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Title: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: avidt on Tuesday 18 June 19 01:04 BST (UK)
Hi

This man arrived in USA in 1880 according to his marriage record and he was married in Springfield Massachussetts. I am trying to find information from the Ellis Island records there is a US Passport application for him, but I cannotaccess therecord

Many thanks

David taylr
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: oldohiohome on Tuesday 18 June 19 04:06 BST (UK)
There's a passport application for his son Eustace, is that what you are finding reference to? Ancestry lists it under James K Kneeland's name as well, since he is mentioned in the information.

It was in 1920 and Eustace was in Tampico, Mexico, since 1912 on business and says he desires the passport to remain there. All it says about his father is that he was born in Ireland and was working as a mail carrier in Springfield. He arrived, maybe in Boston, but with no date given.
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 05:01 BST (UK)
The birth record for one of the sons gave a middle name Kirwin - James Kirwin Kneeland - 13 May 1894   ??? Have you explored that angle ?

Wonder if there could be variations on the surname  - Neiland/Niland  ??? (Just noticed you mentioned his parents under Neiland on the other thread)

Only 13 years old on immigration date 1872 as per 1900 census ?  1910 census is a sham - immigrated before he was born in 1862 on that one  :-\

Ireland thread - https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=814519.msg6755049

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 05:14 BST (UK)

Interesting - Lots of other surnames on the headstone inscription - any relation to him ?  McMahon/Casey/Slater/Munn

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/169157581#view-photo=145233410

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 05:27 BST (UK)
Margaret McMahon looks like James K Kneeland housekeeper in 1930

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQGD-8G7

and with the house keeper and divorced in 1920

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXBH-8PN

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 05:43 BST (UK)

Could all be red herrings but would be interesting to know if there was any relationship to James Kneeland.  ???

John McMahon and Delia Casey had a daughter Elizabeth 1869 Connecticut - looks like Elizabeth married William Slater.

1870 census New Britain, Hartford, Connecticut

John Mcmahon   26 born Ireland.
Delia Mcmahon   24 born Ireland.
Elizabeth Mcmahon 3 months - born Connecticut.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN78-SLB

1900 Springfield Ward 1, Hampden, Massachusetts.

William Slater   37 born Conecticut.
Elizabeth R Slater 31 born Connecticut.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9RK-KV9

Elizabeth remarried 22 June 1932 - mothers name differs slightly - could be transcription   

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24D8-M7Z

Sandra
 
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 05:49 BST (UK)
Food for thought........................

Interesting City Directory Entry - Springfield, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1898 - James K Kneeland - Letter Carrier - 34 Grays Ave.

Just above him - Honora (wid of John) bds 34 Grays Avenue.

Springfield, Massachusetts, City Directory, 1899 - James Kneeland - letter carrier - h 34 Grays Ave.
Hanora Kneeland widow of John rem to Worcester

City Directory 1895 just James K Kneeland listed - letter carrier - 34 Grays Ave.

City Directory Springfield - 1886/87/88 - James K Kneeland - letter carrier - rms - engine house steamer 2

1887 shows a John Kneeland - fruit - 283 Quincy (might not be the father we are looking for - just making a note)

1883 - James K Kneeland - harness maker - A F Ball - bds 16 Vernon.

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 06:02 BST (UK)

May be another red  herring and one to discount but putting it into the mix just incase there might be a link  :-\

A marriage in Springfield Hamden Massachusetts  3 January 1882 for a Michael J Kneeland - aged 27 - son of John Kneeland and Hanora. Michael was a stone- cutter. Michael born about 1855.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FC9V-XHD

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 06:09 BST (UK)


This could be Michael and Julia on the 1910 census Worthington Street Springfield Ward 4, Hampden, Massachusetts.

