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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Brian75 on Wednesday 10 July 19 18:09 BST (UK)
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Hi Walter Rees Dob 1883 Sydney Australia a Fisherman he Married Lillian Jackson dob 1884 Hull East Yorkshire on the 3rd September 1904 at St Barnabas Church Hull.
On the marriage Certificate Says his Father was Edward .Rees a Farmer.
Don't know when he came to England.
Would be glad of any help with this.
Regards Brian
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If you are researching his parentage & he was born in Australia it would be best if your post was on the Australia board.
Have asked the moderator to move it for you
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Hi Brian
Please give all details on the marriage certificate.
Include witnesses.
Sue
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I have spotted an Edward REES listed in the 1895 Sydney Sands Directory, Graham Street, Auburn.
https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory
(It is also possible that Graham Street was on the border of two suburbs ... Rookwood and Auburn, and likely the residents would have preferred to use 'Auburn' in that era, as Rookwood was also where a) the cemetery was/is and also b) where the Asylum was.)
JM
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Hi Walter Rees Dob 1883 Sydney Australia a Fisherman he Married Lillian Jackson dob 1884 Hull East Yorkshire on the 3rd September 1904 at St Barnabas Church Hull.
On the marriage Certificate Says his Father was Edward .Rees a Farmer.
Don't know when he came to England.
Would be glad of any help with this.
Regards Brian
Don't know when he came to England.
It is unlikely that you will find outward passenger lists if he departed for England from any port in New South Wales. Perhaps you should search the UK 'inward passenger lists.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-45 "outward passenger lists were not regularly maintained until 1898."
JM
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7TS-CW4 Ship's Rigger, 'Resident Sydney NSW' but does that actually mean he was BORN Sydney NSW? Add ... well, umm, it is in the column headed 'Birthplace'.
JM
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I have spotted an Edward REES listed in the 1895 Sydney Sands Directory, Graham Street, Auburn.
https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory
(It is also possible that Graham Street was on the border of two suburbs ... Rookwood and Auburn, and likely the residents would have preferred to use 'Auburn' in that era, as Rookwood was also where a) the cemetery was/is and also b) where the Asylum was.)
JM
JM
Would you think the district you describe here would be suited to farming in those times?
Though I suppose Edward may have had another occupation at the time of the directory and then become a farmer by the time of Walter's marriage.
If it is the right man...... ???
Sue
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Yes, Auburn was still a dairy district in the 1930s ... so it is possible ... but I have NOT yet found Edward REES on any NSW electoral roll, so I am still searching ...
no Walter REES birth on NSW BDM either... and that is a bigger concern !
JM
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Sands Sydney 1890 TRADE Directory includes the heading 'Farmers' ...
NONE with surname Rees
but plenty of farmers actually listed ... including Clapham Road, Auburn; Chisholm Road Auburn; and Dairies ... well there were listings under that 'Dairykeeper' heading for errr ... Sydney CBD ... I do have oral history of one of my Grandfathers leading bullocks down George Street Sydney in the 1920s to Circular Quay to be sent by sea to family in Port Macquarie ... George St is the main thoroughfare in Sydney CBD. - sorry for sidetrack.
JM
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Walter appears on the 1911 census at Hull, but i can't see him in 1901 - so presumably he arrived between 1901 and 1904.
As majm says, he doesn't seem to be registered under the name Walter REES in NSW with father Edward.
There is an item in the Hull Daily Mail about Walter in 1926 where his age is given as 45, so the dob 1883 could be somewhat flexible. (Brian - If you haven't seen the article I'm happy to attach it :) Also death notice in 1940 - though unfortunately it doesn't mention where he was born, and death notices of his children George, 1928 and Dorothy, 1947.)
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Walters full birthdate is given on the 1939 register which may help in tracing his birth in Australia.
Details being sent by pm as 1939 details cannot be posted here
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Hi All,
One of the features of the current NSW BDM online indexes is that you can actually search using just one piece of information ... for example a date of birth ... Anyway, there is a Walter GREAVES with parents Edward and Caroline, birth registered Burwood (a suburb of Sydney) Birth registration reference 4937/1882 and that Walter's dob is 19 November 1882.
If you were to order the official transcription of that birth cert you would learn about Walter, and about both his parents, including the then age of the parents, where they were born, married etc. Edward and Caroline had a number of children, (this Walter had older and younger siblings) and I am NOT SURE if GREAVES family are actually connected in any way to Walter REES.
https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history-research/family-history-research-nsw.aspx
Official Transcription Agent (there are three, all are excellent) you get a pdf document as email attachment, and it is already transcribed :) by experienced people who have years of 'practice' transcribing the longhand scribble from those 19th century NSW BDM clerks :) https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history-research/family-history-search.aspx
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Sands Sydney directory 1892
Edward Greaves, East side of Holborrow Street, Ashfield (a suburb near Burwood) He an Iron Worker.
JM
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An infant death in 1883 :'(
Walter GREAVES, parents as Edward and Caroline, registered Canterbury (again, a suburb of Sydney).
#2751/1883
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111025693 Evening News 8 Aug 1883. :'(
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Edward and Caroline's 1878 marriage January 1878
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13408482 SMH 25 Feb 1878 - both of England. Caroline arrived aged 17 per the Samuel Plimsoll. http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4799&ship=Samuel%20Plimsoll%20[1] (page 5, Single Women)
JM
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Details on Marriage Certificate.
Walter Rees
REES Walter JACKSON Lillian St John (Newington) Hull HR/6/431
Status Date 3rd September 1904
Groom Age 22 B Address 4 Waverley Terrace Massey Street Occ Fisherman
Bride Age 20 S Address “ Occ
Father Groom Name Edward Rees ( Deceased ) Occ Farmer
Father Bride Name George Jackson ( Deceased ) Occ Coachman
Witness Name's William Asbourne Maria Jackson
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Hi all Thanks for your Help it appears that Walter's Dob was 19 November 1882 this is on the 1939 Register.
Hope this helps Brian.
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So, given that date of birth, there is a Walter RICE registered at Newton (Sydney) with parents Walter and Lelia G. On my phone at the moment, so will do some more research later. :)
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Opening post shows father was Edward on the 1904 marriage cert
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Opening post shows father was Edward on the 1904 marriage cert
Yes, I realise that. However there are is no Walter REES registered in NSW with father Edward, so something must be amiss.
However ... looking further, I see a death notice for Lelia RICE in 1934 which names children Walter (living in Banksia), Geraldine and Daphne - so not Brian's Walter. :'(
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28022605
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Hi all I put in a post that he married at St Barnabas Church Hull
In Fact it was £rd September 1904 St John's Church Newington Hull.
Sorry about that
Brian