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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: zylar22 on Monday 17 June 19 05:08 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am trying to find any information on my 3rd Great Grandfather William SHARPE.
So far I know that he married Mary Catherine CONSTABLE in Balmain Sydney in 1884. Registration No. 2123.
He died 1894 in Glebe Sydney. Records show his dad was Edward Sharpe.
I am trying to figure out where he was born. The year is around 1852 as his burial record said he was 42 when he died.
I am also trying to figure out who his mother was.
Thanks
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Do you have a copy of that 1884 marriage cert? It will likely have been reconciled to the church registers and if so, it will likely include the information that the bride and groom provided to the clergy when they married.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0
JM
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Evening News 25Oct1884 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107277864
Also https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71019451
SHARP — CONSTABLE. — September 18, at St. John's Church. Balmain, by the Rev. Edwin J. Sturdee,
William, third son of Edward Higgs Sharp, Sheepshed, Leicestershire, England, to Mary (Minnie), second daughter of John Constable, Newstead, Moruya, New South Wales.
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Hi there is a tree on ancestry for Edward Heggs Sharpe of Sheepshed, Leicestershire, England which reveals on the Census 1861 his wife was named SARAH. one of the children on the tree is called William
Cass
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Possibility: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4M-312S
William Sharpe
Christening 1st June1851
Anglican
Shepshed, Leicester, England
Father: Edward Sharpe
Mother: Sarah
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Thank you for your help. You have solved the puzzle for me. The only piece left to fill in is when he came from England to Australia, which is great.
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Possibility: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4M-312S
William Sharpe
Christening 1st June1851
Anglican
Shepshed, Leicester, England
Father: Edward Sharpe
Mother: Sarah
A brothers’ christenings:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7BX-MFX
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSKQ-7GC
SHARPE, EDWARD HEGGS mmn CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION Volume 15 Page 150
SHARPE, THOMAS mmn CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION Volume 15 Page 145
Added:
SHARPE, SARAH ANN mmn CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION Volume 15 Page 129
Possibly not as no mmm: SHARPE, ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH UNION Volume 15 Page 141
SHARPE, REBECCA mmn CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 15 Page 168
SHARP, WILLIAM mmn CLARK
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 15 Page 179
SHARP, WILLIAM mmn CLARK
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 02C Page 179
SHARP, MARTIN mmn CLARK
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 106
SHARPE, GEORGE LEESON mmn CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 120
SHARP, MARY ELIZABETH mmn CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in LOUGHBOROUGH Volume 07A Page 122
Jamjar
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Parent’ marriage:
Marriages Dec 1840 Loughbro 15 184
CLARK Sarah
SHARPE Edward
Jamjar
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1851 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGFG-KVP
1861 with William and some siblings: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7TM-4VD
(Hopefully, someone can find the page before this one, which should have parents and other siblings on it.)
Jamjar
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Ancestry has 1871 census:
William Sharpe b Shepshed, Leics, "Drapers Assistant" age 19.
Not on 1881 census that I can find so possible arrival in Australia between 1871 and 1884
shume australia
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Ancestry has 1871 census:
William Sharpe b Shepshed, Leics, "Drapers Assistant" age 19.
Not on 1881 census that I can find so possible arrival in Australia between 1871 and 1884
shume australia
I was just about to post the same and for reference:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTX-HD8
Shume, as you have access to Ancestry, could you locate the page before the one I have linked, for the 1861?
Jamjar
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Do you have a copy of that 1884 marriage cert? It will likely have been reconciled to the church registers and if so, it will likely include the information that the bride and groom provided to the clergy when they married.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0
JM
Zylar22, do you have the marriage and death certificates?
Jamjar
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Rookwood has his death, years after his burial:
William Sharpe 42 DOD 1-1-1900 DOI 11-8-1894 Zone B BBB 2209
Jamjar
Edited.
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Deceased Estate: https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?id=15&surname=Sharpe&firstname=William&locality=&dateofdeath=10/08/1894&datedutypaid=
SHARPE, William; Glebe; DoD 10/08/1894; Date duty paid 13/09/1894; item [19/10191]; [20/66] Reel 3025 -
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No I haven’t got copies of the marriage or death certificates yet. All the information which people have found has been so helpful I am unsure if I really need them.
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Well, if it were my direct Ancestor I would definitely be outlaying for the purchase of transcriptions.
The information will give you a foundation, free from uncertainty, about your early people. From there you can move out in all directions to inquire about the extended family.
The information on Australian certificates is very extensive.
