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Title: North China Herald
Post by: seemex on Wednesday 26 June 19 17:59 BST (UK)
I'm wondering if anyone has a working link to the archives for the North China Herald newspaper? I've seen a few posted but all seem to be dead ( 404 ) I know there are subscription accesses such as Newpapers.com and Brill, but there is supposed to be a searchable index someplace, to narrow the focus a bit.
Thanks,
Brian Beesley
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: TreeSpirit on Friday 28 June 19 21:32 BST (UK)

This one?: https://primarysources.brillonline.com/browse/north-china-herald-online
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: seemex on Saturday 29 June 19 04:47 BST (UK)
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. Now all I need to do is find my way around the $39 per day access fee! :)
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: TreeSpirit on Saturday 29 June 19 14:58 BST (UK)

It seems that one of my many memberships includes access to this newspaper. No promises, but I'll give it a try if you send me a PM with a couple of lookup requests. 

Note: cut and paste the whole info from that index so I know for sure that I've got the right article
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: seemex on Saturday 29 June 19 22:34 BST (UK)
Thank you so much. I will check through the search section for any appropriate headers and copy any that I think might be relevant. I had family in northern China, Shanghai and Tientsin but also in Foochow from the mid 1800s. My GGF went to Foochow in 1865 but moved around some...probably in the off seasons for tea shipments.
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: seemex on Monday 08 July 19 21:21 BST (UK)
Hi,
     I found these three listings. I'm trying now to find the name of James Clark's wife. One appears to be a birth of a daughter, then a marriage of a daughter and the other possibly the death of his wife. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Brian


Volume 1906 - Issue 2014 (1906-03-16)
Collection: The North China Herald Online
Date: 1906
Match: Text

Text: ...ond daughter of Mr. James Clark, Customs Service. (Floms papers, pleas: copy.) DEATHS. REIMERS On the 9th 1906, at the ',General Hospital, Elisabeth Reimers, nee Hoenig, beloved wife of Paul Reimers, aged 35 years.. THOMAS.On March, at Shanghai, China, George Rhys Owen, the infant son f Mr. and Mrs....

Volume 1906 - Issue 2051 (1906-11-30)
Collection: The North China Herald Online
Date: 1906
Match: Text

Text: ...l Road, the wife of James Clark, I. M.. C.. of a daughter. DEATH. SCHWYZER.On November at the General Hospital, Shanghaii Ethel Louise (Dolly)) the dearly beloved wife Francis Schwyzer,, aged 27 years.. CONSUL Law i:EPORTS-—IMPORTS H. Supreme Court - Wong Yoa-kee v. G. Grove....-... 502250 Diederich...

Volume 1910 - Issue 2242 (1910-07-29)
Collection: The North China Herald Online
Date: 1910
Match: Text

Text: ...eth beloved wife of James Clark, I. IC Customs, aged forty-seven yews., DE SENNA.On July 25, 1910, at 107 Chapoo Road,, C:audeeCiaud Louis, the infant son Mr. anddan Mrs. C. M. de Senna..Senna KINGSMILL.On July 26,,26 1910, at No. 3.. Yuhang Road,, Shanghai, Thomas William Kings- mill, aged 73 years...

One more!
Volume 1910 - Issue 2242 (1910-07-29)
Collection: The North China Herald Online
Date: 1910
Match: Text

Text: ...of Moat Lodge, Co.. Galway, Ireland. METEOROLOGICAL REPORT.. DEATHS,.SHTAED CLARKOn at General Hospital, Shanghai, theeth beloved wife of James Clark, I. IC Customs, aged forty-seven yews., DE SENNA.On July 25, 1910, at 107 Chapoo Road,, C:audeeCiaud Louis, the infant son Mr. anddan Mrs. C. M. de

Volume 1910 - Issue 2261 (1910-12-09)
Collection: The North China Herald Online
Date: 1910
Match: Text

Text: ...h Hall, Liverpool.. GUIGNARD-C L A.R K.-On 'Ina'? day, December 6, 1910, at S1- Joseph's r hurch, by the Betr- Father Lemercier, George The°-' dote Guignard, son of the Ist° Theodore Guignard, Rose Louise the late James Clark, Shaughtti- HIDE-JANSEN.---On December it 1910, at H. B. General, Shanghai...
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: TreeSpirit on Thursday 11 July 19 15:35 BST (UK)
The wife’s name is never mentioned, but she dies on 24 Jul 1910 in Shanghai aged 47 as the beloved wife of James Clark I.M. Customs.

On 27 Nov 1906 the wife of James Clark, I.M.C. has a daughter

On 9 Mar 1906 the second daughter Charlotte Ida Clark second daughter of James Clark I.M. Customs service marries James Bell Taylor.
Note#1: Ancestry has the father as “James Charles Taylor.
Note#2: Charlotte divorces late 1919 in San Francisco. The paper mentions that her son is 10Y and that James Bell Taylor is a Shanghai automobile dealer.

Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: seemex on Thursday 11 July 19 17:37 BST (UK)
Thank you so much! That gives me new leads to follow up on. There was quite a range of ages with the James Clark offspring, with one being born and another getting married so close together. I was trying to justify the ages as she would be very young...I figured 16, but I see the marriage shows her as 17 so I guess its the correct party. Also her witnesses were her father  and her brother in law Kenneth McKelvie, so I know that part is correct. Nice new leads!
Good job! :)
Thanks again
Brian
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: seemex on Thursday 11 July 19 19:31 BST (UK)
Thank you so much! That gives me new leads to follow up on. There was quite a range of ages with the James Clark offspring, with one being born and another getting married so close together. I was trying to justify the ages as she would be very young...I figured 16, but I see the marriage shows her as 17 so I guess its the correct party. Also her witnesses were her father  and her brother in law Kenneth McKelvie, so I know that part is correct. Nice new leads!
Good job! :)
Thanks again
Brian
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: TreeSpirit on Thursday 11 July 19 19:33 BST (UK)
I’d seen the marriage between Emily Ellen Clark and Kenneth McKelvie (14 May 1909) as well. At the time  I wasn’t sure about it because the article mentioned that Emily was also a second daughter of “Mr and Mrs James Clark of Shanghai” and because it did not mention his job like everywhere else (and I’d seen a different James Clark in some of the other papers).
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: TreeSpirit on Thursday 11 July 19 19:55 BST (UK)
Have you seen this grave transcription?:
"...JAMES CHARLES CLARK 17-3-1856 16-8-1910 / Wife / IDA 25-5-1863 24-7-1910 / Infant daughter / LAURA WINIFRED 28-10-1906 28-8-1908"
source: https://gwulo.com/node/8740
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: seemex on Thursday 11 July 19 20:10 BST (UK)
I hadn't seen the Gwulo ref as I was not looking at HK. I think these are all references to the same family but I just need to reconcile the dates, places, etc. Some I got from newspaper items but maybe the burial and grave inscriptions are more accurate. Will check HK sources too.
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: TreeSpirit on Thursday 11 July 19 20:17 BST (UK)
photo: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/160931503
Title: Re: North China Herald
Post by: seemex on Thursday 11 July 19 20:39 BST (UK)
Interesting that they are all listed on the Guignard plot. I wonder if what looks to be three drawers or compartments stacked behind the inscription, contain the ashes as I believe some of them died in Shanghai? Theodore Guignard or the son George Theodore was in the auto business and had the Renault dealership for at least north China, maybe all of China. J B Taylor was involved or owned Central Garage in HK and also had branch operations in Shanghai I think. The son was also in the auto business.
Another Guignard ( Rene ) was the accounts man for General Motors for China and was later based in Switzerland.
They are all connected.