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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: grizzly1 on Tuesday 02 July 19 20:20 BST (UK)
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Can anyone tell me if St Patrick's church Jersey City would have been local to an address I have for a family I have in the 1900 U.S.census.
The info I have is that Patrick Edward Burns was baptised at the church in 1902, his parents were Patrick Burns and Mary Burns nee Leonard.
The sponsors were Patrick and Mary Leonard.
I note that on the 1900 census there is a Patrick and Mary Burns with 2 children, Patrick J aged 8, and Josephine 0, at an address at.
Orange City, Ward 5 Essex N.J.
I also note that on same census at an address at district 4, Newark City Ward 2 Essex N.J. I have Patrick Leonard with wife Margaret.
I was wondering was St Patricks church local to the Burns family address circa 1900 ?
I was also wondering what would the distance between the Burns and Leonard family address's have been circa 1900 ?
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I note that on the 1900 census there is a Patrick and Mary Burns with 2 children, Patrick J aged 8, and Josephine 0, at an address at.
Orange City, Ward 5 Essex N.J.
This Patrick Burns is married to a Mary Cunningham. They are listed as age 35 & 30. The census also states they were married about 1891.
1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JZ-S1C
The daughter Josephine is listed as being born Mar. 1900.
Her birth record list DOB as 12 Mar 1900 and mother as Mary Cunningham. Parents age listed as 35 & 30
Birth Record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCN7-1MQ
Here is Patrick & Mary's marriage for May 1890
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZG1-D9Z
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I note that on the 1900 census there is a Patrick and Mary Burns with 2 children, Patrick J aged 8, and Josephine 0, at an address at.
Orange City, Ward 5 Essex N.J.
This Patrick Burns is married to a Mary Cunningham. They are listed as age 35 & 30. The census also states they were married about 1891.
1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JZ-S1C
The daughter Josephine is listed as being born Mar. 1900.
Her birth record list DOB as 12 Mar 1900 and mother as Mary Cunningham. Parents age listed as 35 & 30
Birth Record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCN7-1MQ
Here is Patrick & Mary's marriage for May 1890
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZG1-D9Z
Thank you, im trying to find the birth for the Patrick Edward Burns with mother Mary Leonard in 1902 who was baptised in St Patricks Church...at least I can dismiss this above couple now.
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You can put the three cities into Google maps and see where they are. New Jersey is densely populated and, just guessing, was probably densely populated in 1900 as well. Off hand without researching, I would say there must have been a Catholic church in each town, and there would be no need to go to the next town over to have your child baptized.
Google 'Catholic church, <somewhere> NJ' or something similar and it should tell you. Add in "1900" or "history of" if you have to narrow it down.
- Unless they moved between 1900 and 1902 :)
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Here is what you are up against. Four men in 1902, 7 in 1900, and only one overlap. At least 6 possible Mary Leonards in Jersey City in 1900. A closer look at the 1905 census by you, me or someone else might turn them up, but I didn't find them at first glance. Ancestry.com had the index of the 1902 baptism, but no other suggested records for the parents.
1902 Jersey City City Directory
Burns,
Patrick, foreman, 180 16th
Patrick, laborer, 551 Grand
Patrick, laborer, 177 13th
Patrick J, bartender 147 St Pauls's Avenue
1903 Jersey City City Directory
Burns,
Patrick, foreman, 180 16th
Patrick, laborer, 177 13th
Patrick J, bartender 147 St Pauls's Avenue
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1900 Census, Jersey City
339 Johnson Avenue
Burns, Patrick, 38, single, laborer born in Ireland, arrived 1898, alien, boarder,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JT-LTG
12 Spruce Street
Burns, Patrick, 23, single, brother of the head of house James J, arrived 1899, laborer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9J1-YFL
83 Clinton Avenue
Burns, Patrick, 30, single, brother to head Michael, born in Ireland, arrived 1887, foreman, steel steel works
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JB-329
246 Wayne Street
Burns, Patrick K, 26, single, son of head Bridget, a widow, born in New Jersey, a produce clerk
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JT-9SX
474 Henderson Street
Burns, Patrick, head, 34, widowed, born in Ireland, arrived 1880, freight handler
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9J5-NZS
180 16th Street
Byrnes, Patrick, 25, single, son of head Henry, born in New Jersey, a foreman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9J5-CJZ
199 Warren Street
Burns, Pat, 24, single, brother in law to haed Pat McGovern, born in New Jersey, a barrel cooper
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JP-64D
at familysearch.org, I found 6 Mary Leonards in the 1900 census in Jersey City, who were of childbearing age and single.
