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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Lalzovi on Sunday 23 June 19 08:44 BST (UK)
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I have been using a very good transcription of the Kirkburton parish registers and have come across the location of "Burnt Edge" (sometimes Burnt-Edge) a handful of times, sometimes mentioned as being within Cartworth, and sometimes within Hepworth. I am not sure if they are one and the same. Either way, I can't for the life of me find any other record of such a location even on old OS maps of the area. Only the aforementioned transcription mentions it. I checked the originals and it certainly does look like Burnt Edge but I do wonder if it has been wrongly transcribed. It could be Burnt Lodge, but there doesn't seem to be any trace of that either.
Attached (I hope!) are just a couple of examples from the original, taken from the Family Search website. Suggestions would be much appreciated.
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Modern-day Birdsedge perhaps?
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Maybe it was the name of a farm rather than a more general location? The farm, and it’s name, could be long gone.
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I used to live in Penistone south of Kirkburton and the name Burnt Edge rang a bell. I’ve had all my maps out and so far have had no success whatsoever.
Is there anybody else in the family who has a different place as their abode that might help to find Burnt Edge. I know you say that it maybe Cartworth or maybe Hepworth bu another place might help. Mean while I’ll keep looking!
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I was in a similar situation by the way, trying to locate Westnall and Waldershelf, which were placenames on the north side of Sheffield a couple of hundred years ago. I had an ancestor who lived there, according to PRs, but I could find no trace at all on any maps of where it might be.
I did eventually find them; they disappeared from maps when the Ewden Valley was flooded to create the reservoir there. Could something similar have happened to Burnt Edge?
It was info from the local history society in the area that eventually gave me my answer - have you checked the LHS for your area?
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What is the date of the examples you have given.
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There is an 1841 census record for an Abraham Beever born circa 1764 living at "Burntedge" Kirkburton. I can find the adjacent "Gate Head" on "old maps" but not Burntedge yet.
Regards
Roger
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Lots of references to Burnt Edge in the Huddersfield Parish Registers, but I haven't located it yet.
It seems to have been in Hepworth, so may just have been the name of a farm.
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There is a Brown Edge Road, just outside Hepworth.
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"Woodroyd Hill and Burnt Edge, near Holmfirth" appeared in a property sale advert in the Leeds Intelligencer, May 1796. The sale related to a single property with about 15 acres of land associated. The way I read it some of the land may lie away from the property.
Have found a Wood Royd Hill Lane on an 1851/2 map. But yet to spot a "Burnt Edge" - tho' there are more places involving "Edge" in the vicinity than you can shake a stick at
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In the 1841 census, I could find only one mention of Burntedge. Findmypast has the registration district as Huddersfield; Anc. has it as New Mill.
First name(s) Abraham
Last name Beever
Sex Male
Age 77
Birth year 1764
Birth county Yorkshire
Birth place (other) England
Street * Burntedge / Beding Edge
Parish or township Kirkburton
Town Hepworth
Registration district =Huddersfield (findmypast) or New mill (Ancestry)
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1277
Book number 5
Folio number 13
Page number 19
Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
* Not really a street, as each household had a different name.
Enumerator's description:
All that part of the township of Hepworth which lies on the East of the following roads viz commencing at the Township of Fulston near Jackson Bridge along the Hepworth & Butt Lane roads to Hepworth along Hepworth to the Barnside Lane Road, along the same to the Turnpike Road at Gate Head and thence to the Township of Thurlstone.
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Bedding Edge Road is just south of Hepworth.
If Burnt Edge and Beding Edge are the same place, this looks like it.
https://www.bing.com/maps?q=beding+edge+kirkburton&FORM=HDRSC4 (https://www.bing.com/maps?q=beding+edge+kirkburton&FORM=HDRSC4)
Already called Bedding Edge Road on the 1854 OS map.
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Bedding Edge
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Fabulous replies everyone, thanks.
More context: The Kirkburton registers mention Burnt Edge sporadically from 1677 to 1792. The 1841 census that you have found is the latest record. It is therefore not a one-off mishearing or misspelling of the name; even if it was just a single farm (quite likely), I am still surprised that it does not crop up more often given its long presence in the register.
Nearby locations of interest apart from Cartworth and Hepworth would include Holmfirth, Barnside, Maythorn, Foster Place, Flight Hill, New Mill... Penistone at a stretch (I have possible connections there but the distance is a little far from Holmfirth for me to be sure that they are the same people).
Possible locations gleaned from your replies and my research:
1) Birdsedge - it is a little far for me to be satisfied but it is interesting to note that there is not a single mention of Birdsedge in the Kirkburton registers I am using (despite mention of nearby hamlets), so it's possible it had a different name earlier. Still, there is no definite mention of a name change from Burnt Edge at any point in the 19th century.
2) Barnside - there is some mention of possible relatives living in Barnside and at a stretch I suppose there could be a name shift between the two. However, Barnside is given plenty of mention in the registers so this is unlikely.
3) Bedding Edge - if this was mentioned on the 1841 census alongside Burnt Edge then I find that pretty convincing myself! Very happy with this avenue of research but would appreciate any further input. The Abraham Beever in question is the direct ancestor I have been looking at and I had not come across his 1841 census record before, so thank you. No mention of Bedding Edge in the registers, so this is also promising (indicating a name change)
4) Brown Edge - semantically and phonetically related, so I am also intrigued by this option! Also no mention of it in the registers.
