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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: James2you on Wednesday 26 June 19 17:22 BST (UK)
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Starting at the beginning.... I have a ring dating back to the above`s reign.. but struggling to find anything at all about the history regarding the ring.. There were two pieces made, a Tiarra with 9 diamonds set in the head piece & a ring which I have, the diamonds were set in such a way they spelt out the name Knoblauch... it is the same with the Tiarra, but this is sadly missing... I have photos of said ring which I can share....Would really appreciate anyone`s help with this or failing that where else to try....
Thanking you in advance
John
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Google Knoblauch and you will find one born 1792.
There were Jewish connections.
Knoblauch is German for garlic,but also a surname.
You may see some connection that others won’t as we have no other information.
Hope you solve the puzzle.
Viktoria.
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Hi Viktoria, thanks for that, I am actually trying to help a neighbour with this, I did google the name but I got so many Knolauch, , is it possible you could find the name , because I do have a name, I wondered if it were one and the same, Adolph otto Von Knoblauch... I do have limited resources..
It would be so nice to find out as much as possible regarding the family and possibly the connection to the Jewellery .
Thanks again Viktoria
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I cannot visualise a tiara with the word Knoblauch in diamonds,likewise the ring.
There was,when I googled Knoblauch , a tiara called The Oldenburg tiara,worn by The Queen of Greece. But if course there were German connections.
The tiara is / was lovely ,just stars in space for want of a better description.
Is it possible as there was a name incorporated in the tiara and ring that it could be an advertising set ?The jeweller being Knoblauch.
I really doubt that a society lady would wear something with a name ,even her own.
There is a composer,Danish .
How did you come by the ring and the info,if that is not too personal a question? I t might help to make some connections if you could explain .
Viktoria.
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Thankyou very much Viktoria, I will speak with my Neighbour and get back to you..
Thanks Again
John
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I really doubt that a society lady would wear something with a name ,even her own.
I can't agree with you about that. Initials of flowers and gemstones have been used to spell personal messages and names for centuries.
If I took a wild guess I would suggest that a ring and tiara could have been a present to Mr and Mrs Knoblauch on their wedding.
Philip
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Hi Philip, thanks for the help, it could be a good point the Jewellery given to a Couple on their wedding day, I think now that Knoblauch was a General and around the time of the Kaiser, he gave the name of Von , so Adolph Otto Van Knoblauch... wondered about any wars or conflicts around the 1759 time... might help.... The Diamonds in the Ring deffinately spell out the surname of Knoblauch..
The Neighbour(whom I am trying to help) has German descendants and were at one time friendly with the Knoblauch family and their descendants.... Sorry about this but bits seem to come out in dribs & drabs... All I know is the lady tried to find out about this ring, our local jewellers would offer her upwards of £2000 to take it off her hands,, but not really serious about it... The lady is very keen to learn more about the history & that is why I thought there is only One place to go... Rootschat... the People on there are Brilliant..
Thanks again everyone
John
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I wish we knew how many diamonds there are in the ring.
Knoblauch is a longish word, and how big is the ring to take a full word unless the word goes all the way round like an eternity ring
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Initials and symbolic flowers are very different to full words.
( I am visualising H. M with Queenie on a tiara,I don’t think ;D)
“ Love” maybe ,or a message engraved on the inside of a ring but a full name which can be seen in diamonds?
Until we see a picture I can not imagine what it could be like.
Perhaps James can find out more and post a photograph and whether Von or Van is part of the family name,or if it changed from Von to Van.
Viktoria.
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Sorry , struggling to post pictures.... it says they are too big,``error`
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Not sure what to do or even what is allowed, am I allowed to post to an email Address ?
I have tried a single photo, Error Occurred, sorry but I'm not that good with this
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Don´t know if this is any help. These are Knoblauch´s of old Prussian nobility
http://worldhistory.de/wnf/navbar/wnf.php?oid=16787&sid=
Dave
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From that it would seem to be Von, Van is more Dutch and also Flemish.
I have looked and looked but nothing seems to fit the bill re a tiara and a ring with a word in diamonds.
I am looking forward to seeing it when James manages to post a photograph.
He is struggling to do that, I haven’t a clue so would more than struggle!