I don't see the child Patrick, age 3 or so, on the 1905 Census of New Jersey. I might look more closely later.
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searches at familysearch and ancestry for Patrick Burns, born NJ in 1902, parents Patrick Burns and Mary Leonard, came up empty.
search by exact date of birth at ancestry.com, came up empty.
I'm assuming you don't know anything more about the parents, Patrick E and Mary Leonard, correct?
edit:
Just noticed you have the sponsors. Have you looked for them?
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What I should have asked first is: Are you trying to find the parents of the boy who was baptized in 1902, or are you tracing the family in Orange, NJ, in 1900, and wondering if that was their son?
If the second, then you can disregard all my other posts, since RJ137 answered your question.
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Here is a Patrick and Mary Leonard in Jersey City in 1900, with brother in law Anthony O'Donohue. I noticed you have asked about this family before and seem to have a location in Ireland that they were from. Does the name O'Donohue occur near your Leonards in Ireland?
1900 Jersey City
at 139 Bayview Avenue
Leonard, Patrick, born Mar 1872, day laborer, oil yard, arrived 1895, naturalization papers pending
Leonard, Mary, born Aug 1873, arrived 1898
married 1 year, no children
O'Donohue, Anthony, 24, brother in law, day laborer, oil yard, arrived 1895, naturalization papers pending
all born in Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JY-L3Y
There were 5 Patrick Leonards in Jersey City in 1902, none of them at that address. 3 had skilled occupations, leaving one at 10 Bright Street and one at 381 Jackson Ave, both laborers. Anthony O'Donohue was not listed.
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What I should have asked first is: Are you trying to find the parents of the boy who was baptized in 1902, or are you tracing the family in Orange, NJ, in 1900, and wondering if that was their son?
If the second, then you can disregard all my other posts, since RJ137 answered your question.
Reference thread: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=815010.0
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What I should have asked first is: Are you trying to find the parents of the boy who was baptized in 1902, or are you tracing the family in Orange, NJ, in 1900, and wondering if that was their son?
If the second, then you can disregard all my other posts, since RJ137 answered your question.
Reference thread: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=815010.0
Clear as mud :). I hope the family baptism certificate was one handed down in the family from Patrick Edward himself, and not one found by an earlier family researcher, or that there was reliable family information that Patrick Edward had been born in the US.
Other than that, I think the best that grizzly1 will do in Jersey City is say that Patrick Edward's father was probably one of the men in the 1902 or 1903 city directory. Even then, there were so many Irish in NJ and if, like my family in Cleveland, they kept moving around (to stay ahead of the rent man?), he might not even be one of them.
I've been avoiding the Irish boards lately, so I think I have done all I can do for P.E. Burns.
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I found 3 Patrick Burns who died in Jersey City from 1901 to 1910 old enough to have a child in 1902. All buried in Holy Name Cemetery. There may have been more who were buried in a cemetery not on findagrave. I didn't find a New Jersey Deaths database, so there is no way of knowing how many others there were. If that was the only Catholic cemetery in Jersey City, then this list might be enough. Google "Catholic Cemeteries, Jersey City."
If any of these are your man, it might be the first. He would have been 21 when Patrick Edward was born. You could try eliminating the other two by looking for their widows and families in 1910, assuming they didn't remarry, die, move, or go back to Ireland.
1881 - May 1907
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/148137264
doesn't seem to be in Jersey City in 1900
1876 - Dec 1902
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/148137262
could be the man on Spruce Street in 1900
1863 - Nov 1909
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/148137259
could be the man on Johnson Avenue in 1900
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I found 3 Patrick Burns who died in Jersey City from 1901 to 1910 old enough to have a child in 1902. All buried in Holy Name Cemetery. There may have been more who were buried in a cemetery not on findagrave. I didn't find a New Jersey Deaths database, so there is no way of knowing how many others there were. If that was the only Catholic cemetery in Jersey City, then this list might be enough. Google "Catholic Cemeteries, Jersey City."
If any of these are your man, it might be the first. He would have been 21 when Patrick Edward was born. You could try eliminating the other two by looking for their widows and families in 1910, assuming they didn't remarry, die, move, or go back to Ireland.
1876 - Dec 1902
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/148137262
could be the man on Spruce Street in 1900
I'm not seeing a "Burns" born in 1902 with the parents Patrick & Mary. There is Patrick & Annie and one with a Julia, but no Mary.
https://archive.org/details/NJ_Birth_Index_1902_A-J/page/n117
I see 2 deaths for a Patrick Burns in 1902. One has notation (J.C.) which I assume is Jersey City. That could be the 1863 - Nov 1909 Patrick listed. The other Patrick listed has notation (New.) which I assume is Newark.
https://archive.org/details/NJ_Death_Index_1902/page/n31
I see no Patrick Burns for 1903. They only have online death records available for 1901-1903 in the 1900's time frame.
