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Hi im doing a family tree and I come a cross James walker my 5th direct ancestor born 1829 in Brinkley who married Mary Ann walker born Gresley Dec 16th 1861 and died 1877 in Warwickshire.
James mum was May Martha walker born 1878 September Warwick and got baptism Warwick July 1, 1877.
That's all the information I have on May Martha walker so I don't no if she got married to James walker dad or when she died or if she had any more children. So can you please help me
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A mother cannot have been born 50 years after her child.
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May Martha walker is apparently my 5th direct ancestor I took a stap shot for you to see
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May Martha walker is apparently my 6th direct ancestor I took a stap shot for you to see
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Can you please check dates, have you made an error with yrs?
You have James born 1829 then his mother May Martha born 1878
Annie
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I think you need to read through what you posted as it doesn't make sense.
May Martha Walker b.1877 was the daughter of James Walker and Mary Ann Neal who married at Warwick 11/8/1861.
She married a John Fred Sabin 18/12/1902 Warwick (Emscote).
James Walker was a soda water bottler and he was bc.1838 Scotland according to 1871 census. He died 1877.
Mary Ann Walker, nee Neal, shown on census to have been born circa 1839-1841 Snitterfield, Warwickshire. She was actually baptised Snitterfield 13/10/1840, dau. of Richard and Martha. She died Sept.1900 Warwick.
Where you get Brinkley and Gresley from I have no idea.
Annette
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Don't know where you got the screen shot from but it is wrong - according to census and his death he was bc.1838/9 (not 1829) and his wife was not named Mary Ann Walker, she was Mary Ann Neal and born 1840 Snitterfield, not Gresley!
You shouldn't just accept that what someone has posted is fact. You need to check the facts and in this instance the birthdate/birthplace is wrong for James and the surname/birthplace for Mary Ann is wrong.
Annette
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I think you need to read through what you posted as it doesn't make sense.
May Martha Walker b.1877 was the daughter of James Walker and Mary Ann Neal who married at Warwick 11/8/1861.
She married a John Fred Sabin 18/12/1902 Warwick (Emscote).
James Walker was a soda water bottler and he was bc.1838 Scotland according to 1871 census. He died 1877.
Mary Ann Walker, nee Neal, shown on census to have been born circa 1839-1841 Snitterfield, Warwickshire. She was actually baptised Snitterfield 13/10/1840, dau. of Richard and Martha. She died Sept.1900 Warwick.
Where you get Brinkley and Gresley from I have no idea.
Annette
my great grandfather was George Herbert walker born 1886 in brinklow and died Mar 3, 1951 he's wife my great grandmother Ada Byfield born in Birmingham 1886 died in Brentford 7/4/1970.
George Herbert walker my great great grandmother was Emily amy stratfull born walker born in Brinkley in 1863 she was married to a William Harry stratfull in 1910 her mother was Mary Ann walker born gresley born Oct 13, 1840 she married James walker at Andrew Warwickshire Dec 16, 1861. James walker was born in brinklow in 1829 and I said married Mary Ann gresley and he died in Warwickshire hun 1877 he's mother was May Martha walker my 6 direct ancestor apparently her birth is meant to be 1878 September in Warwickshire and apparently she was baptism 1877 wappenbury Warwickshire I don't no if she got married or had any more kids but what I do is apparently her dad name was James walker born Mackenzie east Lothian Scotland nov 15, 1840 he married to a Mary Ann walker saint Mary Warwick Aug ,11 1861 and apparently died in 1877 in Warwickshire in hun apparently hes mum was Margaret walker born Greig born 1812 who was from Scotland and her death was in Scotland in 1904 and her husband name was James walker born in Scotland Dec 28, 1811 and died in Scotland nan 16, 1876.
But like I said I'm stuck on May Martha walker apparently born in 1878 as I don't no if she got married or if she had any more children before or after James walker
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he was bc.1838/9 (not 1829) and his wife was not named Mary Ann Walker, she was Mary Ann Neal and born 1840 Snitterfield, not Gresley!
Annette...The way I read it...Gresley is the maiden name?
I've never understood these sites which give women their married name in a tree then add 'born xxx'
It's just more confusion on top of wrong info.
