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Really struggling to trace my paternal Grandfather's parentage.My Grandfather , Harry George William Vernon was born 11 February 1907 to a Harry James Vernon ( pianoforte fitter-up) & Sarah Amy Vernon (formerly Cook).20 Manor Gardens Islington.
My Grandfather spoke very little about his childhood but stated that he had much older sisters & that his father was in his sixties when he was born.
It appears Sarah Amy was married previously & had 6 children.Three were stated living in the 1911 census.Living with her were Emma 18, Nellie 13 & my Grandfather Harry aged 5.It appears Sarah Amy was married to a George Edwin Bolton in 1887 & the girls were his.
I cannot find evidence of divorce or death for George Edwin Bolton or birth/marriage/death for Harry James Vernon.
I cannot find trace of my Grandfather after the age of five until he marries in his twenties.
I note another RootsChat member doing a similar search a year ago & have added a message to thread but not sure if she still uses the site.
I would so dearly love to understand what happened & why Harry James Vernon is so elusive!
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat.
Tracy L was last online in April 2018,but as long as she hasn't changed her email address will be notified that you have posted on her thread and hopefully come back with a reply for you.
This is the original thread incase anyone wants to make a start looking at what has already been found. https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=638689.msg6761342#msg6761342
Carol
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Hi Carol, thank you so much :)
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To summarise the family (previous thread link posted by carol8353) and add detail:
Harry G W VERNON born Mar qtr 1907 Islington vol 1b p189 (11 Feb). Parents Harry James VERNON and Sarah Amy VERNON (formerly COOK)
Sarah Amy COOK married George Edwin BOLTON Dec qtr 1887 Islington vol 1b p461
BOLTON/COOK children (as per GRO index):
Amy Elizabeth Mar qtr 1888 Holborn vol 1b p802 (bapt 1893)
Maud Alice Dec qtr 1889 Holborn vol 1b p760 d Jun qtr 1890 Holborn age 0
Mary Emma Sep qtr 1891 Shoreditch vol 1c p87 (bapt 1892 d Mar qtr 1892 Holborn age 0
Emma Ethel Sep qtr 1893 Holborn vol 1b p675 (bapt 1893)
Edwin William Dec qtr 1894 Holborn vol 1b p723 d Mar qtr 1895 age 0
Jennie Alice Jun qtr 1896 Holborn vol 1b p736 d Sep qtr 1896 Holborn age 0
Nellie Maud Mar qtr 1898 Holborn vol 1b p746
Henry James Jun qtr 1899 Holborn vol 1b p768 ?d Sep qtr 1899 Pancras age 0
(NOTE: the entries in italics are confirmed by baptism records or censuses, the others are "probables" as the parents' first names are not known)
Two children appear on censuses with grandparents William & Elizabeth COOK - 1891: Amy (3), 1901: Amy (13) and Nellie (3)
The 1911 census shows Amy VERNON (presumably Sarah Amy) age 43 born Birmingham together with Emma age 18, Nellie age 13, and Harry age 5. They are in the household of Alfred GROSCH, 49, head, housepainter, born Barnesbury.
This gives a probable birth for Sarah Amy COOK, Mar qtr 1888 Aston vol 6d p620 mmn NEWBOULD
Harry James VERNON was described on son Harry's birth certificate as a "pianoforte fitter-up" but has not yet been found on censuses.
The main unanswered questions seem to be:
Did Sarah Amy COOK/VERNON marry Harry James VERNON?
Can Sarah Amy and a spouse be found on the 1891 and 1901 censuses?
Can Harry James VERNON be found on any census? An age and birthplace are essential to trace his parentage.
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Hi Philip, thank you for your help.
My Grandfather talked to my father about a piano businesses and musical soirees in the evenings.In the previous thread a Harry James Vernon appears to be linked to a number of different alias' but it seems unlikely that this is the same man as My Grandfather's father was in his sixties in 1907 when he was born .
1909 is the earliest record I can unearth of him living in 20 Manor Gardens Islington & 1929 the last record.Before and after these times he vanishes.Very frustrating!
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The Sarah Amy Cook and George Edwin Bolton marriage is on Ancestry- it was at St John The Baptist Islington on 2nd Oct 1887.
