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Hi Anyone,
I'm still looking for my Maternal GM birth record (after 2 years! of searching)
Name Alice Winifred Hodson _ father George Hodson. Married George Jacklin in 1915.
I have her Death Cert, Marriage Cert, but cannot get back to her Birth Cert. No idea where she was born,
1939 Record shows her DoB as 15 Sep 1896
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From the GRO site:
Hodson, Alice Winifred Jun 1895 Chorlton Vol 08C Pg 855 mmn Bennion.
This should enable you to obtain a certificate for this person - assuming she is yours. I know doesn't match with dob from 1939 record but I have found these ae often out by a year or so.
Pheno
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Ho Phenobarbitals,
I've got this one, but Name of father on this record is Thomas not George (from Marriage Cert in 1915). Get what you say about the birth date on 1939 record but also Fathers name wrong?
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There' no middle name on the 1915 marriage registration (at least as indexed on FreeBMD):
Alice Hodson married George Jacklin, Dec qtr 1915 Tendring
What age was given for her on the marriage?
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There is a marriage on Free BMD in Chorlton in Mar qtr 1888 of a Thomas Hodson to a Mary Bennion which is probably the couple who had Alice Winifred.
Had Alice's father died by the time she married - she may not have remembered his name or maybe whoever took the details got her father's name mixed up and wrote the same first name as her husband.
Have you found any siblings whom you can follow to see what name they supply for their father?
Pheno
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No middle name on what I presume is her 1942 death reg in Boston Lincs.
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Perhaps she is the Alice Hodson b "17 Sep 1896" who was admitted to George Yard School, Tower Hamlets on 29 August 1904.
Father: George Hodson, of 94 ?? St.
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Perhaps she is the Alice Hodson b "17 Sep 1896" who was admitted to George Yard School, Tower Hamlets on 29 August 1904.
Father: George Hodson, of 94 ?? St.
Same person or not?
Admitted to workhouse in Stepney/Tower Hamlets, 21 Apr 1910
Alice Winifred Hodson, 13y 7mo
Catherine Hodson, 5y 8mo
of 8 Paternoster Row.
Parents: Arthur George (in infirmary) and Elizabeth, of 8 Paternoster Row or 40/60? Crispin St.
On 22 April 1910 Catherine Hodson, 5, dau of George and Elizabeth, Roman Catholic, was admitted to the infirmary suffering from bronchitis. Discharged with mother on 26 April.
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Hi All,
It is the Alice Jacklin - Died in Boston, Lincs 1942. I’ve not found any siblings as I can’t find her Father (George from MC in 1915 or mother from any BC). I’ve followed the George Yard school link - no joy! There is actually a school in London for the exact date and father George, but nothing after that.
If the fathers name was an error on MC and birth date wrong on 1939 record I guess it could be be Thomas. I will try the Bennion link again, but I think I tracked this a couple of years ago to no avail.
According to MC George Hodson was deceased in 1915 and occupation was ‘Market-Porter’(which is very generic)
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1901
George Hodson 27 born Aldgate and down as general labourer
Elizabeth Hodson 27 born Aldgate
Alice Hodson 4 born St George's
living at what appears to be Winterton St St Georges in the East
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I got her middle name from her first childs BC (another George! born in Harwich 10 Nov 1918) This was my mothers Eldest brother. Four children all together. George, Earnest, Alice and Olive
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Arthur George Hodson born 16 April 1873 was baptised 2 Jan 1876 at St Botolph, Aldgate.
Parents: George (soldier) and Alice, of 12 Little Somerset St.
Sister baptised at the same time: Caroline, born 4 April 1875.
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Can't find a birth cert. for Catherine either.
I do wonder if George and Elizabeth were married.
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Arthur George Hodson born 16 April 1873 was baptised 2 Jan 1876 at St Botolph, Aldgate.
Parents: George (soldier) and Alice, of 12 Little Somerset St.
Sister baptised at the same time: Caroline, born 4 April 1875.