Annie
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I think you need to read through what you posted as it doesn't make sense.
May Martha Walker b.1877 was the daughter of James Walker and Mary Ann Neal who married at Warwick 11/8/1861.
She married a John Fred Sabin 18/12/1902 Warwick (Emscote).
James Walker was a soda water bottler and he was bc.1838 Scotland according to 1871 census. He died 1877.
Mary Ann Walker, nee Neal, shown on census to have been born circa 1839-1841 Snitterfield, Warwickshire. She was actually baptised Snitterfield 13/10/1840, dau. of Richard and Martha. She died Sept.1900 Warwick.
Where you get Brinkley and Gresley from I have no idea.
Annette
my great grandfather was George Herbert walker born 1886 in brinklow and died Mar 3, 1951 he's wife my great grandmother Ada Byfield born in Birmingham 1886 died in Brentford 7/4/1970.
George Herbert walker my great great grandmother was Emily amy stratfull born walker born in Brinkley in 1863 she was married to a William Harry stratfull in 1910 her mother was Mary Ann walker born gresley born Oct 13, 1840 she married James walker at Andrew Warwickshire Dec 16, 1861. James walker was born in brinklow in 1829 and I said married Mary Ann gresley and he died in Warwickshire hun 1877 he's mother was May Martha walker my 6 direct ancestor apparently her birth is meant to be 1878 September in Warwickshire and apparently she was baptism 1877 wappenbury Warwickshire I don't no if she got married or had any more kids but what I do is apparently her dad name was James walker born Mackenzie east Lothian Scotland nov 15, 1840 he married to a Mary Ann walker saint Mary Warwick Aug ,11 1861 and apparently died in 1877 in Warwickshire in hun apparently hes mum was Margaret walker born Greig born 1812 who was from Scotland and her death was in Scotland in 1904 and her husband name was James walker born in Scotland Dec 28, 1811 and died in Scotland nan 16, 1876.
But like I said I'm stuck on May Martha walker apparently born in 1878 as I don't no if she got married or if she had any more children before or after James walker
Sorry about the spelling
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Can you tell us what sources you have for...
"But like I said I'm stuck on May Martha walker apparently born in 1878 as I don't no if she got married or if she had any more children before or after James walker"
You will be stuck for ever more if you're working with wrong info.
Where did you get Martha's birth yr 1878 considering the date you have for her son James Walker is 1829 which is before his mother Martha was born in 1878?
Annie
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A mother Can Not be born 50 yrs after her Son.
No one i know was baptized a year before they were born ( You have May Martha Walker born 1878 and baptized in 1877)
There are people here willing to help but you need to check your information as it makes no sense at the moment.
Carol
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You need to straighten this bit out too. Not the spelling so much as the dates.
You cannot be baptised before you are born.
.......he's mother was May Martha walker my 6 direct ancestor apparently her birth is meant to be 1878 September in Warwickshire and apparently she was baptism 1877 wappenbury Warwickshire .......
Sue
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Sorry, A double up on Carol's post there!
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You need to straighten this bit out too. Not the spelling so much as the dates.
You cannot be baptised before you are born.
.......he's mother was May Martha walker my 6 direct ancestor apparently her birth is meant to be 1878 September in Warwickshire and apparently she was baptism 1877 wappenbury Warwickshire .......
Sue
ADDING,
Sorry, A double up on Carol's post there!
that's why I'm asking for help as I been given this info from my auntie
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Can you provide us with the info. you have verified...
In order from yourself backwards using the names/maiden names/dates/places on those certs. to find out where the errors begin?
Annie
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Here is some information that may help with your tangle.
Marriages Dec 1861
GRESLEY Mary Ann
WALKER James
Aston
6d/405
The 1871 census, 10 years after the marriage above shows the couple with children including Emily WALKER aged 8 born in Brinklow, as they all were. James aged 41,is a nightwatchman at Combe Abbey.
Mary Ann is 31.
Next door (but one) to this family is Thomas WALKER and his wife Fanny and children. Thomas born Brinklow is 32, a brickmaker
Baptisms. A James WALKER was baptized in Brinklow Nov 22nd 1829. Parents Mary and James, a labourer.
