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Title: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: Westy11 on Friday 19 July 19 15:32 BST (UK)

John COGGAR was buried 21 Sep 1694 at Sandhurst, Kent.   Recorded against John's name is the term "householder".

Whilst this may not be unusual it is the first time I have seen this and would like to understand the significance/implications please. 

Westy

Also posted to The Lighter Side https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=815949.new#new

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: mlrfn448 on Tuesday 12 November 19 14:36 GMT (UK)

I suspect it is to do whether they could vote, or not.
In some areas you had to be a householder to vote.
Unless someone has any other suggestions

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 13 November 19 02:00 GMT (UK)

Many thanks. 

Westy

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: ColC on Wednesday 13 November 19 10:42 GMT (UK)

Pre-1832

Prior to the Great Reform Act, voting was dependent on three criteria – sex, age and property. Only men over the age of 21 were allowed to vote – and only if they owned property over a certain value. It was essentially a way of making voting a rich man’s privilege, reinforced by small boroughs having more MPs than larger counties, which were predominantly inhabited by poorer workers.

Colin

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 13 November 19 13:57 GMT (UK)

Thanks Colin.

Do you think the fact that the term "Householder" was recorded on a burial record had some relevance with voting? 

Westy

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: bearkat on Wednesday 13 November 19 15:09 GMT (UK)

Maybe just a sign of his social status.

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: David Boulding on Wednesday 06 October 21 18:15 BST (UK)

I'd suggest that being a "householder" elevated the person as a person having assets. Most had nothing.

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: ColC on Wednesday 06 October 21 18:31 BST (UK)

Quote from: Westy11 on Wednesday 13 November 19 13:57 GMT (UK)

Thanks Colin.

Do you think the fact that the term "Householder" was recorded on a burial record had some relevance with voting? 

Westy

I could only guess that the person was of some means.

Colin

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: Westy11 on Wednesday 06 October 21 23:16 BST (UK)

Thanks Colin  :)
Westy

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: bikermickau on Thursday 07 October 21 04:56 BST (UK)

have you checked for a will?

Mick

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: Vance Mead on Thursday 07 October 21 05:08 BST (UK)

There's a will at Canterbury Cathedral:

Cogger, John, Sandhurst, 1694, PRC/17/78/313a,  PRC/16/329 C/4

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: youngtug on Thursday 07 October 21 07:05 BST (UK)

Has a householder he would have paid Hearth Tax.
  https://gams.uni-graz.at/context:htx

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: Westy11 on Thursday 07 October 21 07:54 BST (UK)

Quote from: Vance Mead on Thursday 07 October 21 05:08 BST (UK)

There's a will at Canterbury Cathedral:

Cogger, John, Sandhurst, 1694, PRC/17/78/313a,  PRC/16/329 C/4

Thank you so much.

Is it possible to access a copy of the Will and if so do you have a web address?

Westy

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: Vance Mead on Thursday 07 October 21 13:16 BST (UK)

Here is the web address. They can provide copies.

https://wills.canterbury-cathedral.org

As you will see, there's also an earlier will of another John Cogger of Sandhurst, from 1679/80.

Still earlier, there's a PCC will (Prerogative Court of Canterbury) for a John Cogger of Sandhurst from 1653. This one is at the National Archives. Once you have signed in you will be able to download a copy of it for free.


https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_cr=prob&_dss=range&_ro=any&_q=sandhurst+AND+%28cogger+OR+coggar%29

Title: Re: What is the significance of stating someone was a 'householder' in 1694
Post by: Westy11 on Thursday 07 October 21 14:42 BST (UK)

Many thanks Vance, Mick and Youngtug,

Westy