Possibly a prior baptism for the same child (shouldn't happen twice...):
Arthur George Hodson, baptised 2 Nov 1873 at St Mary, Putney,
Parents: George (of the Grenadier Guards) and Alice, of Putney.
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I think Catherine also settled in Lincolnshire - using the name Catherine K Quinton in Spalding, but dying as Katherine Kate Hodson in Boston in 1995.
Birthdate: 5 August 1905.
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George Hodson was a 34yr old porter of fruit when he was admitted to Stepney workhouse infirmary on 9 June 1907, suffering from mental illness. He was discharged home on 14 June 1907.
He was readmitted aged 37 (labourer) on 20 April 1910, suffering from rheumatism. Home address was 8 Paternoster Row. Wife Elizabeth, and 2 children. He was discharged on 26 April 1910.
George’s religion was recorded as C of E (in contrast to Roman Catholic recorded for Catherine).
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Thanks for all the replies.
I've followed all the suggestions - no luck so far!
Alice Winfred Hodson (or not!) continues to be an enigma.
Any other suggestions welcomed
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I suggest she has been found, and is the London-born sister of Catherine. Unfortunately the family does not seem to have been in the habit of registering births.
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Arthur George. Is it possible he used his 2nd name instead of Arthur ?
Maybe Alice used her grandfather's name on Marriage.
Just trying to help. Carol
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Continued the search - agree with AVM228 and this is probably the right A G Hodson. No progress since - have followed the sister (Catherine) line to no avail. I'm believing I will have to wait until the 1921 Census to see if it has Alice Winifred's place of birth or her mothers place of birth!
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Have you considered DNA genealogy in case it provides any connections whilst you wait for January 2022 to roll around? (Perhaps you are more patient than me!)
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The family's 1911 entry under surname Duffield ???
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWG1-3PC
Monica
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Birth for Alice Winifred under Duffield?
Births 4th Qrt 1896
Duffield Alice Winifred
St. Geo. East
1c/ 341
Monica
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Catherine?
Births 1st Qrt 1905
Duffell Catherine Eliza
Southwark
1d/ 11
Monica
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Excellent sleuthing re Duffields.
Mother's maiden name for Alice Winifred Duffield is Brown; for Catherine Eliza Duffell it's Haywood.
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Wow - could this finally be the one?. I will follow up now
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Catherine?
Births 1st Qrt 1905
Duffell Catherine Eliza
Southwark
1d/ 11
Monica
I don't think she's a match - appears separately in census and later records.
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Excellent sleuthing re Duffields.
Mother's maiden name for Alice Winifred Duffield is Brown; for Catherine Eliza Duffell it's Haywood.
Also to consider:
George Robert Duffield mmn Brown, Mar qtr 1895 London City [poss death as George Duffield, Jun qtr 1895]
William Duffield mmn Brown, Mar qtr 1900 Whitechapel [& likely death, same quarter]
Elizabeth Duffield mmn Brown, Mar qtr 1900 Whitechapel
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The dates line up, but Alice used 'Hodson' on her marriage cert. And on the BC's of her 9 children!. On the Marriage Cert for Elizabeth Brown is says 'Spinster'. So, unlikely she was previously married to a Hodson?
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The dates line up, but Alice used 'Hodson' on her marriage cert. And on the BC's of her 9 children!. On the Marriage Cert for Elizabeth Brown is says 'Spinster'. So, unlikely she was previously married to a Hodson?
What marriage certificate for Elizabeth Brown are you referring to?
I'd think the Hodson/Duffield situation looks more like a case of alias surnames than multiple marriages.
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This marriage?
Arthur George Duffield
Elizabeth Brown
on the same page, Dec qtr 1891 Bethnal Green 1c 552.
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Marriage dated 16th Nov 1891 - Bethnal Green
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No father listed for Arthur George on the marriage so perhaps he was illegitimate. Sometimes the later use of an alias happens when a child is born in one surname, later acquires a stepfather's surname, and moves between the two. Sometimes it is for other reasons!
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The couple managed not to age like the rest of us:
Arthur George was supposedly 23 on marriage (1891), 27 in 1901, 37 in 1911.