A Thomas WALKER was baptized in Brinklow in Apr 7th 1839. Parents Mary and James a labourer.
Although the birth name of Emily, the daughter of James, was WALKER, when we look at 1911 census, she has a number of children surnamed MORRIS. Not able to say much more about 1911, but some births for these MORRIS children can be seen.
Sue
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1861 and coming forward has been "done" to death previously on this site, probably more than once(!).
Pauline
From https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=782973.msg6593777#msg6593777
"I assume you mean James ( not Charles) Walker and Mary Ann.
Emily Ann Walker was born in 1863 in Brinklow. As far as I can see from census returns she was one of 12 children of James Walker and Mary Ann nee Gresley/Greasley. James Walker married Mary Ann Gresley on 16th December 1861 at Bordesley St Andrew, Warwickshire ( certificate viewable on Ancestry).He was age 32 and his occupation was Boatman ( although he appears as a Labourer on some of the census returns). His father was James Walker, a Tallow Maker. Mary Ann was 21, the daughter of Joseph Gresley, a Labourer."
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1861 and coming forward has been "done" to death previously on this site, probably more than once(!).
Pauline
From https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=782973.msg6593777#msg6593777
"I assume you mean James ( not Charles) Walker and Mary Ann.
Emily Ann Walker was born in 1863 in Brinklow. As far as I can see from census returns she was one of 12 children of James Walker and Mary Ann nee Gresley/Greasley. James Walker married Mary Ann Gresley on 16th December 1861 at Bordesley St Andrew, Warwickshire ( certificate viewable on Ancestry).He was age 32 and his occupation was Boatman ( although he appears as a Labourer on some of the census returns). His father was James Walker, a Tallow Maker. Mary Ann was 21, the daughter of Joseph Gresley, a Labourer."
hi is there a birth year for James parents please
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Can someone correct me on who is James walker birth parents birth year as I'm so confused right now as I no James walker was born1829 and d died in 1877
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You need to get rid of the person you have as his mother, together with her ancestors first.
You know the parental names of the 1829-born James walker, so put in that right now.
Read through your previous threads to fill in the gaps.
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At 01.49 today you said:
'my great grandfather was George Herbert walker born 1886 in brinklow and died Mar 3, 1951 he's wife my great grandmother Ada Byfield born in Birmingham 1886 died in Brentford 7/4/1970.
George Herbert walker my great great grandmother was Emily amy stratfull born walker born in Brinkley in 1863 she was married to a William Harry stratfull in 1910 her mother was Mary Ann walker born gresley born Oct 13, 1840 (baptised 16/10/1840 Brinklow, dau. of Joseph and Anne Griesley) she married James walker at Andrew Warwickshire Dec 16, 1861. James walker was born in brinklow in 1829 (bp.22/11/1829 Brinklow son of James Walker and wife Mary) and I said married Mary Ann gresley and he died in Warwickshire hun 1877 (this is false – he is on the census 1881 and 1891 and died Mar.1893 and buried Brinklow) he's mother was May Martha walker my 6 direct ancestor (this is false – his mother was a plain Mary and just think about it, if he was born 1829 how could his mother be a May Martha Walker born 1877?? apparently her birth is meant to be 1878 September in Warwickshire and apparently she was baptism 1877 wappenbury Warwickshire I don't no if she got married or had any more kids but what I do is apparently her dad name was James walker born Mackenzie east Lothian Scotland nov 15, 1840 he married to a Mary Ann walker saint Mary Warwick Aug ,11 1861 and apparently died in 1877 in Warwickshire in hun apparently hes mum was Margaret walker born Greig born 1812 who was from Scotland and her death was in Scotland in 1904 and her husband name was James walker born in Scotland Dec 28, 1811 and died in Scotland nan 16, 1876.' May Martha Walker born 1877 is indeed the daughter of this James Walker and wife Mary Ann nee Neal (also married 1861). The James Walker death in 1877 is this man and not the James who was married to Mary Ann Gresley'.
I've put in my comments in blue and highlighted the parts of what you say which are false and think it is clear so that you can understand it.