Sarah age 20 a spinster of 29 Orchard Street father Wiliam Henry Cook scale maker.
George also 20 bach,confectioner also of 20 Orchard Street father George William Bolton engineer.
Witnesses...Henry Garrett and Amy Garrett.
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Yes,Sarah Amy is reasonably easy to trace -it's Harry James that is so difficult.Did George Edwin Bolton Die or did they divorce? Did Sarah Amy ever marry Harry James Vernon..at one point all the family are listed as Vernons including the older girls-my Grandfather's step sisters.
My Grandfather told my father that we were from the Haddon Hall Vernon line & related to Admiral Edward Vernon.
I have tried working from that side to try & meet in the middle somewhere but with no joy :(
Nobody on Ancestry seems to have my Grandfather or his Father on their trees.It's so odd and perplexing.
I need a major break through!
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When and where did Sarah Amy die?
Who was the informant of her death?
Was there a will or published obituary?
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Oh I had forgotten about this mystery man! Let's hope we can get further with him than we did in 2013.
Welcome from me too :)
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Hmmm...heywood..I don't know.They all seem to disappear in 1929!
The older girls can be found but nobody else.
I have contacted people on Ancestry that have Sarah Amy and the daughters on their trees but nobody has information about Sarah's death or what happened to George Edwin or the existance of Harry James and my Grandfather.The latter don't appear on anyone's tree & nobody appears to be searching for them.
Imagine my excitement when I ordered my Grandfathers birth certificate & typed in Harry James Vernon pianoforte fitter Islington 1907 & TracyL's old thread appeared on Google! I thought at last the mystery might be solved.Ho hum! :P
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Hi avm228....any help VERY much appreciated.I would love to crack this for my Father and myself!My Grandfather was a bit of an enigma...but that's another story! ;D
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I don't think we did much on George Edwin Bolton last time around and he will need "tidying up".
Birth reg seems to be as George Edwin Bolton, mother's maiden name Marshall, Dec qtr 1865 St Saviour Southwark 1d 22.
He's with parents George and Eliza in South Stoneham, Hants in 1871, but the family returns to London later on I think as his younger sister Sophia Theresa Bolton born 1869 Southampton dies in Islington in 1876.
1871 ref: RG10/1198/44/40.
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I don't think we did much on George Edwin Bolton last time around and he will need "tidying up".
Birth reg seems to be as George Edwin Bolton, mother's maiden name Marshall, Dec qtr 1865 St Saviour Southwark 1d 22.
He's with parents George and Eliza in South Stoneham, Hants in 1871, but the family returns to London later on I think as his younger sister Sophia Theresa Bolton born 1869 Southampton dies in Islington in 1876.
1871 ref: RG10/1198/44/40.
I looked at this George earlier,but discounted him as Claire seemed to think that her great grandad was in his 60's when grandad was born and this one would only be 42?
Hmmm not sure ;D
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The Sarah Amy Cook and George Edwin Bolton marriage is on Ancestry- it was at St John The Baptist Islington on 2nd Oct 1887.
Sarah age 20 a spinster of 29 Orchard Street father Wiliam Henry Cook scale maker.
George also 20 bach,confectioner also of 20 Orchard Street father George William Bolton engineer.
Witnesses...Henry Garrett and Amy Garrett.
Amy Garrett was George Edwin Bolton's sister, married as Amy Augustus Bolton to Henry Garrett at St John the Baptist, Islington on 1 August 1886.
Witnesses: Charles Ford & Clara Ford. (In turn this is likely to be older sister Clara Bolton, marr Charles Ford Dec qtr 1884 St Olave).
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I don't think we did much on George Edwin Bolton last time around and he will need "tidying up".
Birth reg seems to be as George Edwin Bolton, mother's maiden name Marshall, Dec qtr 1865 St Saviour Southwark 1d 22.
He's with parents George and Eliza in South Stoneham, Hants in 1871, but the family returns to London later on I think as his younger sister Sophia Theresa Bolton born 1869 Southampton dies in Islington in 1876.
1871 ref: RG10/1198/44/40.
I looked at this George earlier,but discounted him as Claire seemed to think that her great grandad was in his 60's when grandad was born and this one would only be 42?