Elizabeth was supposedly 21 on marriage (1891), 27 in 1901, 34 in 1911.
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I've seen 'variations' in age in many records, but you are right this now seems very suspicious?
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Possible death: Arthur George Duffield aged "37", Dec qtr 1913 Whitechapel.
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Another possible death: Elizabeth Duffield aged "40", Jun qtr 1916 Whitechapel.
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Unfortunately neither bride nor groom appears in the 1891 census at the address cited on their marriage later that year (respectively 1 and 4 Smith's Place, Bethnal Green).
Ref for those addresses: RG12/257/89/42.
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I now think the 'Arthur George Duffield' track is a red herring. The 1911 census has him down as George C Duffield.
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I now think the 'Arthur George Duffield' track is a red herring. The 1911 census has him down as George C Duffield.
"Georg e", not George C.
Personally I think it would be a mistake to discard this line of enquiry.
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I should have gone to specsavers! - agree George e Duffield
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Oh! I can't give up any 'live' track at the moment - now 2 yrs (almost every day) since I started looking for Alice.
The Duffield track still fits in many ways with the previous records - its just the 'Hodson' link that is sending me crazy!
I've not used DNA yet. Do you think it gives good a high percentage of matches?
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I am a recent recruit to Ancestry DNA and have been impressed by the quality of matches confirming my research up to 6, 7, 8 generations back. But then I do have a huge tree so the computer has plenty to work with!
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The use of an alias is really not that unusual a find in family history.
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Arthur George Hodson born 16 April 1873 was baptised 2 Jan 1876 at St Botolph, Aldgate.
Parents: George (soldier) and Alice, of 12 Little Somerset St.
Sister baptised at the same time: Caroline, born 4 April 1875.
Could this be Arthur George?
Births 2nd Qrt 1873
Duffield Arthur George H
London C.
1c/ 8
H for Hodson?
Monica
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GRO site:
DUFFIELD, ARTHUR GEORGE HODSON -
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in LONDON CITY Volume 01C Page 8
No maiden name for mother it seems. Birth registered under her name. Explains why Arthur George flipped between surnames (as illegitimate children were known to do).
Monica
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All the things I can't....
Can't see a marriage between Alice Duffield and George Hodson.
Can't see a birth reg for Caroline. However, there is this entry a couple of years later
HODSON, CHARLES - MMN DUFFIELD
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 227
And can't find anything so far for 1881!
Monica
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Charles Hodson b Mar qtr 1877 likely died Jun qtr 1877 Bethnal Green.
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In 1896 a Caroline Hodson is admitted into the City of London workhouse for childbirth.
Caroline Hodson single 21 waitress of 28 Mansell St. Admitted 15 May 1896; discharged 22 June 1896.
Thomas Hodson, born in [work]house 21 May 1896, mother Caroline. Discharged (dead) 17 June 1896.
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Ahh, well that helps with searches. So, we still only have George and Caroline as children to George and Alice. Struggling to find them really in 1881 & 1891.
Monica
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Mmmm...Charles may still be alive, avm228!
Possible marriage for Caroline in 1903 at St James, Shoreditch, Hackney
She shows as Alice Caroline Hodson, aged 26 and a spinster Daughter of George Hodson, a soldier.
She married Thomas O'Brien, a 27 yr old tailor.
A Charles Hodson was a witness to the marriage.
Monica
Added: Looking at later entries for her, she seems to show as either Alice or Caroline.
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I think this is George with sister and mother in 1891 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3TW3-K2M
It looks like mother Alice Duffield married a Thomas Francis Mara - 4th 'Qrt 1885 in Whitechapel, 1c/ 730.
Monica
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OK so Alice Duffield is “40” on marriage (30 Nov 1885) and daughter of James Duffield, a shepherd.
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Alice Caroline Hodson is showing with her mother's sister I think for 1901.
An Elizabeth Duffield married a George Francis Ewen in Hackney in 1875, father James Duffield. George and Elizabeth Francis (no mention of Ewen) are in Hackney with their family for 1901. Niece Alice Hodson is living with them, aged 26 and a waitress.
