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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Jill Eaton on Thursday 11 July 19 13:37 BST (UK)
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I've found these two ladies on the 1871 census on Ancestry and also the Genealogist.
Mary Lane born 1821 Head Cork, Ireland Head Laundress
Anne Lane born 1846 Daughter Southwark Barmaid
Living at 12 Stevens Street, Bermondsey RG10/0632/F?
I can't find them on any other census.
Many thanks to anyone who tries to find them,
Jill
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Is there any particular reason why you have singled them out?
the age(s) dont look particularly kosher.
The "mother" would have been 15y in 1846.
is there another record of any kind relating to one/other of these women?
Pauline
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The "mother" would have been 15y in 1846.
She would have been 25 :) 46-21.
Stan
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Have you looked in the area for a remarriage/death for Mary & a marriage for Ann?
Have you found the birth of Ann & her fathers' details to compare on any possible marriage found?
Annie
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In 1851 Mary was in Bermondsey, aged 30 and working as a charwoman, on Grange road, with son John, aged 11. Any help?
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Anne's birth could be: Camberwell Vol 4 Page 80, Q1 1845 which gives a MMN of Davis. There is no obvious marriage for Lane = Davis in the GRO though.
Liz
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Could she (Mary)have moved to Whitechapel by 1881?
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Anne's birth could be: Camberwell Vol 4 Page 80, Q1 1845 which gives a MMN of Davis. There is no obvious marriage for Lane = Davis in the GRO though.
Liz
I found this too Liz and couldn't find a marriage. it's just possible that since Mary came from Ireland she married there too. Also, describing yourself as a "widow" can explain why there is no man around.
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I did also try searching irishgenealogy.ie but couldn't find a Davis = Lane marriage - but it's too early for GR in Ireland and parish records are not necessarily as complete as we might hope.
The only reason i suspected she had actually been married was that the GRO index gives Davis as the maiden name of Anne's mother.
Liz
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In 1851 Mary was in Bermondsey, aged 30 and working as a charwoman, on Grange road, with son John, aged 11. Any help?
All help is always appreciated. I do wonder where the daughter Anne is though?
I looked on the GRO indexes as they give the mothers surname and there is no John Lane born in the Southwark/Bermondsey ifrom 1838 to 1842 area with MMN as Davis.
This, I find is where the census is so much more helpful as a first resort than births and marriages. They at least give an indication of people's movements over 10 year periods
Charwoman, then launderess, for a widow with children certainly sounds like it's the same woman on the 1851/1871 census'
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In 1851 Mary was in Bermondsey, aged 30 and working as a charwoman, on Grange road, with son John, aged 11
This John has MMN of Hockley ... which means that either he or Anne's birth could be: Camberwell Vol 4 Page 80, Q1 1845 which gives a MMN of Davis.
Anne are the wrong one - unless the MMN is wrong!
Also, where was Anne in 1851 - she'd have been 5?
Liz
ADDED - sorry posts crossed
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I have found a family in 1851 of Lanes ...
HO107/1584 in Deptford, Ann (born Bermondsey 1842) is listed as a neice of John and Mary Lane who are both from Ireland and born 1821 - maybe her?
Liz
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Probably the same Ann Lane is a servant at the Queens Head, Great Tower St, parish of St Dunstans in the East
Again b c1842 in Bermondsey
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HO107/1584 in Deptford, Ann (born Bermondsey 1842) is listed as a neice of John and Mary Lane who are both from Ireland and born 1821 - maybe her?
This Mary's maiden name is Roach - both their children, Margaret and John, appear in GRO as expected.
Yes, Mabel - looks likely ;D
Liz
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I'd also found the Ann Lane as a servant at the Queen's Head, but that seemed but one of several possibilities in that census.
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Huge thankyou to everyone who helped find these ladies. I'd just like to explain my interest in them.
I'm working on a possible connection to my gt grandmother Mary Ann Lane. Born in the Union workhouse at St John Horsleydown to a Hannah Lane in 1871, she was illegitimate and the Metropolitan Archives have no extant records covering this year for this workhouse. She spent all her life in the Southwark area. She is missing on the 1881 census and is married by the 1891 census. I can find no convincing baptismal record for her.
Hannah, her mother, is a mystery. I have no way of identifying her so I'm having to take a lot of speculative long-shots starting with women who would be of child-bearing age in 1871 who were living reasonably close to Mary-Anne's place of birth and trying to work backwards and forwards from that year to see if I can identify a possible candidate. if I do find a possible I look on my DNA matches for any males living in the Southwark region in the correct year. Then I check whether any of my other matches share that same surname. It's been suggested that Hannah might be of Irish decent. I do know from my Irish ancestors that first names tended to be interchangeable - Hannah/Anne/Anna., even Johanna.
I have one tentative connection from one of my DNA matches. There tree and mine share no surnames but their family did come from Bermondsey and were licensed victuallers so women with the surname Lane working in a pub is of interest.
This may be of absolutely no consequence whatsover but I'm having to try some very unorthodox methods now as I've run out of other ideas. I thought DNA testing would help....so far, not really.
Again, thanks for all the replies. They've given me some areas to research.