Hmmm not sure ;D
Discounted him as being the same person as Harry James Vernon you mean? Yes, there are certainly problems with that hypothesis. But then again perhaps we may need to apply flexibility to the family recollection if the evidence shows that GEB disappears into nowhere at the same time as HJV appears out of nowhere!
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Silly me I forgot to take the witnesses further :-[
So looks like you're not correct thinking that great grandad was in his 60's Claire 8)
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I don't think we did much on George Edwin Bolton last time around and he will need "tidying up".
Birth reg seems to be as George Edwin Bolton, mother's maiden name Marshall, Dec qtr 1865 St Saviour Southwark 1d 22.
He's with parents George and Eliza in South Stoneham, Hants in 1871, but the family returns to London later on I think as his younger sister Sophia Theresa Bolton born 1869 Southampton dies in Islington in 1876.
1871 ref: RG10/1198/44/40.
I looked at this George earlier,but discounted him as Claire seemed to think that her great grandad was in his 60's when grandad was born and this one would only be 42?
Hmmm not sure ;D
Discounted him as being the same person as Harry James Vernon you mean? Yes there are certainly problems with that hypothesis. But then again perhaps we may need to apply flexibility to the family recollection if the evidence shows that GEB disappears into nowhere at the same time as HJV appears out of nowhere!
No I discounted his as being the correct George Edwin Vernon (supposedly in his 60's when grandad was born in 1907) But obviously it fits (bar a couple of years) to the 1887 marriage to Sarah Amy Cook.
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Ignore me I've lost the plot............I need food. ;D ;D ;D
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Gaaah! I am going the pianoforte route.......there was a William Vernon pianoforte maker at 15 Plumbers Row ,City Rd London.Also a Charles Venables in Essex Rd Islington ( there was a Venables Vernon line).
George Edwin was said to be a confectioner whereas Harry James is a piano fitter upper- in keeping with what my Grandfather talked of.Father was elderly and had a large circle of musical friends that would come to their home.
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Also searching for Vernons in Islington hoping to find a sibling/parent for Harry James.Doesn't help that often Verson seems to have been miss spelled Bermon :-\
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There is this death
March quarter 1932 Islington vol 1b pg 461
Sarah A Vernon 77 yrs (birth abt 1855)
The age is out though.
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Gaaah! I am going the pianoforte route.......there was a William Vernon pianoforte maker at 15 Plumbers Row ,City Rd London.Also a Charles Venables in Essex Rd Islington ( there was a Venables Vernon line).
George Edwin was said to be a confectioner whereas Harry James is a piano fitter upper- in keeping with what my Grandfather talked of.Father was elderly and had a large circle of musical friends that would come to their home.
George Edwin Bolton was a confectioner on marriage in 1887, but not for long. He was an engineer on the 1892 and 1893 baptisms of his children found on the old thread. It’s still a leap to piano-related work but as technical work it’s not inconceivable that he moved into that sort of job.
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There is this death
March quarter 1932 Islington vol 1b pg 461
Sarah A Vernon 77 yrs (birth abt 1855)
The age is out though.
I think she could be Sarah Ann Vernon buried 11th March 1932
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
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Yes don't think that could be her.
Have managed to track down the great-great grandson of Amy Elizabeth-Sarah Amy Cook & George Edwin's daughter born in 1888.He has a birth certificate showing Amy Elizabeth as his great grandfather's mother.Hoping feverently that he may know some more.Surely there will be some family gossip passed down through the years?!! ;D
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Ignore me I've lost the plot............I need food. ;D ;D ;D
restore a plot is an anagram of reel pot roast ;D ;D ;D
(this is why my family history takes so long to find - my mind wanders off in weird directions).
But seriously - don't discount the idea of a name change. After many years of me headbutting a brick wall Rootschatters proved that my g-grandfather had changed his name (after deserting from the Navy - shock! horror!)
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I know...it would kind of make sense but I have DNA matches to Vernons so this makes me question a name change.Odd that my Grandfather doesn't appear on anyone elses trees but Mother and sisters do.I would have thought this would indicate another Father and some sort of scandal.
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As we know he's around in London till 1929,then vanishes, I wonder if he did something 'naughty' and changed his name to escape the publicity?
