you.
Stewart's 2nd marriage....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y39T-JZ4?i=45&cc=1784216
Rachel Cuyler's 1923 death s/b on there too but I haven't been able to bring it up.
PB
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Thanks PB.
What an idiot I am!! I didn't realize that I could access Canadian Records on Family Search!
Romilly :-[
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:)
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Slowly working my way through the many windows I have open for the families.
Here is the burial info for Isabella.....
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/185028494
PB
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Many, many thanks PB...
And abject apologies!
Romilly :-X
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No need for any apologies. I love a good hunt and am having a great time with your family :).
PB
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:) :) ;)
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Here we go again :).
Here is Rachel Switzer Cuyler's death cert....transcribed as Buyler so no wonder it wouldn't come up for me.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6743-FKN?i=179&cc=1307826
Her husband Charles Edward appears to have died in 1918.
And her burial...
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/30534508
PB
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This looks like it might be Rachel with her family in the 1851/2 census. Click split view to see the image....
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census52/View.jsp?id=5435&highlight=34&desc=1852+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Benjamine+Switzer
This record has father as Benjamine and her death cert has Jacob B. Her brother Benjaman's 1931 death cert (s/b on FS but I'm using Anc.....at the moment) has father as Benjeman and gives his birth place Limerick Ireland. Benjeman's cert also corroborates their mother being Mary Leonard b. Ireland, no location though. So it appears Rachel's father was a Jacob Benjamin Switzer.
PB
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Many thanks for all the sterling help PB; which I greatly appreciate:-)
This all ties in with one of the Trees on Ancestry that I've been trying to unravel...
I will get back to it later!
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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You are very welcome. There is a lot to digest and will no doubt be more to find :).
PB