Elizabeth and sister Alice in Docking Norfolk in 1861 with their parents James and Winifred and siblings.
Monica
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Yes, and by 1871 Alice is in domestic service in London but is a patient in Westminster Hospital on census night. RG10/132/6/6.
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I think Alice Snr was already in London by 1871. Possible entry for her showing as a patient at Westminster Hospital:
Alice Hodson, 23, servant b. Norfolk.
Added: Sorry, post on this crossed over.
She then would have met George Hodson, with whom she had at least 3 children with. She is still missing with the children in 1881. George Hudson, soldier, we know nothing about. Alice went on to marry Thomas O'Mara in 1885 and shows with him and children George and Caroline in 1891. We have some idea of what happened with Alice Caroline , George's sister, from there and also with George who we pick up now from daughter Alice's birth under the surnames of either Duffield or Hodson.
Monica
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The witness Charles Hodson from 1903 isn’t our (deceased!) boy from 1877 I don’t think.
I do think he may be the Charles Hodson who in 1901 is 32 b Bermondsey and in Aldgate stepson of a William Silson? who I think in turn was a witness to the marriage of Arthur George Duffield and Elizabeth Brown in 1891.
My head hurts ;D
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Me too ;D
Charles Hodson may help us in finding out something on George?
But that will have to all wait till tomorrow.
Hate it when we have to be sensible and think of a working day tomorrow!
Monica
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William “Silson” is in fact William Silcox, who married Mary Jane Hodson 22 Sep 1872 Bethnal Green.
William was a bachelor, bootmaker, son of Jacob Silcox, decd.
Mary Jane was a widow, daughter of George Reynolds, builder.
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Mary Jane Reynolds married Charles Hodson on 4 January 1862. She is a widow by 1871 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRFD-5D9
From marriage, father George, a builder, as you found on the second marriage register. Charles is showing as a 24 yr old warehouseman, father a Richard Hodson, farmer.
Have to step further back to find details on George, the soldier, it seems.
Monica
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Charles Hodson snr may have died Mar qtr 1871 St Olave Southwark aged 36.
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OK i think the Hodson family of Over, Cambridgeshire are the link.
1851 shows Richard (a farmer) & Ann with children including Charles 15 and George 4: HO107/1749/310/14.
Later (1871, 1874) there are military desertion records for George Hodson of the Grenadier Guards - born c1847 at Over, Cambridgeshire.
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This is really hotting up now!. Will trawl through the posts and try to find a timeline for Alice, George and Elizabeth (Mother?). Appreciate all your help and posts to date.
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The birth of George Hodson may (unhelpfully) have been registered as Samuel Hodson, mmn Adams, Sep qtr 1846 St Ives. District and mmn are a match for his siblings.
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This may be George Hodson snr in 1881:
21 Stopford Rd, Kennington, Lambeth
George Hodson Head Mar 27 Greengrocer (out of bus.) Cambridgeshire
Sarah do Wife Mar 28 Middlesex
Richard do Son 2 Middlesex
William do Son 7mo Middlesex
RG11/552/15/23.
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I'm losing the thread now. Previously we had
George Hodson was a 34yr old porter of fruit when he was admitted to Stepney workhouse infirmary on 9 June 1907, suffering from mental illness. He was discharged home on 14 June 1907.
He was readmitted aged 37 (labourer) on 20 April 1910, suffering from rheumatism. Home address was 8 Paternoster Row. Wife Elizabeth, and 2 children (Catherine and Alice Winifred). He was discharged on 26 April 1910.
Follow this up (albeit with the name Duffield?) in the 1911 Census then the dates fit well. Still doesn't explain the Hodson/Duffield name enigma. accepting the Duffieldor Hodson as an alias would work, but both seem so random.
Am I way off track here?
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Hodson/Duffield isn’t random, though - he was registered as Arthur George Hodson Duffield at birth in 1873 (but baptised as Hodson, perhaps because his parent(s) didn’t want to admit his illegitimacy in the church context).