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Yes I wondered that but cannot find a birth for him either! There are Vernons in Islington at the time..just trying to find a connection.
My Grandfather was a bit of a mystery.He met and (supposedly married- I cannot find a record) my Grandmother and had my Father a year later.He left them when my Father was 6 years old.About twelve years ago we discovered that he was married previously and had son & had again left without trace when this child was six.
He talked very little of his early life other than being based in Islington,having TB as a young child,having much older sisters that he didn't know very well & a father in his sixties who was musical & in the piano business.He hinted that there had been money in his younger years.He had a large circle of musical/theatrical friends & evening soirees!
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FULHAM CHRONICLE 11 Dec 1942 Harry James Vernon - see below
HARRY STANTIFORD THOMPSON
All persons having any claim against the Estate of Harry Stantiford Thompson, otherwise Harry James Vernon, Harry Ashcroft, Henry Redaile(?) Gordon late of 40 Grosvenor Road Chiswick who died 8 Feb 1942 and who...….(goes on to name the relevant bank etc.)
I have found reference to the death of Henry S Thompson age 64 in Brentford in 1Q 1942.
Also Harry Stantiford Thompson married either Kate Florence Peters or Clara Darlow in Croydon 3Q 1907.
Not sure what 'otherwise' in the above means - did he use a lot of aliases?? - lots of 'Harry's'!!!
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There is a musical George Vernon b Islington and living in Hackney.
He seems to remain single through censuses, although I haven't found him in 1891.
1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-K784
1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9HR-ZGN
1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWGW-YMF
Possible death in Hackney, 1940.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVH1-P11N
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zetlander..yes we came across that Harry in a previous thread but dates dont tally up as my Grandfather was born to Harry James & Sarah Amy Cook in 1907 and my Grandfather said his father was in his sixties,much older than his mother.
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Heywood..this is interesting-thankyou! George is a pianoforte maker.His father is William.
There was a William Vernon piano forte makers I spoke of in a previous post.
Hmmmmmm...now where does it all join up????? ???
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Have found Harry James Vernon in 1906 living in two rooms at 204 Great College St ,St Pancras- a W.Clarke lives here too- this is a year before my Granfather is born in 1907 ...so it seems to me George Edwin Bolton didn't suddenly turn into Harry James when my Grandfather was born...hmmmm
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Isn't it a shame that the electoral rolls don't give an age,it'd make life so much easier!
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I know..wouldn't it just!
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Really struggling to trace my paternal Grandfather's parentage.My Grandfather , Harry George William Vernon was born 11 February 1907 to a Harry James Vernon ( pianoforte fitter-up) & Sarah Amy Vernon (formerly Cook).20 Manor Gardens Islington.
My Grandfather spoke very little about his childhood but stated that he had much older sisters & that his father was in his sixties when he was born.
It appears Sarah Amy was married previously & had 6 children.Three were stated living in the 1911 census.Living with her were Emma 18, Nellie 13 & my Grandfather Harry aged 5.
On the 1909 Electoral Rolls on Ancestry there is a Harry James Vernon at 20 Manor Gardens Islington,the landlord is William Sangster........and yet Harry is not there by 1911 when the census was taken. Amy is down as wife in 1911 though,not head of the household,so hubby can't have gone too far away?
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I know...where does he disappear to & what happened to George Edwin?
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The oldest daughter Amy Elizabeth marries Henry Jackson in 1908-the year after my Grandather is born.Surely there was gossip at the wedding.Someone must know something! :o
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zetlander..yes we came across that Harry in a previous thread but dates dont tally up as my Grandfather was born to Harry James & Sarah Amy Cook in 1907 and my Grandfather said his father was in his sixties,much older than his mother.
I think the advert for any beneficiaries of Harry S Thompson 1942 where it looks as if he used 5 aliases including Harry James Vernon merits further checking.
(I can't think why anyone would use 5 aliases!)
Harry Stantiford Thompson was born on 18 May 1877 in Portsmouth the only child of Grace Lane (Stantiford) from Devon and William Thompson from Belfast.
Harry Stantiford was a wealthy man he registered properties in his name in 1930 and 1931.