Also:
**Flooding a very good suggestion - the Holme Valley, especially Holmfirth has definitely been victim to several floods and I had not thought of the wider impact that flooding might have had
**Yes, agreed. The number of other 'Edges' in the area is bewildering and makes me wonder why this one didn't survive at least on one old map!
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"Woodroyd Hill and Burnt Edge, near Holmfirth" appeared in a property sale advert in the Leeds Intelligencer, May 1796. The sale related to a single property with about 15 acres of land associated. The way I read it some of the land may lie away from the property.
Have found a Wood Royd Hill Lane on an 1851/2 map. But yet to spot a "Burnt Edge" - tho' there are more places involving "Edge" in the vicinity than you can shake a stick at
What a fascinating source - is there any way you could direct me to it? Woodroyd Hill is just in the right vicinity.
As for contacting the LHS (mentioned by another poster), I am certainly open to doing so by email if it turns out to be necessary. I live abroad so visiting in person is not an option for me.
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"Woodroyd Hill and Burnt Edge, near Holmfirth" appeared in a property sale advert in the Leeds Intelligencer, May 1796. The sale related to a single property with about 15 acres of land associated. The way I read it some of the land may lie away from the property.
Have found a Wood Royd Hill Lane on an 1851/2 map. But yet to spot a "Burnt Edge" - tho' there are more places involving "Edge" in the vicinity than you can shake a stick at
What a fascinating source - is there any way you could direct me to it? Woodroyd Hill is just in the right vicinity.
As for contacting the LHS (mentioned by another poster), I am certainly open to doing so by email if it turns out to be necessary. I live abroad so visiting in person is not an option for me.
https://maps.nlsuk/view/102345139
Zoom in and check eastern edge of map for"Foolstone" (off map). "Wood Royd Hill Lane" runs North/South West to the "Victoria Tavern". You'll also see "Bedding Edge".
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As for contacting the LHS (mentioned by another poster), I am certainly open to doing so by email if it turns out to be necessary. I live abroad so visiting in person is not an option for me.
I've tried that, but the email address on their page didn't work - it came back as undeliverable.
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https://maps.nlsuk/view/102345139
Zoom in and check eastern edge of map for"Foolstone" (off map). "Wood Royd Hill Lane" runs North/South West to the "Victoria Tavern". You'll also see "Bedding Edge".
So, we have:
" Woodroyd Hill and Burnt Edge" in the sales details
"Burnt Edge/Beding Edge" in the 1841 census
Woodroyd Hill Lane being a continuation of Bedding Edge Lane on all maps from 1854 to the present
I'd say that is pretty conclusive
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The enumerator's order of recording in 1841:
Foster Place
Gate head
Burntedge, Beding Edge
Hedbrook or Hedge brook
Thuskin Holes
Woodroyd hill
Thuskin Holes is listed in contemporary gazetteers as a single home or a hamlet, 6 miles south of Huddersfield and 8 miles from Penistone.
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Apart from Hedbrook, all those places are visible on the 1854 map.
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Wonderful, this is looking pretty conclusive. It's amazing what can be achieved here within 24 hours!
https://maps.nlsuk/view/102345139
Zoom in and check eastern edge of map for"Foolstone" (off map). "Wood Royd Hill Lane" runs North/South West to the "Victoria Tavern". You'll also see "Bedding Edge".
Thanks again, but I was after a picture or link to the property sale advert if possible. I'm putting together an 'illustrated' family history document for my Grandmother to enjoy and these details make all the difference. That's also why I'm extra keen to identify precise locations so that I can include pictures and maps.
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Wonderful, this is looking pretty conclusive. It's amazing what can be achieved here within 24 hours!
https://maps.nlsuk/view/102345139
Zoom in and check eastern edge of map for"Foolstone" (off map). "Wood Royd Hill Lane" runs North/South West to the "Victoria Tavern". You'll also see "Bedding Edge".
Thanks again, but I was after a picture or link to the property sale advert if possible. I'm putting together an 'illustrated' family history document for my Grandmother to enjoy and these details make all the difference. That's also why I'm extra keen to identify precise locations so that I can include pictures and maps.
I puzzled over the "source" you were after. I began by directing you to the sites where the Leeds Intelligencer adverts could be found - then revised my post thinking you were after map details.
The item can be found on FindMyPast (newspapers) or British Newspaper Archive (a subscription site)
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Great, thanks. Both sources will be most helpful, so not to worry.
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Apologies if this has been covered,but might there be a tithe map?
Roger
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so that I can include pictures
I live in Holmfirth so if you identify a specific place i am happy to take a pic for you.
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Apart from Hedbrook, all those places are visible on the 1854 map.
Looking at the first entry on the 1841 after Abraham at Burntedge, it really does look like the enumerator wrote : "Hedbrook or Hedgebrook". However, the Huddersfield Chronicle 04 August 1860 is saying "Sledbrook".
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Yes, there's Sledbrook Dyke, Sledbrook Hill, Sledbrook Bridge SE of Crow Edge.
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I live in Holmfirth so if you identify a specific place i am happy to take a pic for you.
That's an extremely kind offer, thank you. I'll try to remember to PM you once I am more certain about the details of my Beevers line there.