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Title: William James
Post by: philrmoon on Wednesday 12 June 19 13:17 BST (UK)
Trying to find the parents of William James and Catherine neale please

William possibly born 1799 in Liverpool Lancashire england  ??

Married

Catherine neale possibly born 1806 in england

Married 1838 in Newtown Tasmania

Both could have been transported as convicts ( that's just my theory )

He died 1890 Hobart

She died 1885 ??

Any help would be welcome

Regards Phil
Title: Re: William James
Post by: lancsann on Wednesday 12 June 19 13:59 BST (UK)
There was a Catherine Neale transported for 7 years in 1836 by the Cetral Criminal Court. No details given
Title: Re: William James
Post by: LizzieW on Wednesday 12 June 19 15:27 BST (UK)
There is a tree on Ancestry which gives some information, including the year of her transportation, 1836 but no details of her convictions etc.  A bit odd because one of my ancestors was transported to Van Diemens Land in 1843 and there is loads of info about her on various sites, both in UK and Australia - I checked for Catherine Neale on a couple of sites where my ancestor is shown, but nothing relevant came up.  There is a baptism of a Catherine Neale in Westminster, Middlesex in 1805, parents Dennis Neale and Mary.  Apart from that I can't see anything.

The same tree suggests that William James was probably a free settler.  There are 3 other trees regarding William James.
Title: Re: William James
Post by: LizzieW on Wednesday 12 June 19 15:33 BST (UK)
The only William James born in England on 15 December 1799 was born in Stoke Dameral, Devon and baptised on 6 November 1800, parents William James and Jane.  The only Liverpool connection seems to be on the Ancestry tree (of Catherine) with a note which states that at some point he lived in Liverpool Street.

Of course this could be a complete red herring.
Title: Re: William James
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 12 June 19 16:03 BST (UK)
Could this be Catherine

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nxa/

also this where a Catherine Neale was found not guilty
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nx9/
Title: Re: William James
Post by: philrmoon on Wednesday 12 June 19 16:43 BST (UK)
Hi

Is it possible to give the name of the person's  tree and if it is public

Regards Phil
Title: Re: William James
Post by: LizzieW on Wednesday 12 June 19 17:26 BST (UK)
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Could this be Catherine

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nxa/

I saw that but, for some unknown reason, decided it was a different Catherine Neale.  Looking on an Australian convict site there is more than 1 Catherine Neale, one about 5-6 years younger than the one who married William James.

Phil - if you have access to Ancestry it's easier if you click on Search, then Public Member Trees and type in her name and year of birth (1806) and 2 trees come up called, Burgess Family Tree and A Golden Variety Tree.  If you go to Burgess Family Tree you can see the info they have.  Whilst you're on the tree if you click on William James name on the right hand side of Catherine's page, his details will come up.  Next to his name at the top of the page is a photograph of a document.  Click on that and you can read more info about him.  Under occupation is the note about him living at Liverpool Street.

You can always contact the tree owner to see what other information she has.

Title: Re: William James
Post by: matthewj64 on Thursday 13 June 19 18:16 BST (UK)
Could this be Catherine

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nxa/

also this where a Catherine Neale was found not guilty
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nx9/

This Catherine Neale was sent to New South Wales 1836 on the Sarah and Elizabeth
https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/neale/catherine/14383
https://www.digitalpanopticon.org/life?id=obpdef1-2013-18360815

There is a Catherine Neale sent to Tasmania 1836 on the Westmoreland, but she has a marriage permission record for 1842
https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON40-1-8$init=CON40-1-8p96 (https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON40-1-8$init=CON40-1-8p96)
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def1-1657-18360704&div=t18360704-1657#highlight

If you search for her name on the Tasmanian Names Index here
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/
you will see a couple of free arrivals including one in 1837 that would be a good contender for the 1838 marriage.

Note that for the 1838 marriage, one of the witnesses is Richard James, so possibly a relative.
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD36-1-3p150j2k

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Title: Re: William James
Post by: matthewj64 on Thursday 13 June 19 18:43 BST (UK)
I can see three births registered to this couple, William's occupation is boot and shoe maker

1839 William
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-1-p257j2k

1843 Charles Neale
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-1-p409j2k

1844 Ann Lucinda
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-2-p485j2k


edit to add - advertisement for William James Boot Maker (column three)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8747426
Title: Re: William James
Post by: matthewj64 on Thursday 13 June 19 19:16 BST (UK)
Death notice for Catherine James 1885
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article163526268

and William James 1890
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9233146
'a colonist of 57 years...Liverpool papers please copy'

I think its likely that both arrived as free settlers

M