In 1939 he is living at 40 Grosvenor Road Brentford with a nurse. No sign of his wife Kate Florence although he is described as married.
He dies in 1942 in Brentford and the fact that they are advertising for relatives suggests he hadn't made a will?? he was an only child and may not have had any more children after Harry James was born in 1907.
Harry S Thompson m
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oops - pressed wrong button!
H S Thompson married in Q3 1907 so if he was the father of Harry George he wouldn't have been around for very long.
Your grandfather may have known very little about his father and may be mistaken when he says he was in his 60's when he was born.
I wouldn't discount Harry S Thompson as being the father of your grandfather just on that basis.
But how to prove things one way or another ?
Even if this is the wrong track I'd be interested to know why someone would be open about using 5 aliases!!
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He is around tho and can be traced till 1911 with Sarah Amy at Manor Gdns and then later at Hornsey Rd till at least 1929.
I wish this was him but I think it's a red herring as nothing ties up :-\
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In 1911, H.S.Thompson( 34) & Kate Florence Thompson(24) are living in Fulham with their one year old boy Harold Edward.
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When Harry Stantiford Thompson used those aliases he may have just made the names up and 'changed' his name or he could have used the names of existing people like Henry James Vernon.
But why have 5 ! aliases ?
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Harry S Thompson was a ‘Publisher Sporting’ in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWL4-M7Y
In 1901, he was a Baker’s Assistant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9XG-92S
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When Harry Stantiford Thompson used those aliases he may have just made the names up and 'changed' his name or he could have used the names of existing people like Henry James Vernon.
But why have 5 ! aliases ?
That is exactly what I was thinking. Did he meet "your" Harry and decide for some reason choose his name as one of his many aliases ?
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Claire,
Apologies, if this is already posted.
Is this Sarah Amy's death in March quarter 1932, in Islington 1b, pg 461
Do you have her death certificate?
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Claire,
Apologies, if this is already posted.
Is this Sarah Amy's death in March quarter 1932, in Islington 1b, pg 461
Do you have her death certificate?
Yes Heywood,you came up with that one at reply number 21,but then decided it was probably for a lady called Sara Ann Vernon and her age was wrong.
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There is a death recorded for a Sarah Cook 1943 Apr/May/Jun Aged 76
Islington1B 167 26
Would she have definitely been Sarah A Vernon on a death certificate?
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Claire,
Apologies, if this is already posted.
Is this Sarah Amy's death in March quarter 1932, in Islington 1b, pg 461
Do you have her death certificate?
Yes Heywood,you came up with that one at reply number 21,but then decided it was probably for a lady called Sara Ann Vernon and her age was wrong.
Oops ::) it was late and desperation setting in :)
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;D ;D ;D
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Checking military records for Harry Vernons...this may explain a few years absence!
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Harry Stantiford Thompson married Kate Florence Peters in 1907 Croydon.
They had at least one child Harold Edward Thompson born in1909/10
Kate Florence died in 2Q 1919 in Fulham age 32.
Harry S Thompson married Olive M Snow 3Q 1929 in Fulham. (have not seen what the 'S' stands for) but very likely the right one.
A son and daughter Thompson (nee Snow) born in 1935 and 1937 in Brentford.
(not sure if I can put their names in this message as they may well be living.)
There is still the question of why Harry S Thompson - seemingly a wealthy man -used aliases.
What is the link between Harry S Thompson and Harry James Vernon?
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There is still the question of why Harry S Thompson - seemingly a wealthy man -used aliases.
What is the link between Harry S Thompson and Harry James Vernon?
Or indeed any of the other 4 names he was using on his death!
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AAAAAaaaaagggggghhhhhh....so frustrating!
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I wish TracyL from the original thread would come back...I sent her a pm but nothing.Would be interesting to know her connection and if she managed to make any headway.
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AAAAAaaaaagggggghhhhhh....so frustrating!
Calm down! and think why a professional man would use aliases - and be quite open about using them.
An author or actor (criminals use them but would not 'publicise' them) would use an alias.
I'm going to ask this question on the open forum in the meantime aaaarrrrgggghhh!
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;D ??? :-\
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There is still the question of why Harry S Thompson - seemingly a wealthy man -used aliases.
