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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: daisy3 on Wednesday 10 July 19 21:48 BST (UK)
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Looking again for some advice, after searching for years for a maiden name for my Great Grandmother I think I have possibly found her, Mary Campbell nee Hinfey. I know the family lived in Waterloo St in 1885' and have now found a death on the Irish Genealogy site for a Mary Campbell of Waterloo St in 1891.Apparently there was an inquest held and my question is how would I find that information. My hope is that it can verify a maiden name, also her husbands name, and hopefully any other nugget of information. Any advice would be most welcome.
Regards Daisy
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No Campbells 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/No__4_Urban__West_Ward/Waterloo_Street/
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The only Registered Death is for someone in Wellington St
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/No__4_Urban__West_Ward/Wellington_Street/
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Yes that is the correct one.
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Sorry our posts crossed, the Mary Campbell in the 1901 census is not my Mary Campbell or her family. she was born circa 1820, the death registration is the one that I am interested in.
Daisy
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No, she was dead!
Is the husband on Census?
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There is a report of the inquest in the Londonderry Sentinel, 5 June 1891. Says that Mary's husband was James Campbell.
Unfortunately I don't have full access. It's available on BNA (register for three free page views)
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/account/register
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So, is James in Wellington St on Census?
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A search like this might find his death if not on Census.... adjust years if he is!
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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So, is James in Wellington St on Census?
I was hoping you would tell us that! I think the gist of James's testimony was that he was living apart from Mary.
A quote from the free text "He last saw her alive about twelve mouths ago"
So maybe not!
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So could have died anywhere...
Could have been anywhere if alive in 1901.
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Apologies to you both for not replying sooner but I have been trying to find the newspaper account of the inquest, I will keep plugging away at it, the date you gave was the 5Th June, but as far as I can see you can't access that page, obviously you can as you have managed to do it. I have found a couple of James Campbell's death registrations, but without a maiden name for his wife it's hard to tie in. Thank you both for your input it has been most helpful.
Regards Daisy
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Did I say 5th? Sorry, it was the 4th :-[
I've got hold of the article, and tidied up the OCR text
SUDDEN DEATH IN DERRY
Yesterday Mr. Thomas Lindsay, city coroner, held an inquest at 70, Wellington street, touching the cause of death of Mary Campbell, aged 70, who died on Sunday morning after a brief illness. A competent jury, of which Mr. John O'Donnell was foreman, assisted the coroner.
The first witness examined was James Campbell, husband of deceased, who said he had not been living with her for nine years. He last saw her alive about twelve months ago. He heard she was ill about three weeks ago, but did not go to see her, as he knew she would not let him in. He objected to her tossing cups and telling fortunes. He heard she had got a sum of money from Fannet a short time ago. He was sent for on Monday, but she was then dead.
Cormick M'Ginley, Fahan street, said he sat with the deceased all night on Friday night, and also on Sunday night, She died on Monday morning about four o'clock. When she died witness, his son, Lizzie Curran, and Margaret Shiels were present. Before she died deceased signed to witness about some money, and he got £2 of silver in a purse in the bed, which was all the money she had.
Bridget Villier said she knew deceased, who was in the habit of lending money and charging interest on it. Witness had borrowed £5, out of which £1 was stopped as interest.
The Coroner—Big interest, bad security.
Witness (continuing) said the deceased always stopped the interest out of the principal, and she had paid back all the £5 except 14s.
Dr. Craig, who had made an external examination of the body, gave it his opinion that death resulted from chronic bronchitis, and a verdict was returned accordingly.
A follow up story on the 11th
Cormac M'Ginley was charged with the larceny of £16 17s 3d, the property of the representatives of the late Mary Campbell, or Meenan.
John
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That follow up is also in the Belfast Newsletter, 11 August 1891
Alleged Robbery of a Dead Woman
and similarly in the Northern Whig
(here is the first part of it)
ALLEGED ROBBERY FROM A DEAD WOMAN.
Londonderry, Monday.
At Derry Petty Sessions to-day, before Mr. Aaron Baxter, mayor, and other magistrates, a man named Cormick M'Ginley was charged at the suit of the Queen by District-Inspector Foley with stealing £16 odd in gold from the house of Mary Meenan, or Campbell, in Wellington Street, after her death on the 1st June last. There were peculiar circumstances in the case, which was heard at length by the magistrates. An inquest had been held on the body of the woman Mrs. Campbell, and M'Ginley was then accused of taking the money, but there was no evidence in support of the charge, and the coroner considered it beyond the scope of his inquiry. Lately, however, M'Ginley, who was known to be always a very poor man, was arrested by the police for being drunk on the public street, and on being searched a sum of £16 in gold and 7s 3d in silver and coppers was found upon him. The police impounded the money, and sought for evidence to support the charge of larceny which had just been made. A large number of witnesses were examined. In the course of the evidence the following facts were disclosed :—
The deceased, Mary Meenan, or Campbell, lived in a tenement house in Wellington Street, where she carried on a peculiar business. She was known as a fortune-teller, her mode of divination being by " tossing tea-cups." She also lent money out at interest. She had reared a boy, who was son to Cormick M'Ginley, the accused, and the latter was sometimes employed by her to do jobs for her. The woman was reputed to be rich, and to have always preferred gold bank notes....
