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Title: Submarine enquiry
Post by: tallie123 on Thursday 11 July 19 20:23 BST (UK)
Trying to find information about John (jack) Edward taylor who survived a submarine disaster and used Davis apparatus to escape. Period may have been 1918 to 1938. We have his birth details only.  Where can we find more information
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: GrahamSimons on Thursday 11 July 19 22:24 BST (UK)
Here is a starting point

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/royal-navy-ratings-after-1918/
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: tonepad on Thursday 11 July 19 22:34 BST (UK)
Assuming your man was in the Royal Navy, the Davis Apparatus was adopted by the RN in 1929:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis_Submerged_Escape_Apparatus


Tony
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: tonepad on Friday 12 July 19 06:31 BST (UK)
Was your J E Taylor born 24 Aug 1904, Hendon, London?


Tony
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: tallie123 on Friday 12 July 19 08:43 BST (UK)
Hi Tony

yes this is him born in Hendon 1904.  We know however he lied about his age when he first joined the Royal Navy so the birth date on his navy records will be wrong.  He was hospitalized with a burst lung due to the accident and we are assuming this took place between 1929 and 1941.  He went on to join merchant navy during WW11.
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 12 July 19 09:20 BST (UK)
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He was hospitalized with a burst lung due to the accident and we are assuming this took place between 1929 and 1941.


He was invalided out of the Royal Navy in June 1934 with fibrosis of the lungs.
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: tonepad on Friday 12 July 19 09:22 BST (UK)
There is a RN Service Record for him on Ancestry:

First Service Date:   16 Jan 1929
First Ship Served On:   Cyclops (L26)
Last Service Date:   20 Jun 1934
Last Ship Served On:   Pembroke 1
Service Number:   J. 98655

Some of the ships he served on are associated with submarines.

No mention of submarine escape on the record!


Tony

Added:

Just the "Fibrosis of lungs" as mentioned by ShaunJ
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: tonepad on Friday 12 July 19 09:34 BST (UK)
The discharge on his RN Record is:

20 June 34

Shore, Invalided.
P. U. N. S.
(Fibrosis of Lungs)

P.U.N.S. - Permanently unfit for navy service


Tony
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 12 July 19 09:49 BST (UK)
I believe there were only 4 British submarine losses in the 1929-1934 period:

H47 in 1929 - 3 survivors - but he's not on the crew list on https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?416

Poseidon in 1931 - there is no indication that he served on this sub and he's not on the survivors list published in the South China Morning Post https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/article/1232925/126-feet-under

M2 and H42  in 1932 - both lost with all hands
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: tallie123 on Friday 12 July 19 09:57 BST (UK)
This is amazing.  If you look up HMS L26 there was an explosion at Campbeltown, Scotland. 10 crew survived.  He always talked about a chlorine gas explosion.  However he died in 1985 so fibrosis of the lungs is maybe not what he actually had!  He re-entered the merchant navy as an electrician during WW11 so again he can't have been permenently discharged.  He may have lied again about his health.  we know he lost a lung in the accident.  is there any way of finding out the survivors names from the above incident??
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: tallie123 on Friday 12 July 19 11:20 BST (UK)
How do i get hold of service record J98655? 
Title: Re: Submarine enquiry
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 12 July 19 11:39 BST (UK)
Looking at newspaper reports of the L26 explosion in October 1933, one of the badly injured survivors was named Taylor but he was Henry Taylor, a stoker first class, who suffered a broken ankle and was airlifted to hospital in Glasgow.

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How do i get hold of service record J98655?

It's on Ancestry. You can also buy it from National archives for £3.50, or view a watermarked image for free:
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14848144

 
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He re-entered the merchant navy as an electrician during WW11 so again he can't have been permenently discharged


The merchant navy is not the Royal Navy.