What is the link between Harry S Thompson and Harry James Vernon?
Or indeed any of the other 4 names he was using on his death!
Purchase the will?
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Would that offer any explanations though?
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It's odd..have looked up all the various alias' & someone of each of the names can be found in Islington but with no connections..various ages..cab drivers...errand boys etc.There seems no rhyme or reason
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Would that offer any explanations though?
Was there a will. Or was it the solicitors advertising for any one with a claim to come forward as he died intestate????
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It seems like the latter
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Would that offer any explanations though?
Was there a will. Or was it the solicitors advertising for any one with a claim to come forward as he died intestate????
He left a will, so the advert is for claims by his creditors, a not unusual advert.
Probate to Barclays Bank
Mike
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It's odd..have looked up all the various alias' & someone of each of the names can be found in Islington but with no connections..various ages..cab drivers...errand boys etc.There seems no rhyme or reason
I found some of the names but different ages I think also.
One roused suspicion at first - Harry Joseph Weston was married to Katherine/Catherine Florence L Harradine in 1898 and we also have Harry Stantiford Thompson marrying Kate Florence Peters in 1907. ::)
Are they in the same census at times?
Do any electoral rolls overlap?
These would perhaps discount some people/names.
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Harry is short for Harold of course and another name for Henry, as in Prince Harry.
Has anyone tried looking him up under either of those names ?
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Harry Stantiford Thompson married Kate Florence Peters in 1907 Croydon.
They had at least one child Harold Edward Thompson born in1909/10
Kate Florence died in 2Q 1919 in Fulham age 32.
Harry S Thompson married Olive M Snow 3Q 1929 in Fulham. (have not seen what the 'S' stands for) but very likely the right one.
A son and daughter Thompson (nee Snow) born in 1935 and 1937 in Brentford.
(not sure if I can put their names in this message as they may well be living.)
There is still the question of why Harry S Thompson - seemingly a wealthy man -used aliases.
What is the link between Harry S Thompson and Harry James Vernon?
If this is the same Harry S marriage - those birth entries are late entries. There are three Snow children born c 1920 all shown as late entries in 1930s.
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hi
Have been following this post but apologies if you already have the following and not sure what it means.
London electoral Roles
1935
24 Bishops Road Hammersmith and Fulham
Rose Tucker
Henry Tucker
Harry James Weston (abode 14 Marlborough Road)
Olive May Weston "
Henry Stantiford Thompson
1938
24 Bishops Road
Henry Stantiford Thompson
Harry James Weston (abode 5 Leonard Road Folkestone)
Olive May Weston "
In 1939 Olive M Thompson is living at 5 Lennard Road Folkstone.
Cathy
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That is a good find :o I had looked at those electoral lists and never thought to search them a bit more ::)
It certainly links two of the names but not quite Harry James Vernon just yet.
I still think the will might be helpful in explaining the various names and hopefully it would be the right Harry J V.
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1933
Harry Stantiford Thompson is at 14 Marlborough Road, Brentford
1933
H S T is also at Bishops Road together with Olive May Weston and Harry James Weston
Does the will have Harry Joseph Weston ?
There are also births for these two, I think so they can’t be the same person ... confusing ???
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Acton Gazette 4th feb 1916 (available FindMyPast)
The article is quite long and involved but the gist of it is..
Arthur Gilbey was charged with neglecting to give required particulars under the Chiswick Natinoal Registration Act.
the names mentioned are
James Weston
Harry James Weston (signed as)
Harry Weston (real name) of Bishops Road Fulham.
They all appear to be the same person.
Cathy :)
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Later news report Middlesex County Times 9th Feb 1916
Part of report
"Defendant denied that he had carried on businesses at different addresses and under various names"
"He did not know where he was born but remembered Croydon for many years, His real name was Harry Weston."
Sadly no mention of the surname Vernon, frustratingly.
cathy
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I 1911 there is a Thompson family at the 24 Bishops Road address who appear to be Harry Stantiford Thompson and Kate Florence Peters married 1907 Croydon as mentioned before I think
Cathy
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Is Olive May Weston the same Olive May Snow who becomes Olive May Thompson?
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Bingo!