The parents of your James Walker bp.1829 Brinklow are James Walker and Mary Sanders who married 6/11/1825 Brinklow i.e. his mother was a Mary Sanders (not a May Martha) shown on 1851 census at Brinklow to have been born circa 1809 Foleshill, Warwickshire.
May Martha Walker born 1877 and the subject of this thread is no connection to you at all being the daughter of the other (Scottish) James Walker and his wife Mary Ann nee Neal.
Your great grandfather George Herbert Walker born 1886 was, as you know, the illegitimate son of Emily Walker born 1863 to James Walker (1829-1893) and Mary Ann Gresley/variants (b.1840).
Its seems the object of this thread was the mother of James Walker born 1829 – as proven his mother was a Mary Sanders bc.1809 Foleshill, Warwickshire. (Forget about a May Martha - nothing at all to do with your line of Walkers').
Annette
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At 01.49 today you said:
'my great grandfather was George Herbert walker born 1886 in brinklow and died Mar 3, 1951 he's wife my great grandmother Ada Byfield born in Birmingham 1886 died in Brentford 7/4/1970.
George Herbert walker my great great grandmother was Emily amy stratfull born walker born in Brinkley in 1863 she was married to a William Harry stratfull in 1910 her mother was Mary Ann walker born gresley born Oct 13, 1840 (baptised 16/10/1840 Brinklow, dau. of Joseph and Anne Griesley) she married James walker at Andrew Warwickshire Dec 16, 1861. James walker was born in brinklow in 1829 (bp.22/11/1829 Brinklow son of James Walker and wife Mary) and I said married Mary Ann gresley and he died in Warwickshire hun 1877 (this is false – he is on the census 1881 and 1891 and died Mar.1893 and buried Brinklow) he's mother was May Martha walker my 6 direct ancestor (this is false – his mother was a plain Mary and just think about it, if he was born 1829 how could his mother be a May Martha Walker born 1877?? apparently her birth is meant to be 1878 September in Warwickshire and apparently she was baptism 1877 wappenbury Warwickshire I don't no if she got married or had any more kids but what I do is apparently her dad name was James walker born Mackenzie east Lothian Scotland nov 15, 1840 he married to a Mary Ann walker saint Mary Warwick Aug ,11 1861 and apparently died in 1877 in Warwickshire in hun apparently hes mum was Margaret walker born Greig born 1812 who was from Scotland and her death was in Scotland in 1904 and her husband name was James walker born in Scotland Dec 28, 1811 and died in Scotland nan 16, 1876.' May Martha Walker born 1877 is indeed the daughter of this James Walker and wife Mary Ann nee Neal (also married 1861). The James Walker death in 1877 is this man and not the James who was married to Mary Ann Gresley'.
I've put in my comments in blue and highlighted the parts of what you say which are false and think it is clear so that you can understand it.
The parents of your James Walker bp.1829 Brinklow are James Walker and Mary Sanders who married 6/11/1825 Brinklow i.e. his mother was a Mary Sanders (not a May Martha) shown on 1851 census at Brinklow to have been born circa 1809 Foleshill, Warwickshire.
May Martha Walker born 1877 and the subject of this thread is no connection to you at all being the daughter of the other (Scottish) James Walker and his wife Mary Ann nee Neal.
Your great grandfather George Herbert Walker born 1886 was, as you know, the illegitimate son of Emily Walker born 1863 to James Walker (1829-1893) and Mary Ann Gresley/variants (b.1840).
Its seems the object of this thread was the mother of James Walker born 1829 – as proven his mother was a Mary Sanders bc.1809 Foleshill, Warwickshire. (Forget about a May Martha - nothing at all to do with your line of Walkers').
Annette
thank you
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The parents of your James Walker bp.1829 Brinklow are James Walker and Mary Sanders who married 6/11/1825 Brinklow i.e. his mother was a Mary Sanders (not a May Martha) shown on 1851 census at Brinklow to have been born circa 1809 Foleshill,
Hi I have copied and paste the above as I can't find the death year for Mary Sanders so can I have a little help thank you so much
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Hi I'm I'm trying to find the birth of James walker who married Mary Sanders as I can't find it thanks