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I have just received the death cert of Sarah Phillips 26th Mar 1923 Portsmouth one of my ancestors.
The informant on the cert was 'S.Duke daughter of deceased' . Sarah did not marry (?) so assume she had a daughter out of wedlock. I can find a birth of a Sarah Phillips Jun 1889 but not a marriage.
Can anybody help further? Would like to know more about her. Any Assistance greatly appreciated
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Sarah was 56 when she died in 1923 so born approx 1866/67
Have you found her on censuses 1891 - 1911?
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Was there an address for the informant, S Duke
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A GRO maiden name search has no Sarah Phillips birth in 1889 in the Hampshire area without a mmn. The June 1889 birth you mention was Sarah Ann mmn Jennings
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So, was S.Duke born as such i.e registered in that name? Or married in to that name?
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Does the cert say Mrs or Miss? If it just says S Duke - you don't even have a full christian name let alone a marital status
Have you read Rosie's question above re address
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The 1939 register has a Sarah Duke living in Hampshire. You may want to compare address details with the death cert although it was 16yrs after the death
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This one is interesting:
GRO BIRTHS
POPE, SARAH mmn PHILLIPS
1889 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 445
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Marriages FreeBMD
Dukes Harry Pope Portsmouth 2b 978
Pope Sarah Dukes Portsmouth 2b 978
Maureen
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1891 shows her as daughter of Alfred & Sarah. Sarah b 1867 Portsmouth
No Pope/Phillips marriage but 2 more children in 1901
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marriage was 22 Oct 1913 at St Mark's Portsmouth between Harry Dukes 25 coal labourer, father Joseph, diver, and Sarah Pope 25, father Alfred, coal labourer both of 84 Rudmore Road. One of the witnesses is Emily Pope.
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Birth reg for Emily Pope (witness at the marriage?):
POPE, EMILY CAROLINE MMN PHILLIPS
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 445
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she was baptised 16 Nov 1897, dob noted as 7 Dec 1896, at St Mark's, daughter of Alfred, carter, & Sarah of 2 Rudmure Passage.
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2 more baptisms 3 July 1894 at St Mark's
William born 29 April 1892
Sarah born 5 Jan 1879 - is this year in error, it's what shows on register? ???
children of Alfred William, labourer, & Sarah Pope of 6 Rudmore Passage
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and a burial
1 Dec 1907 Alfred Pope 43 of Rudmore Passage
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There's a copy of the death entry on ancestry. Address at death was 84 Rudmore Road. The death certificate says she was a spinster and her father was William Phillips a general labourer (deceased). Certificate confirms that S Duke (informant) was her daughter.
Added: address matches the marriage details of Sarah and Harry posted by osprey
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First, Thanks guys for all the lots of interesting information!
I looked at the 1901 census for Alfred W Pope. It shows Sarah (wife) plus Sarah daughter, Emily, and William Plus a boarder. I cannot find a Pope/Phillips marriage which I think was mentioned by CaroleW
(thanks again!) So her death was recorded under her maiden name of Phillips.
I will follow up on the Pope/Duke marriage.
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I will follow up on the Pope/Duke marriage.
Can't see another marriage pre-1889 for either Alfred or Sarah so it looks as though they were free to marry but chose not to do so
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There's a copy of the death entry on ancestry. Address at death was 84 Rudmore Road. The death certificate says she was a spinster and her father was William Phillips a general labourer (deceased). Certificate confirms that S Duke (informant) was her daughter.
Added: address matches the marriage details of Sarah and Harry posted by osprey
How was her death recorded as a spinster though 🤔
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Sarah Phillips lived as 'married' with Arthur Pope.
There was no marriage. That is why she is a spinster on the death cert.
The marriage you refer to was between Sarah (daughter) and Harry Duke.
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Ah sorry, did wonder 😆
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Does anyone know where & when Alfred Pope was born? 1891 & 1901 census states Portsmouth 1864 or 1866 but I cannot find it. There is a Alfred William Dec 1865 at Pancras? Thank You
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That Alfred William Pope possibly died in 1865
Death: POPE, ALFRED WILLIAM aged 0
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 110
birth:
POPE, ALFRED WILLIAM MMN GARWOOD
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 123
possible child of:
Dan and Amelia Pope
possible marriage:
Mar Q 1859
Bethnal Green 1c 565
Dan Pope and Amelia Garwood
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Thanks for your help, looks like a potential candidate. On the 1891 census he is 'Alfred' and on the 1901 'Alfred W'. I have not found him on a previous census either.
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Maybe the birth registered as just Alfred Pope(no middle name) ?
POPE, ALFRED MMN GOOD
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 403
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I think you might have the right man candrjm!!! ManyThanks
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No! not this one either it looks like he died as well:
possible death:
POPE, ALFRED aged 0
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 296
Info to rule him out
possible marriage for his parents:
Mar Q 1863
Portsea I 2B 471
Martha Jemima Good and Alfred Pope
Possible 1871 census (living in Somerset)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDZK-LJR
records them with another son Alfred aged 2 born Bridgewater
Birth for this Alfred:
POPE, ALFRED THOMAS MMN GOOD
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in BRIDGWATER Volume 05C Page 419
1881 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q274-NHLM (Martha J Pope)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q274-N4M1 (more of the same family on a different page)