Cheerio
Viktoria.
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I think now that Knoblauch was a General and around the time of the Kaiser, he gave the name of Von , so Adolph Otto Van Knoblauch... wondered about any wars or conflicts around the 1759 time... might help.
Seven Years War 1756-1763. It was a global conflict. Third Silesian War was part of it.
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I remember East Germany abolished titles, they got rid of them Von by Von! ;D
Skoosh.
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Yeah! They carted them all away in a wolksvagen wan.
Wan by wan;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Wiktoria.
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The best way to research this is - of course - to do the full ancestry research if this is really a family piece. Everything else would most likely be speculation
"Von Knoblauch" could mean that the family originated most likely from a village called "Knoblauch" ( https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoblauch_(Ketzin/Havel) ). And, you'd assume that a poor family would not have tiaras, so maybe the noble family "Von Knoblauch" could be a possibility (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoblauch_(Adelsgeschlecht) )
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I am pretty sure Knoblauch is German for garlic,that is not to say it is not a noble name,but the suggestion it is from a place name would seem more likely given the Von.
Hope you get further with this as we too are interested .
Best of luck .
Viktoria.
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It is becoming very difficult to find the history behind this piece of Jewellery, but I did laugh at your Wolkswagen wolf joke..more over how do tell a Blind Man on a Nudist Beach... Its not hard... sorry
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Well he might be the only one dressed?
He might be buried up to his neck in sand?
Tell him what?
He is the only one wearing sunglasses.
I won’t sleep now,,,
Come on - before Skoosh sends one of his naughty Caledonian posts.
Ah - Is he the only one wearing a sporran?
Errrr, mmmm, no can’t fathom it.
Viktoria.
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His dog
Well he might be the only one dressed?
He might be buried up to his neck in sand?
Tell him what?
He is the only one wearing sunglasses.
I won’t sleep now,,,
Come on - before Skoosh sends one of his naughty Caledonian posts.
Ah - Is he the only one wearing a sporran?
Errrr, mmmm, no can’t fathom it.
Viktoria.
Is this something to do with his dog.?
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why do Blind people wear Sunglasses ?
It`s a bit like the Irishman who bought a pool Table, he sent it back after 4 days, the water kept coming up through the pockets....
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why do Blind people wear Sunglasses ?
It`s a bit like the Irishman who bought a pool Table, he sent it back after 4 days, the water kept coming up through the pockets....
This is s serious answer,Some blindness is also accompanied by painful eye
conditions and glaring sunlight can be a nuisance to partially sighted people.
The dark glasses are also an instant signal to sighted people that someone is blind or partially sighted.
At the moment the bright sunshine means when I go outside I am totally unable to see for a good while when back inside.
Glaucoma,cataracts forming and drops for dry eye all exacerbate the problem,or the other way round.
I must use sunglasses as it is quite dangerous especially when I have been boozing!!!
Cheerio ,Viktoria.
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I was just having a think about the name on the tiara. I do not know how obvious the word is, but personally I would not want to walk around with my surname on my head (nor - to make Viktoria happy - with a plant from the Allium family).
However I could see a jeweller making such a piece for training or demonstration purposes ....
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I agree and too thought it might have been an advertisement.
It is quite intriguing and very kind of James to do ,this on another’s behalf.
Viktoria.
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If I can help then I will, but if I cant I turn to guys on here. but then doesn't everyone want to help someone.......I remember when I first started, people were very helpful, no idiots at all... but I guess with this I need a lot more info in order for the help... a ToyTown Jeweller is offering £2000 + for the ring.. we are not that interested in the money at the moment, we came on this site, because people have found & helped with information on so many occasions If its worth that amount in a back street Jewellers in Grantham then maybe it has some provenance elsewhere.... we would really love to find its history.....
Thanks guys
John
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Have you had the gold/silver marks identified yet? That should confirm time/place and maybe the maker.
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Hello Mate, there is no hall mark..the pictures I have are too large to post.. sorry, don't know how to resize and not allowed to give out email on here
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Sending P.M
Viktoria.
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The Antiques Roadshow? ;D
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yes I thought about it........facts are everything... all I have is 4/5 generation clues at best... I don't blame some...I do have the ring and some ancestry...