Micheal Kneeland 51
Julia Kneeland   55
Florence Kneeland 23
Bessie Kneeland   21
William Kneeland 20

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2J1-7FH

and 1900 Summer Street Springfield Ward 4, Hampden, Massachusetts

Michael J Kneeland   44 born Ireland November 1855
Julia A Kneeland   44
Frank A Kneeland   17
Madeline Kneeland   15
Florence J Kneeland   14
Bessie Kneeland   12
William Kneeland   10

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9R2-WB4

Sandra


Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 06:16 BST (UK)
Hmmm a death of Honora Kneeland but not quite the parents surname Moy  :-\ One entry says Milan and another Moylan - (close)

   
Honora Kneeland - Death     26 Nov 1906    Worcester Massachusetts -
Widowed - Birthplace  Ireland - Father's Name Thomas Milan - Bridget Broderick
Spouse's Name John Kneeland. Chronic Nephritus. Informant a daughter Catherine O Connor.
Burial Worcester 29 November 1906 -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6X53-DP5?i=83&cc=1463156

James K Kneeland Age 33
Birth Year:   abt 1859 Ireland
Marriage Date 23 Nov 1892 Marriage Place Springfield, Massachusetts.
Father John Kneeland Mother Honora Moylan
Spouse Elvie M Shattuck


Sandra

Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 06:45 BST (UK)
This looks like the daughter Catherine Kneeland/O'Connor in 1900 Worcester Ward 4, Worcester, Massachusetts.

Patrick Oconner   55 born Ireland. Imm 1860
Catherine Oconner 47 born Ireland 1853. Imm 1865
William Oconner   29 born MA
James Oconner   24 born MA
Mary Oconner   20 born MA
Lillian Oconner   15 born MA
Cora Kneeland   88 born Ireland 1812. mother-in-law-widowed. Had 6 children. 4 living.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9BZ-RNN

Sandra


Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 06:46 BST (UK)

Could be  Katherine O'Connor - death 1936 - Massachusetts Death Index.

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: avidt on Tuesday 18 June 19 09:26 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra

Many thanks for that amazing amount of information. I think you were right about Honora's surname being Moylan as that is a common name in Ireland and it certainly looks like the whole family emigrated to Boston, but it would be interesting to find out if they travelled together. On 1 census or maybe it was on the wedding entry for james K and Elvie it noted immigration data as 1880.

Kind Regards

David
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 14:39 BST (UK)

Still more questions than answers   :-\- U.S., Consular Registration Applications, 1916-1925 for Eustace Chester Kneeland states his father James K Kneeland born Ireland immigrated 1883, resided uninterruptedly 1883 - 1918 Springfield MA - applicant did not remember fater is a mail carrier in Springfield Massachusetts.

Sandra 
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: avidt on Tuesday 18 June 19 15:26 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra

We now have 3 immigration dates 1872/1880/1883. Unless I can find the right date we cannot look for possible passenger lists which might have the correct dates.

Do USA death certificates have the place and date of death as British and Australian death certificates Have ?

Kind Regards

David
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: RJ137 on Tuesday 18 June 19 15:40 BST (UK)
James divored his fist wife Elvie in 1911

In January 1911 a deree of divorce was granted in the case of James K. Kneeland vs Elvie M Kneeland. She left him.


James K Kneeland died May 22, 1938. His death notice mentions no family members

James's brother Michael J Kneeland died in April 1926.
His obit mentions his wife and children as well as one brother, "James K Kneeland" all of this city. Also mentioned is a sister Datherine O'Connor of Worcester. He too was buried at Saint Michael's Cemetery.

Michael J. and Julia were married in 1882. The marriage record gives his parents as John & Hannora.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FC9V-XH8

Hope this helps and gives you sibling names to work with.
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 15:50 BST (UK)

Great to know that we are on the right lines with brother Michael J Kneeland and sister Katherine O Connor. Finding the mother Honora in the City Directory entries and her death in 1906 Worcester MA.

Immigration dates are only as good as the informant knowledge.  There were possiblities for James under various spelling of the surname but passenger lists at that time don't give a lot of information to positively identify someone.

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 16:02 BST (UK)

Looking at the marriage of William O Connor (born 1872 Boston - widowed) engineer - of Worcester MA to Beatrice R (Hadley Monckton) aged 25 years born England  - also widow of Clinton MA -
Williams parents listed Patrick O Connor and Catherine Nilin/Nelen
Beatrice parents Ralph Hadley and Sarah Beddon.