Parents were Alice Duffield and her partner (not husband) George Hodson.
See in particular replies 44, 45 - and onwards, where Alice and George snr have been traced further.
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So two baptisms for Arthur George - 2 Nov 1873 (Putney) and 2 Jan 1876 (Aldgate) Both with George Hodson and Alice Hodson (Duffield?). Wonder why twice? - different faiths (Catholic & CoE). Unless the first child died?
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So two baptisms for Arthur George - 2 Nov 1873 (Putney) and 2 Jan 1876 (Aldgate) Both with George Hodson and Alice Hodson (Duffield?). Wonder why twice? - different faiths (Catholic & CoE). Unless the first child died?
It’s the same child, as shown by the birthdate. Both C of E churches. Probably just one of those things - by the time they went to baptise Caroline they had forgotten Arthur George had already been baptised, or George was away the first time and so they did both together in 1876. Unfortunately a baptism record doesn’t tell you whether either parent (or both) were present but I wouldn’t read much into it at all.
Re-baptism shouldn’t happen from a sacramental point of view, but in real life people get things wrong.
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So, in summarising the excellent detective work from AVM228 and MonicaL I have
Arthur George Hodson Duffield Born 1873. London. (Father George Hodson, a soldier - Mother Alice Duffield)
Arthur Married Elizabeth Brown 1891
Daughter Alice Winfred born 1896. London
Daughter Catherine born 1905/6. London (no BC yet)
1911 Census - all 4 living in Spitalfields. London.
Alice Winifred married George Jacklin - Tendring. Essex 1915
Alice Jacklin died 1942 (had 9 children - 4 survived)
I can't yet: could find them in 1901 Census?
what did Alice Winifred do between 1911 and 1915?
work out when/where Arthur died (deceased on Alice's MC in 1915)
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And ......
Admitted to workhouse in Stepney/Tower Hamlets, 21 Apr 1910
Alice Winifred Hodson, 13y 7mo
Catherine Hodson, 5y 8mo
of 8 Paternoster Row.
Parents: Arthur George (in infirmary) and Elizabeth, of 8 Paternoster Row or 40/60? Crispin St.
On 22 April 1910 Catherine Hodson, 5, dau of George and Elizabeth, Roman Catholic, was admitted to the infirmary suffering from bronchitis. Discharged with mother on 26 April.
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No trace of a birth registration for Catherine has been found.
I have revisited the Catherine Quinton, later Hodson, found at reply #14 and she seems to have had maiden surname Smith. She therefore appears to have been a red herring (sorry). More work to be done on finding the right Catherine.
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We had George, wife Elizabeth and Alice showing as Hodson in 1901 earlier. Let me find the entry again to add here.
Added: From medpat earlier:
1901
George Hodson 27 born Aldgate and down as general labourer
Elizabeth Hodson 27 born Aldgate
Alice Hodson 4 born St George's
living at what appears to be Winterton St St Georges in the East
Monica
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what did Alice Winifred do between 1911 and 1915?
work out when/where Arthur died (deceased on Alice's MC in 1915)
From earlier by amv228:
Possible death: Arthur George Duffield aged "37", Dec qtr 1913 Whitechapel.
This death year fits well with George father showing as deceased by 1915 and Alice's marriage.
Also, you had from earlier:
Another possible death: Elizabeth Duffield aged "40", Jun qtr 1916 Whitechapel.
Monica
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How about this for a mangled indexing for Catherine's birth?
HOGSDON, CATHERINE KATE mmn BRANCH
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 653
Monica
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How about this for a mangled indexing for Catherine's birth?
HOGSDON, CATHERINE KATE mmn BRANCH
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 653
Monica
Regrettably I don’t think she’s ours!
She can be traced separately - spends time in the workhouse with sister Olive.
Olive Hogsdon mmn Branch, Jun qtr 1900 Poplar.
Parents John Hogsdon and Charlotte Branch married Jun qtr 1898 Poplar.
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Not mangled then but perfectly indexed it seems!
