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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Winston55 on Thursday 18 July 19 11:15 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know which regiment was at Chattam Barracks in 1841. I have William Carrol being there then but it doesn't say anything but Chattam Barracks.
Thanks
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Royal Marines :-\
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Marine_Barracks,_Chatham
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Thank you
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There were a lot more than Royal Marines stationed in Chatham where there wer a number of different barracks. In 1841it was the depot of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 9th, 17th, 18th, 21st, 22nd, 26th, 28th, 33rd and another 13 Regiments of Foot. There would have been small numbers of men from all of those there.
MaxD
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Off topic I know, but MaxD might you know who was there in early 1814? Thanks.
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MaxD,
Thanks for that.
I'd trawled the Census sheets having spotted "officers (no rank)" with a number alongside on the margin. Checking these officers (newspapers/London Gazette) it transpired these numbers were their regiments - and I'd started compiling a list.
Out of interest - what was the "Provisional Regiment"?
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Josey
Just cribbing from newspapers of 1814 - mentions of the West Kent Militia, 50th Foot, South Lincs Militia, 2nd Royal Veteran Battalion. Can't say that will be a comprehensive list though. If you have a particular regiment in your sights then a check in the revers direction so to speak may find something.
Hanes teulu
Provisional battalions (not heard Regiment) were battalions in the making, made up of odds and sods that eventually would form a battalion of some regiment or another.
MaxD
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Hanes teulu has picked up an interesting key to the regiments enumerated at Chatham Barracks in 1841. William Carroll is in a contingent that is enumerated under an officer named Mitchell G Sparkes. He was in 49th Foot and it is possible to make out '49' next to his name. This strongly suggests that William Carroll was with the depot battalion of 49th.
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Your eagle eyes again ShaunJ - respect.
MaxD
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Thanks MaxD, thinking perhaps of 87th & searching for birthplace & parents of Philip Murray said to have been born in Senzy or Penzy - not yet identified - near Chatham in Feb 1814 [see name interests]. A long standing brick wall with which I have bored rootschatters for some years!! Using your advice, seems 87th were in Orthez & Toulouse about that time but Philip was from [Killeen, Borrisokane] Tipperary where I have read 87th were raised. Both Philip & his son enlisted in the 87th so I wondered if Philip's father did too. His father may have been in transit at Chatham for some Napoleonic destination when Philip was born, so many regiments in the frame. Probably means that his father was sergeant or above for his wife to have been with the regiment.
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MaxD,
Thanks for correcting my error - it is "Provisional Battalion", not Regiment. The Naval & Military Gazette, 3 July 1841, carries a report explaining the low numbers parading at a military review at Chatham Garrison resulted from "800 of the Provisional Battalion embarking for Hong Kong that morning".
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FindMyPast has a number of Army records for a William Carroll of the 49th.
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Hi everyone,
I'm not sure how old this thread as I'm still learning how to use this site, so apologies in advance if I do something wrong.
I was just wondering how one would start finding out about a relative who was stationed at the Chatham Barracks all the way back in 1837 and probably a bit of time prior to that?
Im honestly running out places to look and would really appreciate any points or hints please!
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I am sure the Royal Engineers Depot was at Chatham as well. I recollect visiting the RE Museum in that area, many years ago.
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There were a lot more than Royal Marines stationed in Chatham where there wer a number of different barracks. In 1841it was the depot of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 9th, 17th, 18th, 21st, 22nd, 26th, 28th, 33rd and another 13 Regiments of Foot. There would have been small numbers of men from all of those there.
MaxD
I know it's been a while since the above response was posted, but I'm hoping someone can help me out. I'm trying to find a reliable online source showing the locations of the 33rd Regiment of Foot between 1826-1845. I've sniffed around at links on other RootsChat threads about the 33rd, but haven't found anything other than a rough sketch or links that are broken. Thanks!
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Hi tamlen,
I can't provide details for the early part of the period you asked about but for the majority of the time the Regiment was overseas.
Date Year Station Depot
30 Apr 1836 Dublin -
Jan 1837 Embarked for Gibraltar
1 Apr 1837 Gibraltar Birr
31 Mar 1838 Gibraltar Carrick on Shannon
2 Nov 1839 Gibraltar Tynemouth
29 Aug 1840 Gibraltar Chatham
2 Oct 1841 Barbados Chatham
1 Jan 1842 Barbados Chatham
1 Jan 1843 Berbice Waterford
30 Mar 1844 New Brunswick Buttevant
20 Nov 1845 New Brunswick Clomel
28 Feb 1846 New Brunswick Clomel
Afternote. Berbice is in Guyana
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I assume you've already found these two web pages: http://www.dwr.org.uk/history/1787-1899/ and http://www.dwr.org.uk/the_regiment/brief-history/
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I can add a few more locations for the 33rd Foot for the early years. Note that when a regiment is in the UK (including Ireland) there is no need for a separate depot.
1821 Armagh
1 July 1830 Jamaica Depot Burnley
1 July 1832 Portsmouth
23 Mar 1833 Weedon
24 Jan 1834 Weedon
14 Mar 1835 Haydock Lodge
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Tamlen
You originally asked for a reliable source for this information. You will find that during the nineteenth century in particular some British and Irish newspapers periodically published articles entitled Stations of the British Army. These show the world wide deployment of the Army. Helpfully an American military historian spent many years collating this information (and much else besides, including data on all major armies and navies of the world going back to about 1600, and as far forward as the mid twentieth century). His research is known as the Nafziger Orders of Battle. Google it. It's an incredible resource but it takes a while to learn how to navigate all the tables contained in it. My first response here was based on Nafziger, and the second on the British Newspaper Archive, via FindMyPast. I hope that helps answer your question.