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 16:07 BST (UK)


James Connor - Birth Date:   11 May 1876 Worcester, Massachusetts, USA
Father Patrick Connor Mother Kate Kneeland

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 16:08 BST (UK)


Mary F O Connor - Birth Date 19 Sep 1879 Birth Place Worcester, Massachusetts.
Father Patrick H O Connor - Mother Kate Kneeland.

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: avidt on Tuesday 18 June 19 16:20 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra

Thanks for all this amazing information, my frien d Mario is over the moon and looking forward to showing it all to his mother.

God Bless

David
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 16:28 BST (UK)

The confirmation we were on the right track came from the obituary info for Michael Kneeland posted by RJ

The 1920 census Fairbanks Street Worcester Ward 6, Worcester, Massachusetts.

Charles L Gallagher   31
Lillian Gallagher   34
Mary Gallagher   6
Catherine O Connor   67 born Ireland. Imm 1864. Widowed. Mother-in-law. NA.

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 16:31 BST (UK)


1930 Vernon Street Worcester, Worcester, Massachusetts.

Charles L Gallagher   41
Elizabeth K Gallagher   43
Mary E Gallagher   16
Katherine Oconnor   77 born Ireland. Imm 1866. Widowed. Mother-in-law.
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 17:48 BST (UK)
This looks like the daughter Catherine Kneeland/O'Connor in 1900 Worcester Ward 4, Worcester, Massachusetts.

Patrick Oconner   55 born Ireland. Imm 1860
Catherine Oconner 47 born Ireland 1853. Imm 1865
William Oconner   29 born MA
James Oconner   24 born MA
Mary Oconner   20 born MA
Lillian Oconner   15 born MA
Cora Kneeland   88 born Ireland 1812. mother-in-law-widowed. Had 6 children. 4 living.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9BZ-RNN

Sandra

I wonder if this was a possibilty for another sister - Margaret Kneeland Eastman  ???  1856 - 1920

FIND A GRAVE

Saint Michael's Cemetery Springfield, Hampden County, Massachusetts.
Plot   Sec 4 197-253

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/81700927/margaret-eastman

Sandra

Hmm parents listed as John and Mary Nelen on marriage 14/7/1881  ::)

Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 18:29 BST (UK)
Worcester Massachusetts marriage record - 3 January 1881 -  Mary J Kneeland to Michael E Cronan -
Michael aged 32 years - born leominster - Carpenter - parents Timothy and Elizabeth.
Mary J aged 26 years - born Auburn - parents John and Hanora Kneeland.

A son - Joseph E Cronin - Birth Date 14 Dec 1881 Worcester, Massachusetts.
Father Michl Cronin - Mother Mary Neylon

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 18:40 BST (UK)
Michael E Cronin born 1849 Leominster and aged 56 years -
Death Date 7 Jan 1905 Death Place Worcester, Massachusetts.
Father Timothy Cronin - Mother Elizabeth Welch.


Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 18 June 19 18:44 BST (UK)
Info to discount the above marriage of Mary J Kneeland to Michael Cronan ..................

Drat it looks like there are two John and Hanora Nealand (in this instance) - 1865 census - Auburn, Worcester, Massachusetts - which matches the marriage record for Mary above but not the correct siblings.

John Nealand   45 Hannora Nealand   45
Patrick Nealand   17 Catharine Nealand   15
Michael Nealand   13 Mary Nealand   11
Sarah Nealand   9 Margaret Nealand   7 Bridget Nealand   5

Sandra
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: RJ137 on Wednesday 17 March 21 14:00 GMT (UK)

James's brother Michael J Kneeland died in April 1926.
His obit mentions his wife and children as well as one brother, "James K Kneeland" all of this city. Also mentioned is a sister Datherine O'Connor of Worcester. He too was buried at Saint Michael's Cemetery.


Here's a picture of James's brother Michael.

Springfield Republican
Apr 26, 1926
Title: Re: James K Kneeland born c1858 in Ireland
Post by: avidt on Wednesday 17 March 21 14:08 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for that very interesting informatio

Regards  David