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Later...
Derry Journal, Monday 26 October 1891
City of Derry Quarter Sessions
No Bill.
In the case of Cormac M'Ginley for robbing a dead woman the Grand Jury found no bill, and the prisoner was discharged, the money (£16) found in his possession being returned to him.
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Thank you Jon for the information, it makes fascinating reading, I am half hoping she is my Gr grandmother, she sounds quite a lady. I noticed that there was reference to Mary Campbell/Meenan, do you think this was possibly her maiden name, or one she had acquired lets say, I wondered if her actual death certificate would give her parents names. My Mary Hinfey was married to James Campbell in Magherafelt and their child Thomas was born in 1842, I can find no further children for them, I am hoping to find a James, or at least another sibling to Thomas, but so far nothing.
Thanks once again for your help it is most appreciated.
Regards Daisy
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Magherafelt https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0230
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https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632614#page/26/mode/1up didn't see Thomas!
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Hi Hallmark, yes I found Thomas. Jacobi campbell, Maria Hinfey 1842. I wonder if you could possibly look at the irish genealogy site and verify something for me. Its the death of James Campbell October 1890 Londonderry age 39, there is a correction in the margin as to his birth date, I am reading it as age at death 39 but originally entered as 45. He would have been the son of Mary. Thank you for your interest it is much appreciated.
Daisy
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06089/4737422.pdf
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Mary, his Widow made a Statutory Declaration that he was 39 and not 45
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Thanks Hallmark, there has always been that area of doubt, but as the widow confirmed his age there is no disputing it. I will keep plugging away, thank you once again, it has all been most informative.
Regards Daisy
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I noticed that there was reference to Mary Campbell/Meenan, do you think this was possibly her maiden name, or one she had acquired lets say
Hi
I'm afraid that the reports do not say how she acquired the Meenan name. But we do know that her husband was James Campbell. So presumably not by marriage!
I looked for a burial in the new Derry City Cemetery database, but didn't find one.
The report in the Sentinel on the 11 August is interesting, reporting the testimony of some of the witnesses in more detail. And it mentions Paddy M'Ginley as being the son of the prisoner.
John
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Thanks Jon, at this moment i am trying to gather as much information as possible, the story so far is my gr grandfather James Campbells parents were a James and Mary Campbell. James Jnr was born in Magherafelt 1851, information received from the city cemetery, no maiden name for the mother. cannot find a birth for him. James Jnr and his wife lived in Wellington St in 1885, at the birth of their daughter there was a Mary Campbell in attendance also of wellington St . I have done Ancestry dna and there is a distant connection to a Mary Hinfey married to a James Campbell 1841 Ballmaguigan Magherafelt. they had a child Thomas in 1842. Family lore is that the senior Campbells lived in Londonderry and had some kind of business. As you can see without a maiden name for Mary its all conjecture. I have been searching for a birth for James Jnr both in Londonderry and Magherafelt for so long now with no success, i do know that he was married at the long tower in 1868. as you can see i am exploring all possibilities. Thanks once again for your interest, i will look into your last post.
A very grateful Daisy
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So....
have you checked Deaths, Londonderry for James Campbell
have you checked Deaths, Londonderry for Mary Campbell
within year ranges
noting those with addresses there? noting informants etc
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i do know that he was married at the long tower in 1868.
Why not post Links to things being referred to?
I presume long tower is in Londonderry
Marriage of JAMES CAMPBELL and MARY MCALEER on 05 February 1868
Group Registration ID 2995577
SR District/Reg Area Londonderry
might be him.
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You found Thomas. Jacobi campbell, Maria Hinfey 1842.... in the register posted?? date??
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MIGHT be him....
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1868/11447/8205166.pdf
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Hi Hallmark i apologise if i didn't made myself clear, marriage for Mary Hinfey to James Campbell Magherafelt parish records 27/4/1841 page 89
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Birth for Thomas, same records 4/11/1842 page29
The marriage of James Campbell Jnr is indeed the correct one, i understood the Long tower church was quite well known, and as you suggested i am already in the process of revisiting the deaths once again just in case i find anything. Thank you once again.
Daisy