Catherine remains awol doesn't she :-\
Monica
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This is a possible death for Arthur George's mother Alice:
Deaths 2nd Qrt 1896
Alice Mara 48 Mile End - 1c/ 297
And possible too for her husband:
Deaths 1st 1900
Thomas Francis Mara 47 Poplar - 1c/ 454
We had them in 1891 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3TW3-F6Z
Can't see any trace of them in 1901 so may well have died between the censuses.
Monica
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now got copy of BC for Duffield, Arthur George Hodson. All fits well. Ordered BC for Alice Winifred Duffield (Hodson). if all works well then the Alice Hodson enigma will be solved (after 2 years of searching). Fingers crossed!. Then its back in the generations. Thanks to all for help so far.
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Let us know how you get on ;)
Monica
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Hi,
I found this baptism that could be Catherine,
England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
DUFFIELD
7 Paternoster Rd Spital
Birth date: 08 Aug 1903
Baptism date: 23 Sep 1903
Catherine DUFFIELD
Parents: George & Elizabeth DUFFIELD mmn: BROWN
Godparents: testio? Richard HILL, Alice Winifred DUFFIELD
Church St Anne
Deanery Tower Hamlets
Ecclesiastical province Westminster
Parish Underwood Road
Diocese Westminster
County Middlesex
and this Catherine HODSON with the same DOB,
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Hackney, Hamond Square School
Admission and Discharge Register for Infants
24.08.08
HODSON Catherine
Parent: George
6 Little Essex St
DOB: 08.08.03
18.09.08 Removed
Regards,
Daisy
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Looks very likely for Catherine. Great find, Daisypetal ;)
Monica
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Great find Daisy,
another part of the Jigsaw. I've now tracked Alice Hodson (Duffield) back two more generations. The Catherine link is another track to follow. I have Both Alice & Catherine in 1911 (under the name Duffield) in Spitalfields.
Jamesgeorge
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Hi,
You might have already seen this but just in case :)
It does seem to verify that Elizabeth was married to George DUFFIELD/HODSON,
London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Tower Hamlets, Stepney
LMA Ref: STBG/WH/123/046
Date: 1911 Friday 4th August
DUFFIELD Elizabeth alias HOD??N
Age: 34
Admitted from: 31 Linaker? St
Own or friends home: 1
Wife of George
Calling: ? Market Porter
Cause of admission: Dropsy & Abscess of Breast
Religion: RC
By whom Admitted: COWARD?
Time admitted: 10.40
Ward admitted to: E2 1
Settlement: 6 weeks?
Date of Discharge: 12.10.11
Remarks: Husband to my? address
Sister Mrs SKELT, 1 Mansell Passage, Mansell St, Aldgate
This shows that it was the Whitechapel Infirmary,
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/75059c13-dbb9-47dc-a263-33dcc789486a
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That’s a great find.
Mrs Skelt of 1 Mansell Passage was Mary Skelt, b City of London abt 1862-3, wife of George Skelt.
She is Mary A or Mary Ann Skelt in some records, including at death Sep qtr 1916 Whitechapel aged 53.
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George Skelt married Mary Brown, Dec qtr 1882 Whitechapel 1c 862.
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Hi
Re George Hodson born 1846 Over, Cambridgeshire
On Ancestry he appears in records of Fold3, if you have world access you can see the entries which appeared in the Police Gazatte re his desertion.
Desertion. 11.2.1871. Age 24 born abt 1847 Over. Published (police gazette) 6.3.1871
Regimental number 2522
Desertion 2.12.1874 Age 28 born 1846 Over. Published 21.12.1874 Regimental number 3234
Both entries state Grenadier Guards.
If any one has full access, these records may give other info.
Spendlove
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Hi all,
great finds!.
the next challenge is to find a BC or baptism for George Hodson on Over, (Cambridgeshire or Huntingdonshire) around 1846. I've got one for Jan 1847, but this is Sawtry and I think he died in 1854! (I'm pretty sure George died in London in 1897)
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the next challenge is to find a BC or baptism for George Hodson on Over, (Cambridgeshire or Huntingdonshire) around 1846.