Fulham Observor 11th Dec 1942
"All persons having claims against the estate of Harry Stantiford Thompson otherwise known as Harry James Vernon, James Wood, Harry Ashcroft, Philip Armitage, Henry Edaile Gordon late of 40 Grovesner Road Chiswick."
Cathy
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Bingo!
Fulham Observor 11th Dec 1942
"All persons having claims against the estate of Harry Stantiford Thompson otherwise known as Harry James Vernon, James Wood, Harry Ashcroft, Philip Armitage, Henry Edaile Gordon late of 40 Grovesner Road Chiswick."
Cathy
That is the same wording as his probate , which is listed under all the different names.
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Oh sorry did nt see that , I wonder if George Edwin Bolton could have been another alias.
Cathy
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Well, it certainly looks as though Harry Stantiford Thompson and Harry Weston are the same person.
Although I thought I had births for both of them.
Earlier, I posted this 1911 from FS for Harry Stantisford Thompson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWL4-M7Y
There is no address shown here and we can’t post further details of course as it is 1911.
However, the address is familiar - it has been mentioned in Electoral registers searches previously.
I don’t think this electoral register entry has been mentioned yet. The address has but not this early, perhaps.
1912
24 Bishops Road Fulham - Harry James Weston
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I don’t have full access to newspapers but there are several adverts for 24 Bishops Rd.
There seem to be horse racing guides/tips - apply to the Publishers.
Also Property - apply to Westons, same address.
Various others too.
Claire,
Back to Harry James Vernon, it might be best to list dates and addresses where you definitely have him.
This is so fascinating but we don’t know if your Harry is part of it all.
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Yes it look like multiple businesses were being run from 24 Bishops Road Fulham: publishers, racing tips, betting, ladies hairdressing, estate agents, dentist. Here are the directory listings for 1934 and 1938. FULham 0846 was the phone number for G L Collins Ltd (also known as GLC Ltd), Weston the turf commission agent, and Estate Service Agency.
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Harry Stantiford Thompson married Kate Florence Peters in 1907 Croydon.
They had at least one child Harold Edward Thompson born in1909/10
Kate Florence died in 2Q 1919 in Fulham age 32.
Harry S Thompson married Olive M Snow 3Q 1929 in Fulham. (have not seen what the 'S' stands for) but very likely the right one.
A son and daughter Thompson (nee Snow) born in 1935 and 1937 in Brentford.
(not sure if I can put their names in this message as they may well be living.)
There is still the question of why Harry S Thompson - seemingly a wealthy man -used aliases.
What is the link between Harry S Thompson and Harry James Vernon?
If this is the same Harry S marriage - those birth entries are late entries. There are three Snow children born c 1920 all shown as late entries in 1930s.
I'm not sure if I can put the children's full name....
BIRTH REGS
G C T (mmn Snow) reg S1919 Brentford
J O T (mmn Snow) reg J1920 Brentford
R J T (mmn Snow) reg D1921 Brentford
Harry S Thompson married Olive M Snow S1929 in Fulham
BIRTH REGS
G C T (mmn Snow) reg D1935
J O T (mmn Snow) reg J1937
R J T (mmn Snow) reg J1937
So the three children were born and births registered before their parents Harry S Thompson and Olive M Snow married
Then 6 years after the parents married the children are re-registered !
Why?
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Yes it look like multiple businesses were being run from 24 Bishops Road Fulham: publishers, racing tips, betting, ladies hairdressing, estate agents, dentist. Here are the directory listings for 1934 and 1938. FULham 0846 was the phone number for G L Collins Ltd (also known as GLC Ltd), Weston the turf commission agent, and Estate Service Agency.
But no piano related :-\
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Have we had the death of Harry James Vernon in Ticehurst RD in 1931, aged 63?
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Claire
have sent you a message
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The 1911 census shows Amy VERNON (presumably Sarah Amy) age 43 born Birmingham together with Emma age 18, Nellie age 13, and Harry age 5. They are in the household of Alfred GROSCH, 49, head, housepainter, born Barnesbury.
They are NOT in the household of Alfred Grosch! It's a separate household.
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Harry George William Vernon was born 11 February 1907
I wonder - is it just coincidental that G E Bolton's father's name was George William?