Among other things, you will be able to confirm his mother's maiden name.
MARRIAGE
Date
Couple's names
Couple's ages
Couple's birthplaces
Previous status
Couple's occupations
Couple's residences
Fathers' names
Fathers' occupations
Groom's mothers name
Bride's mothers name
DEATH
Name
Date
Death place
Age
Occupation
Cause of death
Parents' names
Spouse names
Marriage details
Chns names
No of chn
Birthplace
Sue
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No I haven’t got copies of the marriage or death certificates yet. All the information which people have found has been so helpful I am unsure if I really need them.
Then how do you know that it is the correct William who is dead and buried?
Jamjar
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The Rookwood cemetery records have William buried in the same plot as two of his children and his wife is in the plot next door with one of their other children.
I also have a newspaper obituary about his death which stated the date, location of burial, his wife and children’s names.
His wife is also a descendant of the Monaro Pioneers, which contains a database about her, her kids and that lists the year of her husbands death.
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Could you post a link to the obituary, please?
Jamjar
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Monaro Pioneers ... http://www.monaropioneers.com/pioneerss.htm
SHARPE, William Laurence.
CONSTABLE, John Oldfield.
JM
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Obituary
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13963754?
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This one has the children’s names
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15684844?
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Monaro Pioneers ... http://www.monaropioneers.com/pioneerss.htm
SHARPE, William Laurence.
CONSTABLE, John Oldfield.
JM
JM
I do not have an account at Monaro Pioneers which seems to be required to see information.
Can you convey any information about William (Laurence) Sharpe from that site?
Is his date of arrival shown?
Sue
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No, it wont accept my sign in. I have sent off request for help. Fingers crossed they will sort.
NSW d.c. include response to 'how long in the colonies'.
JM
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William Laurence Sharpe is not the William Sharpe I am related to sorry.
My William Sharpe’s wife was the granddaughter of John Oldfield Constable. She was Mary Catherine Constable.
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Submissions form the basis of the database. :) If no one else has provided a summary I will, once my access has been restored.
JM
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William Laurence Sharpe is not the William Sharpe I am related to sorry.
My William Sharpe’s wife was the daughter of John Oldfield Constable. She was Mary Catherine Constable.
Ah, Do you mean that your William SHARPE is mentioned on the database, but only insofar as being the husband of Mary of the CONSTABLE family?
Tricky when we can't see it ;)
Sue
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Obituary
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13963754?
Just for reference, neither of those are an ‘obituary’, but rather they are a funeral notice and an In Memoriam. An Obit usually has some information about a person’s life when they were living.
Jamjar
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Yes that is correct.
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https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/8767
Jamjar this is the previous page 1861 census as requested but not sure if this is enough.. if not this is the whole link below!!
www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/8767/LEIRG9_2273_2278-0673?pid=23821754&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8767%26h%3D23821754%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DCEm13607%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CEm13607&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.187913640.1851185346.1560940660-147215607.1497865616#?imageId=LEIRG9_2273_2278-0672
shume
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Yes that is correct.
This does not make good sense to me at present. May I please be informed as to which post it is in response to?
Submissions form the basis of the database. :) If no one else has provided a summary I will, once my access has been restored.
JM
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William Laurence Sharpe is not the William Sharpe I am related to sorry.
My William Sharpe’s wife was the daughter of John Oldfield Constable. She was Mary Catherine Constable.
Ah, Do you mean that your William SHARPE is mentioned on the database, but only insofar as being the husband of Mary of the CONSTABLE family?
Tricky when we can't see it ;)
Sue
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Obituary
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13963754?
Just for reference, neither of those are an ‘obituary’, but rather they are a funeral notice and an In Memoriam. An Obit usually has some information about a person’s life when they were living.
Jamjar
Thanks, JM
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Sorry but unless the person clicking on the live link has a subscription, they dont have access...
JM
https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/8767
Jamjar this is the previous page 1861 census as requested but not sure if this is enough.. if not this is the whole link below!!
www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/8767/LEIRG9_2273_2278-0673?pid=23821754&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D8767%26h%3D23821754%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DCEm13607%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CEm13607&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.187913640.1851185346.1560940660-147215607.1497865616#?imageId=LEIRG9_2273_2278-0672
shume
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Submissions form the basis of the database. :) If no one else has provided a summary I will, once my access has been restored.
JM
If you are wondering why I have not typed up a summary .... I have not had a response back re lack of access .... perhaps webmaster is on holidays ... or checks on weekly basis ...
JM