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First I have to say I really appreciate the time/effort you are putting in in order to clear the 'muddy water's' :)
Let me attempt to clarify the Burns story and perhaps it may help.
This is basically all we know at moment and a lot more than we knew this time last week.
The N.J Baptismal cert of Patrick Edward D.O.B 30 May 1902 was all his family had, the story goes he was born in America, and returned to Ireland when his Father died and his mother remarried, I dont know at what age but he joined the Irish Free State army who I have been in touch with, and am waiting for his enlistement paper's to be forwarded on.
I know that Patrick married in 1936 and at this time he was still in the Army, the archivist did give me some details as to who his next of kin was, obviously his wife along with another name Mrs Mary O'Loughlin, this has me now thinking that this Mary may very well be Patricks Mother's 'new' surname, which would confirm the story she remarried.
It's thought by an elderly family member that she may have married in the US before returning to Co Clare at some later stage.
On the 1936 Marriage cert for Patrick it states his father Patricks profession as 'Boilermaker', this I was hoping would narrow down the search, especially as it was basically a 'Trade' ?
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Thanks for the added information, it sounds like Patrick was old enough to return to Ireland on his own when his father died and his mother remarried, unless the story was embellished a bit. And when you find out the year of his enlistment, and where, that will be a big help.
Did Patrick Edward Burns have any siblings? Where were they born? Do you know where his parents married?
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My guess is that the sponsors at his baptism were Mary Leonard's brother and his wife, since she wouldn't have a sister with the same name as herself.
This is grasping at straws and doesn't provide much information anyway, but in case both Patrick (Sr) and Patrick Leonard (sponsor at the baptism) were boilermakers. Besides, this man's wife's name was Julia but there is a "daughter" in the house named Mary. The numbers for her, Patrick, and Julia's children don't really "add up"
1899, 1900, 1901, 1902, 1906 Jersey City City Directories
Patrick Leonard, boilermaker, 48 Bright Street
he's not in Jersey City in 1908 unless he moved and changed occupations
also for him
1900 Census, Jersey City
48 Bright Street
Leonard
Patrick, 37, boilermaker, born Ireland, arrived 1881, naturalized, married 15 years
Julia, 39, wife, Ireland, arrived 1880, married 15 years, 12 children, 3 alive
Katey 14, daughter, New Jersey
Francis, 11, daughter, New Jersey
Mary, 22, daughter, New Jersey, married for 2 years, 2 children, 2 alive
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JR-F3F
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but no Patrick Burns, boilermaker, in 1900 or 1902 in Jersey City
1900 Jersey City City Directory
Patrick Burns
bartender 1 Hoboken Avenue
checker, 234 6th
peddler 218 2nd
Patrick F, bartender 246 Wayne
Patrick J, cigars, 594 Grand, house at 582 Grand
1901 Jersey City City Directory
Patrick Burns
laborer
639 Grove
129 Union
443 York
177 13th
cigars, 592 Grand, 593 Grand
of Brown & Burns, 747 Newark Avenue
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What part of Co. Clare is the family from and/or what part did Mary (Leonard) Burns maybe-O'Loughlin return to? Name of the townland, village, etc., anything to localize it to narrow down where to look for records.
Which reminds me, have you tried on the Co Clare Genealogy group on Facebook? I posted something there once and within a few hours they had the man's parents, birth record, US naturalization and what all. All I had was his age, place of death, a US census or two, and a letter he got postmarked Ennis, Co. Clare.
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What part of Co. Clare is the family from and/or what part did Mary (Leonard) Burns maybe-O'Loughlin return to? Name of the townland, village, etc., anything to localize it to narrow down where to look for records.
Which reminds me, have you tried on the Co Clare Genealogy group on Facebook? I posted something there once and within a few hours they had the man's parents, birth record, US naturalization and what all. All I had was his age, place of death, a US census or two, and a letter he got postmarked Ennis, Co. Clare.
I did have a look at the 1911 census for Clare to check for a Mary Burn with Patrick/Edward but no luck, I also checked for marriages in the area with Mary Burns, I came up with 1 but her father was listed as Burn's so that was dismissed, the district/parish was Ballyvaughan.
As you correctly say the content's of the Army records should help out, though the archivist told me that the DOB didnt match up, But this wasnt unusual, most likely cause that he was 'possibly' underage...so basically we are at a standstill until we have that info.
The fact that Patrick Leonard was a 'boilermaker' adds interest, perhaps Patricks father and he were 'workmates' ?