See my previous suggestion at reply #63.
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Hi AVM228,
I did follow this up previously, but will refresh my notes, certainly Richard Hodson was married to Anne Adams so this fits with the 1851 & census and this birth record, apart from the name 'Samuel' (rather than George)- I will get BC and check again,
Thanks
JamesGeorge
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Hi
The marriage is
Richard Hodson = Ann Adams 24 August 1825, both of parish of Over at time of marriage by Bsnns.
This info from Family Search with Image. One of the witnesses was Warren Adams!
Lots of records for Over all with images.
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Over,_Cambridgeshire_Genealogy
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Hi Spendlove, Thanks,
I have these records (marriage and Census), its the BC for George Hodson 1846 thats difficult to trace. I’m looking into a BC with the name of ‘Samuel’ Hodson in 1846 with the MMN of Adams,
I will let you know
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Hi,
I do not think there is a problem with the Bpt for George Hodson, he was Bpt 27 Sept 1853 at Over.
The records do not show this was a late Bpt., however if you compare Bpt for the other children of Richard and Ann there are others that were late being Bpt
Name. Approx birth year on census Bpt at Over
Ann 1826 9,4.1826
William. 1828. 30.3.1828. Bur 19.2.1862
Martin. 1830. 8.4. 1832. 25.11.1826
Eliza. 1833. 21.7.1833
Charles. 1836. 17.9.1843
Harriet. 1837 ? 11.11.1849. 28.12.1852 aged 8
George. 1846. 27.9.1853
Easy to search all the above on find my past
Just wondered if you had noticed that when George first leaves home, on 1861 Census Chelsea he is living with Windsor Vokes and family lSchool master late of Over.
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Hi Spendlove,
I did know about the Bpt’ms - it’s the BC thats difficult to track. I also knew about George in Windsor in 1861 - he went on to join the army from there and appears in the 1871 census in the Grenadier Guards. Seems to have gone through a couple of desertion trials in the late 1870’s.
I’m sure this is the right George, but may have been registered under a different first name - I’m researching this,
as always thanks for the detective work
JamesGeorge
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Hi
The only way to discover the details of the Samuel Hodson registered 1846 in St. Ives is to purchase the birth registration certificate.
Have you managed to access the fold 3, army records? Sorry I do not have premium sub but it may give you other info.
I have searched the national archives catalogue for George H, but he does not appear.
Spendlove
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Hi Spendlove, I’m waiting for a copy of the BC. Fold3 doesn’t hold much more than I’ve already got.
Watch this space
JamesGeorge
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HI All,
now got the BC for 'Samuel' Hodson 25-07-1846 (Over, Cambridge). Father is Richard Hodson and Mother Ann Adams. Therefore all the Census records etc look spot on - date wise! however, the census records use the name 'George' and this tracks all the way until his death. So, the question is where did the name 'Samuel' come from?. I've looked to see if Richard & Ann had an older child 'George' that died and Samuel adopted his name - but no joy here. Of course he could have been called Samuel George or George Samuel (not on BC!) and adopted the second name. It may be that he was never registered as George on any BC!. Certainly baptised as George in 1853 (see Spendlove comment) Appreciate any thoughts
JamesGeorge
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The most likely explanation is the simplest - that they called him Samuel at birth but then, for whatever reason, changed their minds and preferred George.
At that time identification documents were rarely, if ever, used by most people. He may never have known that he had been registered in a different name.
My aunt and uncle also had a change of heart over a name choice for a son and had to re-announce it. Fortunately he hadn't yet been registered.
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Hi avm228,
I agree with your view that the simplest explanation is the most likely - I’ve seen this elsewhere on a couple of occasions.
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I have spent 20+ years looking for my late father-in-law's twin brother. Last month i purchased both birth certificates only to find they were the same person. My late father-in-law was named Gordon.
Certificate says; born 1912
Name if any; John
Informant; Father
Baptismal name if added after Registration; Gordon.
He was always know as Gordon.
So the simplest explanation is likely.
Hope this helps
Carol